[Voidwatch] Moving Loot To Treasure Pool -Denied

While probability remains the same to obtain the r/x item for each person, the probability for receiving the item is worse than a pooled (any previous end game event) reward system. This is because after each item dropped (and with the same group), your probability of receiving the item increased. Those who previously received the item were removed from the total amount of competition post-item drop. Unfortunately, our "Congrats friend, mine next time!" is invalid.

So wait, instead of everyone having a small chance to obtain something each run, LS inner circles should go back to a high chance to get their ***and ditch the rest of the members?

GG whoever suggested that.

Get a better linkshell
???
Profit

Something something it's hard to leave shitty shells.

Seriously, if you're in a ***shell, and you complain about it, and don't leave, please just aggro a bunch of mobs, delevel to whatever the lowest level is, toss your gear and storage slips, delete your character and quit XI.

I'm in favor of any system that doesn't facilitate your incessant whining over whatever item it as at <point in time> you couldn't get to drop.

And after all, if items could be pooled, you could just buy more gil to accomplish your goals.

The main change I'd make is to at least have the chest do a re-roll on your first item slot if it contains a unique item you already have.

It sucks when you do a 20 minute VW fight and get ganked out of your "first-slot" reward just because you already have the item.

And that's just on this page. I don't think you people can read.

I feel like the solution to this "problem" has already been expounded at least half a dozen times in this thread.

Suck. Less.

I trust my shell with both my own and my mules log in. I've consistently given this information to them. I'd suggest trying to form a friendship with your shell and then you'll have no problems.

VOIP is a great way to do this.

VW is shout-group friendly really. You just need to know which leaders know their ***and which yell and scream and don't even understand the basic parameters. A few names come to mind from my server, on both ends.

K, ------->

There's the door.

Repetition without a strengthening of your rational is not helpful. If you're without the means to add anything new to the (illogical) position that's been regurgitated several times in this very thread, you're nothing but clutter.

Well if people really wanted a treasure pool, but the ability to keep all their items, the system could be kept as is, so if you don't have it you get it. However, should another pop in your chest when you already have one, dialogue box with the option to put it into the treasure pool. It gives way to both sides of current system vs. treasure pool.

That's exactly what everyone is talking about wanting >_< Well, the bright people.

That's actually different than what we've been talking about. We were talking about -always- having the option to share your chest, he's saying you can only share the item if you already have it.

Oh, I didn't really read it admittedly =X just glanced over and saw some of the same points. Ty for catching that haha.

They're not going to add loot to treasure pools, so there's no point in discussing it.

They'll split waltz timers first.

;_; so mean

Something something if players could put their spoils from their own chest into the alliance treasure pool, then ev1 would complain about logs auto dropping into their inventory since the pool can only hold 10 things. 18 people, 3~4 logs per person into the alliance treasure pool...lol

Chill.

I'm just injecting a harsh dose of reality into this thread.

1.) This is like the third time they've said "no" to adding to the treasure pool for Voidwatch. People keep asking for it, they keep saying no - whether it's the right choice or not, they're sticking to their guns.

2.) Both the people on the "Voidwatch is detrimental to linkshells" and the "Linkshells are evil!" side of the discussion are inherently flawed in their logic.

a.) Yes, in the past linkshell leaders abusing linkshell members for major upgrades (Relics, mythics, whatever) while leaving a "trail of minor goodies" to keep people happy not only happened, but I'd say it was actually a quite common occurence back in the "Kings, Dyna, and Sea! Oh my!" days. The people who engaged in such linkshell abuse were often highly manipulative and underhanded and were able to get away with it by recruiting very trusting people and then turning them against each other when necessary to make themselves look better. Over time however, these practices have waned due to the strengthening of the online FFXI community causing reputation to extend way past individual servers. Still, when you break the spirits of trusting people, you end up with paranoid people, so it's understandable that people would have concerns about linkshell-oriented content, especially after Abyssean content made high-end gear so easily obtainable by small mutually-supportive groups.

b.) While Voidwatch doesn't allow us to filter items to those who might need them the most, there are a lot of drops from these NMs, including a lot of money-makers. Additionally, despite being "do-able" in a PUG, experienced linkshells of players who are used to playing together, in my opinion anyway, do it much more effectively and efficiently because everyone has the appropriate atmacites, periapts etc, and people know what roles they should fill as well as communicate more efficiently. But this is really the same thing as Abyssea, where you could theoretically do your Ukonvasara with PUGs, but you're going to have a lot more success with a dedicated group. As such, despite the somewhat convoluted loot distribution system, I'd rather do it with a linkshell that knows what the *** is going on than a PUG any day.

I feel like if they just didn't make ***appear in your chest in the case of a drop you already have, or re-rolled for a different "high-tier" item if you got a rare item you already have in your first slot, there'd be a lot less whining.

Yeah I've not seen any response on the SE forum where they replied to this request. Not sure what it would entail programming-wise, but it seems if they are so anti "add a drop to a general pool" this would be the next logical step.

lol @ linkshells are evil XD

I'd be happy with just one person in the alliance being able to add one item to the treasure pool.

yes, because allowing one person to add items to a pool was the bestest thing ever....didnt we learn something in Abyssea?


content become harder? want to make fight shorter? How bout 15 mins to fight it ;}

Have you ever done voidwatch before? Allowing someone to put their mule's 5th mextli harness into the pool isn't even close to abyssea chests.


Admittedly the biggest problem with Voidwatch aside from the asinine drop system is the ridiculous proc system that shouldn't even exist.