[Dev] Voidwatch: Response To Feedback
|
[Dev] Voidwatch: Response to Feedback
Bodies are fine to try for, but anyone seriously trying to get an HQ weapon is facing odds that are probably similar to winning a high rank mog bonanza prize. I think anyone who puts in enough time will eventually end up with a body, I think you have a low chance of getting an HQ weapon through regular VW spam for an entire year. I don't see why they made the drop rates on them so obscenely low, none of them are game breaking or anything, dagger is a decent upgrade sure, but it's going to be less time investment to make a 95 mandau+twashtar more than likely before you get a coruscanti.
Carbuncle.Kerokun said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Carbuncle.Kerokun said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » I don't know about carby, but it seems like every gimp on levi has a mekira and a hekas, except for anyone I know. And heavy metal plates is hardly a good way of making gil for a relic or mythic...I've gotten 4 total and I'm 600 alexandrite away from 30,000 :< VW is still ***. Maybe you need to gimp out a little before you get your Mekira. D: For srs, random number generator chooses who it wants. No ***, random number generator. I bet I can make more gil faster than you make gil from heavy metal plates too. As I said before, I can make gil faster than VW. It's hardly decent money. Carbuncle.Kerokun said: » With the idea of re-doing previous endgame like Dynamis and giving new purpose to relics and mythics Carbuncle.Kerokun said: » Actually, I think it's more of a throwback to how it used to be before Abyssea. You rarely got gear. I actually get far more gear than I used to back at 75 via VW, but the sheer randomness of it makes it nearly impossible to guarantee yourself a drop you are after without extreme amounts of hours wasted. Overall it does provide more drops than old content, the RNG based drop system combined with the inability to distribute your loot among people is what truly *** voidwatch.
I do Qilin because getting Lux Pugio is supposed to be faster than finishing this stupid trial dagger.
However I'm 0/24~ on it, got Curaga V my first time (how inspiring), and 5 Houyi's Gorgets in a row (but none other than that). Apparently going 1/2 on Heka's Kalasiris with RDM as my only "main" mage job did eat all my luck, and it wasn't just a theory. 0/24 is nothing. You really can't complain about not getting even the common drops until you reach 100+. It probably took me 120 or so until I got my lux pugio, don't really remember.
I'm about 0/73 on Lux Pugio, but 1/single digits on supposed "rare" items. Random VW is Random.
Still dunno why people keep bringing up the past when comparing things to present day XI. I think everyone here realizes that the old system was archaic, painful and designed to facilitate RMT/3rd party behavior yet that somehow gives Voidwatch a pass to be slightly better and therefore be dubbed a successful improvement? The stockholm's responses that come from some people...
It's 2012 and there is little excuse for the 'well its an MMO' card. There are superior ways to build timesinks and none of them include this random drops to infinity. Voidwatch has become the only thing worth doing in XI (if you already cleared Abyssea) and the system is designed to frustrate people into quitting the game. Apparently the bottom line doesn't matter and as usual SE can't tell when something is a potential powder keg waiting to explode but no worries, they'll deliver those improvements once things cross the point of no return and they declare themselves visionaries. There are so many ways SE could drag this system out to span the 3~ months they need to hammer out a new patch yet instead of doing something it's back to the Tanaka responses of 'yeah.. maybe we'll do this' which means 9 months later you'll get a minor tweak. Relic/Emp/Mythic trials are still under testing why exactly? It's been nearly a month since the last patch. Just release them so everyone can see 250 wardens, 750 riftdross/cinder and 100 ADLs so the rage can simmer to the surface. SE some time from now said: 'We've eased the requirements of these trials due to player input on the topic however we did not want to undercut the massive undertaking of completing these powerful weapons.' Point systems, 'add to pool' (who cares if people merc drops, big LS are dead) or even drop-trading would be improvements but SEs response is to take in the complaints and somehow arrive at the conclusion that procs need to be less important (cause white !! didn't annihilate any strategic value procs had), temps need to be adjusted (because the newest top tier mobs don't need temps to avoid oneshots) and drops need to be destroyed (because everyone will empty the loot box to speed up runs). You can't make up this level of incompetence. And then there's the whole WoE thing that no one does outside JP time cause the loot is pretty uninspiring.
[+]
I feel the success of Voidwatch is in the fact that it makes shout groups work. If they make the drops "poolable" everyone will get what they want faster, and the need to do it with shout groups will be nill. I'm not saying I don't hate the sickeningly bad drops and wish I could get all the items magically right away.... I'm just saying I understand that the system works. I understand that if they "fix" voidwatch it'll kill the event faster. Then those retards will have to write actual content again faster.
