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heavy metal plates adjustment
Leviathan.Cycerath
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By Leviathan.Cycerath 2012-01-26 23:57:47
people aren't reading my post, so i bolded what my recommendation was. it wasn't to drop it to 150 and call it a day, but to drop it to 150 and change it to rare/ex, so NON-TRADABLE preventing people from just throwing money at a trial. This would also prevent RMT, cause if someone wants it badly enough but isn't going to put in the effort, then this can cause more RMTs to come back and i thought the idea was to discourage RMTs
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-01-26 23:59:34
If you really think that stops RMT in any way, you haven't put nearly enough thought in to this to be making suggestions.
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Leviathan.Cycerath
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By Leviathan.Cycerath 2012-01-27 00:01:37
if making it rare/ex and keeping the current system in place doesn't deter RMTs, then please let me ask you how it doesn't, cause it has prevented people from just buying Keggan's body......
edit: yes i know there's another buyable body, but you can compare people who actually do vw and put in effort for something rather then just buy the weaker one. with the current system and plates being sellable, you can't tell the difference between a good player and a player who just bought all their plates
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-27 00:05:20
do you really think RMTs are making money from voidwatch?
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-27 00:06:27
Wouldn't RMT just rather make a bunch of accounts and earn crour 24/7?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-27 00:06:53
or anything that they could actually successfully complete, yeah.
Leviathan.Cycerath
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By Leviathan.Cycerath 2012-01-27 00:07:02
yes, cause it's easy to make money from, i made 4.3M in about 2hrs doing voidwatch one day, made another 2M the next
comes down to luck though
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-01-27 00:08:28
Leviathan.Cycerath said: »if making it rare/ex and keeping the current system in place doesn't deter RMTs, then please let me ask you how it doesn't, cause it has prevented people from just buying Keggan's body......
edit: yes i know there's another buyable body, but you can compare people who actually do vw and put in effort for something rather then just buy the weaker one. with the current system and plates being sellable, you can't tell the difference between a good player and a player who just bought all their plates You can still sell alliance slots, and there have definitely been people buying Voidwatch drops.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-27 00:08:32
Leviathan.Cycerath
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By Leviathan.Cycerath 2012-01-27 00:09:42
i'd also like to note, the issue isn't RMTs making money off VW, but rather they make money off other things, then sell the money to players who are too lazy to do VW or make their own money, and then those players buy the plates, cheating the game so to speak.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-27 00:10:51
Not so much cheating the game as much as it is re-appropriating time spent on other activities, but that's another matter.
Changing plates to r/ex wouldn't come close to stemming the tide of RMT.
Leviathan.Cycerath
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By Leviathan.Cycerath 2012-01-27 00:12:32
it would take a nice chunk out of it though, with a key step in empys being rare/ex only, people wouldn't turn to throwing money at it, but would actually have to put time and effort into it
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-27 00:12:43
Personally I think a lil RMT is healthy in an online game, but that's just me.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-27 00:14:38
The people who buy 1500 plates aren't all RMT, in fact a majority probably aren't. I know three at least that simply had capped gil form the Tavnazian Safehold glitch way back when CoP was first released, and others that do cruor burning. RMTs aren't getting a major part of their market filled in by people buying heavy metal plates.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-27 00:15:44
What's the tav safehold glitch?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-27 00:17:18
You were able to buy a certain item from an NPC and sell it back for a profit. They banned very few of the people that did it, and took quite a bit to fix it.
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2012-01-27 00:18:33
They should have fired the employee that missed that instead of banning >_> that's kind of dumb..
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-27 00:18:37
Ah, interesting
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-01-27 00:21:43
Leviathan.Cycerath said: »it would take a nice chunk out of it though, with a key step in empys being rare/ex only, people wouldn't turn to throwing money at it, but would actually have to put time and effort into it You should really study economics sometime.
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-27 00:28:25
Leviathan.Cycerath said: »it would take a nice chunk out of it though, with a key step in empys being rare/ex only, people wouldn't turn to throwing money at it, but would actually have to put time and effort into it You should really study economics sometime.
Economics: the only field where the same mathematical equation can mean two entirely opposite things.
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By Gimpness 2012-01-27 00:33:25
Valefor.Prothescar said: »No they're hearing right, what they aren't hearing is how it doesn't work for the wielder and is sub-5% crit rate boost.
Don't forget not stacking with Aftermath!
wait wait wait wait waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait
so you get afterglow instead of aftermath...? Like... instead of ODD on an empyrean you get 5% crit rate on everyone but yourself? if so, that's completely ***.
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-27 00:35:38
No, it just means that only people without their own Aftermath up will benefit from your Afterglow.
So, SAM, DRG, and gimps.
YOU REALLY WANNA SPEND 600,000,000g SO GIMPS HAVE MORE C.RATE!?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-27 00:36:50
SAM should totally have their own aftermath up.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-27 00:37:42
Valefor.Prothescar said: »SAM should totally have their own aftermath up.
Okay, so Kantonotachi SAM.
By Gimpness 2012-01-27 00:37:53
still completely *** -_-
and... who plays drg without ryunohige or sam without masa or amano? (right! nobody :3)
(well, idk if amano/masa aftermath is worth it anymore with shoha? >.>)
By Gimpness 2012-01-27 00:38:29
YOU REALLY WANNA SPEND 600,000,000g SO GIMPS HAVE MORE C.RATE!?
stupid ninja edits...
of course I do. You don't?
Carbuncle.Lolserj
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2012-01-27 00:39:02
whats wrong with cheating
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By Gimpness 2012-01-27 00:39:43
Carbuncle.Lolserj said: »whats wrong with cheating
nothing, it just gets you (mostly me) banned ;_;
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Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-27 00:39:43
Last I checked, OAT polearm was still competitive with Ryunohige, especially considering Ryunohige suffer's Drakesbane's woes.
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2012-01-27 00:40:05
Carbuncle.Lolserj said: »whats wrong with cheating
nothing, it just gets you (mostly me) banned ;_;
you deserved it though
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i keep hearing rumors about then reducing or increasing heavy metal plates, and i wanna hear from the developers if they plan to make any changes to this department, 1500 seemed a bit excessive imo, i've going from over 250 stones now and only have 89 plates to show for it, and i noticed alot of people just end up buying these, but my focus in the game has never been money, and at 100k a piece it seems kinda rediculous.
even when i saw that number at first i was thinking that they might have misplaced a decimal or something. personally i'd prefer them to reduce it to 150 and just make them ex, that seems more reasonable imo. because this forces people to do VW to get them rather then "oh i can go do a bunch of FCs or use my ls bank account to upgrade my weapon before anyone else"
edit: changed the original idea from rare/ex to ex to make the items stackable.
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