Fupafighters said: » Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: » Fupafighters said: » Chyula said: » Quick fix to VW, Make city T4 drop metal pouch and increase single drop rate or make it can drop multiple singles. same deal to Zilart and Jueno T3. A similar drop system on Riftdross for Jeuno T6 and the upcoming Zilart T6 or whatever it'll called. As long metal drop rate is good this will give everyone an incentive to spam these fight even with the shitty body drop rate, they can even lower the body drop rate if I can come out of each fight with 3-5 metal plates. Fupafighters said: » Chyula said: » Quick fix to VW, Make city T4 drop metal pouch and increase single drop rate or make it can drop multiple singles. same deal to Zilart and Jueno T3. A similar drop system on Riftdross for Jeuno T6 and the upcoming Zilart T6 or whatever it'll called. As long metal drop rate is good this will give everyone an incentive to spam these fight even with the shitty body drop rate, they can even lower the body drop rate if I can come out of each fight with 3-5 metal plates. Fupafighters said: » Lol I guess bravura falls into apoc category, apoc < ragnarok for raw dmg. If I could I'd have both Apoc and Ragna Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Still dunno why people keep bringing up the past when comparing things to present day XI. I think everyone here realizes that the old system was archaic, painful and designed to facilitate RMT/3rd party behavior yet that somehow gives Voidwatch a pass to be slightly better and therefore be dubbed a successful improvement? The stockholm's responses that come from some people... I loved the archaic game, didn't mind aby era to much and actually enjoy voidwatch and the drop rates. I love all the QQ more though. So if I pay the big bad tanaka for a game I like to play and spend free time on, and you pay tanaka for a game you hate what disease do you have then?
[+]
Anyone who says that they enjoy the drop system in VW is deranged and needs a mental evaluation, though I would say the same to those of us who continue to pay for this garbage game.
[+]
Ragnarok.Ashman said: » I feel the success of Voidwatch is in the fact that it makes shout groups work. If they make the drops "poolable" everyone will get what they want faster, and the need to do it with shout groups will be nill. I'm not saying I don't hate the sickeningly bad drops and wish I could get all the items magically right away.... I'm just saying I understand that the system works. I understand that if they "fix" voidwatch it'll kill the event faster. Then those retards will have to write actual content again faster. it doesnt work. there should be a "Max" amount of effort 1 person should put into a single nm before he gets the drop. im saying if at 100 kills of the nm you don't get the drop. you should be able to talk to a npc and get the item for your efforts on killing the nm. i mean they can make it where everytime you kill the nm you get a token. at 100 pil tokens you turn it in to a npc and get teh armor you want. thats all.
[+]
Phoenix.Dramatica said: » Anyone who says that they enjoy the drop system in VW is deranged and needs a mental evaluation, though I would say the same to those of us who continue to pay for this garbage game. Leviathan.Phenomena said: » Ragnarok.Ashman said: » I feel the success of Voidwatch is in the fact that it makes shout groups work. If they make the drops "poolable" everyone will get what they want faster, and the need to do it with shout groups will be nill. I'm not saying I don't hate the sickeningly bad drops and wish I could get all the items magically right away.... I'm just saying I understand that the system works. I understand that if they "fix" voidwatch it'll kill the event faster. Then those retards will have to write actual content again faster. I'm not saying that I don't agree with you. I'm saying that from a game developer standpoint the "rats keep hitting the feeder bar for more". Everyone *** about the event and feels like they get less drops than everyone else. Yet when a shout for Gaunab comes up...... people jump all over that shout like they're offering *** flashes. I don't think it works in the sense of everyones happy. I think it works in the sense of keeping the sheep docile and orderly. This is 1984, we're the proles, SE is big brother and Tanaka is O'brien. Keep in line and enjoy!
[+]
Quetzalcoatl.Zagam said: » I don't get why you constantly bring up the same point over and over and over. We get it, anyone that doesn't agree with 100% of your opinion has a disease. Can you move on now? I loved the archaic game, didn't mind aby era to much and actually enjoy voidwatch and the drop rates. I love all the QQ more though. So if I pay the big bad tanaka for a game I like to play and spend free time on, and you pay tanaka for a game you hate what disease do you have then? It isn't my fault if the same point fits SEs idiotic moves repeatedly. You can give them credit for being consistent at creating frustration in their playerbase however. If you're going to defend Voidwatch as something worthy of praise then yes, I challenge you to prove that you aren't suffering from Stockholm's when the overwhelming response globally is that while the system may be 'fun' (because it isn't liquify instantly a la Abyssea) it boils down to HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE grind that becomes frustrating after mob kill #611. You can say 'Voidwatch is fun' without much repercussion but to go further and assert that this system 'provides challenge, is superior to Abyssea or tests true players' is SE apologist ***. I figured to stick around to see how bad the 99 ultimate weapon trials would be but it seems SE can't even get that done before February. Can't wait for them to punch the base in the crotch with the requirements and this coming from someone with a Daurdabla. I wanted to play FFXI for the sake of having fun w/friends but SE is doing their best to chase people off and if that's how its going to be then I have no further reason to partake in Tanaka's insanity and so I cancelled my account. I can still login via a friend if I ever feel like screwing around for a few hours in XI.
[+]
Phoenix.Dramatica said: » 0/24 is nothing. You really can't complain about not getting even the common drops until you reach 100+. It probably took me 120 or so until I got my lux pugio, don't really remember. Well, I'll be at x/100 by 2014, looking forward to it, then I can become holier-than-thou to some people Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » [ It isn't my fault if the same point fits SEs idiotic moves repeatedly. You can give them credit for being consistent at creating frustration in their playerbase however. There is no way to prove I don't have it, in your mind anyone that enjoys this game has it. Hell, I probably do, but at least I enjoy the game. You on the other hand, do have it. The difference is you're in denial. And don't feed me that bs that you'll quit, You're the type that will be here until the plug is finally pulled. Complaining every step of the way, hand in hand with runespider. And overwhelming response? anyone that's ever worked in customer service knows they get 1 positive feedback vs 10's or 100's of complaints. It's human nature to complain, some like you are more vocal then others but taking the few hundred posters that hash the exact same complaints over and over vs the many thousands of players you can't seriously think you have the OVERWHELMING majority. Bismarck.Eburo said: » Phoenix.Dramatica said: » 0/24 is nothing. You really can't complain about not getting even the common drops until you reach 100+. It probably took me 120 or so until I got my lux pugio, don't really remember. Want a laugh? Search for "owned" coruscanti's. News flash, official forums shows that that opinion is the overwhelming majority throughout the playerbase from all regions.
There is no way that you can deny that the majority of the play base isn't happy with the current voidwatch drop system and distribution. I can't even recall when I have last seen such a bad response to an FFXI system in the past. The only reason it's popular, is because it's one of very few relevant FFXI events.
[+]
Ragnarok.Ashman said: » Bismarck.Eburo said: » Phoenix.Dramatica said: » 0/24 is nothing. You really can't complain about not getting even the common drops until you reach 100+. It probably took me 120 or so until I got my lux pugio, don't really remember. Want a laugh? Search for "owned" coruscanti's. 33? :x Though the drop rates are terribad, I think the Voidwatch loot system is perfect, with the exception that we have yet to remove items from the box that we already have/don't want. (Yes I know this is coming) Phoenix.Dramatica said: » There is no way that you can deny that the majority of the play base isn't happy with the current voidwatch drop system and distribution. I can't even recall when I have last seen such a bad response to an FFXI system in the past. The only reason it's popular, is because it's one of very few relevant FFXI events. The difference between those things and VW is availability. Sky NMs had a 4-8 hour repop with a single drop. Salvage you could only go once a day. Dynamis once every three days. HNMs once a day, if you were lucky enough to get claim. We can fight 12 Pils in the span of two hours and get zilch.
[+]
People will cry until they get what they want
An event that hands out the most powerful gear in the game for little to no effort at all. I personally hope they cry for years, I like the system just as it is. Personally think we use temp items too much though, minor complaint for me.
[+]
Personally, I'm just bored of smash, proc, smash, repeat.
[+]
Voidwatch has nothing to do with effort or reward, it's simply playing the lottery and hoping you win. More people need to understand this and realize the flaws. Also everything besides HNMs was extremely obtainable within a reasonable amount of time with a lowman group. I'm excluding HNMs due to requiring good bots/manpower to have ideal claim chances. Sky, limbus, dynamis, etc. were all reasonable systems that had tangible goals that you would reach eventually without playing nearly as severe of a lottery game. You only needed 6(or less) people to efficiently farm all of them at 75 as well.
[+]
I like doing the event, rewards aren't that outstanding to make me care enough to cry about it.
I still think that adding to the already existing drop system a point based system à la Assault would be the best idea(could be based on paths, hell even on specific mobs if they want so bad for people to fight them all). Point system would be excellent, but SE is far too lazy to take the time to add something new to their system like that. The best I would hope for is them finally giving in and allowing you to distribute rare/ex drops to alliance loot pool.
[+]
Phoenix.Dramatica said: » Voidwatch has nothing to do with effort or reward, it's simply playing the lottery and hoping you win. More people need to understand this and realize the flaws. And Tikal is proving my point. There are currently more Mekira Meikogai out there then defending rings. You can spam as much as you want, voidwatch as a design is much better then any of the past time sinks. but yet still not good enough. Still not logging in and collecting the items from the moogle the day of the patch. Damn this game sucks so bad blah blah tanaka blah barance blah blah brb going to rage quit and still play for years but complain about it.
[+]
|
All FFXIV and FFXI content and images © 2002-2025 SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD.
FINAL FANTASY is a registered trademark of Square Enix Co., Ltd.