[Dev] Voidwatch: Response To Feedback
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[Dev] Voidwatch: Response to Feedback
The game is just mad we found strategy to kill this ***fast lol...so they going to nerf! I really hope that if they do nerf our temps and such, that drop rate will atleast exceed 3-5% lol.... because it won't take us 5 minutes to kill these from what I'm seeing.
Fupafighters said: » Lol are you serious? PDT MDT set... aoe shouldnt be 1 shotting you.... Phoenix.Dramatica said: » The light adjustment is great for lowman or low tier ***that dies fast. Anybody else find it funny that Camate is the moogle's name who gives us all the dev info, and if I'm not mistaken (though spelled differently I'm sure), camate means "calm down" in Spanish, yet all of the recent dev notes cause a ton of player rages? lol
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Quetzalcoatl.Zubis said: » Quote: ※With regard to battle balance, I would like to note that we do not assume that every player has the best armor, such as Aegis and Ochain, or Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapons. It is definitely advantageous to have the best gear, but we are making adjustments so that even players without the best gear are able to creatively finish all content. Given that my last three attempts to join random VW alliances have been declined since I did not have an Ukonvasara as WAR or an Ochain as PLD I like this comment best of all. The people who wanted Ukon WAR and Ochain PLD will still want them after this "adjustment" regardless. This will just allow better qeared players to deal more damage and take less, allowing for even more efficiency from the players that already had the gear to be more efficient in the first place. Although, this does allow for less optimal set-ups to clear harder content (presumably, but with SE, who knows) and can also let people run with wayyy less members when taking the insta-cap lights into consideration. On a separate note, I hope well timed procs can still turn from green to red, given the capped lights from the get go.
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Chyula said: » I think this will likely be the new adjustment to lights. 1. start battle with capped light e.g. capped 525% red and slowly droping each time you proc. 2. Cell still useful for final calculation, so you get 150% lights to play with on proc before getting the bite on your final 525% calculation. 3. the downside to this is that we have to use blue light cell too ><. 4. Player will no longer zerg during a stagger because blitz will decrease your light value. 5. if the above is true, then we'll end up trigger the mob just for refilling temp items and spam fanatic to zerg again when it is out of stagger mode. Quote: ※With regard to battle balance, I would like to note that we do not assume that every player has the best armor, such as Aegis and Ochain, or Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapons. It is definitely advantageous to have the best gear, but we are making adjustments so that even players without the best gear are able to creatively finish all content. Quote: Also, this adjustment will address the difficulty of smaller parties obtaining loot. Well, if you consider that the weapons are the rare drops in T6, I guess that yeah, droprates are pretty much the same.
Athos's, Ogier's and lolmage are hardly on par with the drop rates of the Toci's Harness or Heka's body, they're more on par with like.. the Feet from Pil, or Kaggens Belt, and the Bullet from Akvan.
Update from earlier today, sorry about the delay:
God damn, I never knew you could hate a word until they started throwing around balance everywhere ><
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creative freedom
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Quote: In order to avoid content becoming monotonous, an idea we are looking into is not completely separating weakness and loot by increasing the maximum bonus attained through cells and other ascent items. As a result, if there are few players involved, using cells will replace having to proc weakness, and for larger parties, it would be possible to avoid paying the high cost for cells by procing weakness as usual. I like this part of the post.
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Not like its hard to get cruor. Everyone will just bring cells (like most do now anyways) and just bring their strong jobs and zerg all the bosses.
I still don't understand how this fixes the problems that have been mentioned. Cap lights from start doesn't mean that the drop rates will improve (or the constant 2nd/3rd/4th drop to the same person). The proc system is fine, at this point the messages all but tell you the exact spell to cast, and as long as you understand which jobs are essential, you should always be able to cap lights anyway, even with 8~ players (except obviously on newer fights that still require a full alliance). Now that extreme stagger is in, this update seems like a step back, making VW go from an event that requires some organization/cooperation between all jobs to a free for all.
If you don't enjoy going x job to voidwatch, level something else. This isn't 5 years ago where it took 1+ month to level a job to cap. Between abyssea, gov, hell even rmt cleaves, go level something else to be useful to a vw group. These dev notes seem more like a response to butthurt that my x job doesn't have a use in VW than a fix to the problems at hand. As far as: We understand your concern that players will simply switch to their strongest jobs due to the removal of the necessity to proc weaknesses and we’re carefully planning to address this issue. I don't know who's setting up your ally, but generally people bring their strongest jobs at current anyway, so uh.... do the devs play this game at all, or throw darts at the old suggestion dart board and run with it?
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Voidwatch only has one problem, loot distribution. They're dancing around that issue.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: » Voidwatch only has one problem, loot distribution. They're dancing around that issue. Personally I have no issue with the system, but I think them avoiding the issue is starting to be insulting.
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 Reading these posts is terrible for my blood pressure.
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Siren.Kalilla said: » Update from earlier today, sorry about the delay:
Valefor.Prothescar said: » Voidwatch only has one problem, loot distribution. They're dancing around that issue. They've said that they don't believe that that's where the problem lies, so really, I'm not surprised that they're being kind of dumb with how they adjust Voidwatch. This is just another example of how the DEV team sees how they think the game should be played vs. how the players play it(take for example how they noted that players that get their gear don't need to use voidstones to fight and can still get exp / cruor rewards), and are ignoring the core problems with the system so people can play it their way. Odin.Eikechi said: » Anybody else find it funny that Camate is the moogle's name who gives us all the dev info, and if I'm not mistaken (though spelled differently I'm sure), camate means "calm down" in Spanish, yet all of the recent dev notes cause a ton of player rages? lol /trollface Here SE, let me help you.
Things that are OK with Voidwatch: -Procs -Battle depth -Battle speed -Temporary items -Drop rates -Capping lights Things that are not OK with Voidwatch: -Loot distribution
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I personally feel another big problem is the fact that once you get an item from a NM you have almost 0 incentive to go back and do that NM again. There are no additional items or points you can accrue that make it worth doing again. You can argue metal is a point but what about the lower tier NMs or why not just do a NM you need an item from that also drops metal.
Had they added a point system or some other incentive it would alleviate the problem but now as it is, people are working against each other in a way. Every time a person gets an item its one less person you have in your future shouts. I know the popular NM's this might not be so much of a problem (for now), but the lesser NM's you will be looking at an hour+ shout to fill up.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: » Here SE, let me help you. Things to ingest: -Cyanide pills --There is nothing else to ingest. Humor is such a subjective thing.
Bismarck.Sylow said: » Using Coruscanti as an example: The best estimation of the drop rate we can make is somewhere between 0.1 and 0.2%. At the best drop rate (0.2%), you'd need to fight Qilin 346 times to have a 50/50 shot at the dagger. In that time, your alliances "probably" would have seen 4 daggers. (1 in 83 qilins will drop a dagger 95% of the time) I got Coruscanti today. I haven't been counting exactly, but I've only done about 16 Qilin ^^ Leviathan.Draylo said: » I personally feel another big problem is the fact that once you get an item from a NM you have almost 0 incentive to go back and do that NM again. There are no additional items or points you can accrue that make it worth doing again. You can argue metal is a point but what about the lower tier NMs or why not just do a NM you need an item from that also drops metal. Had they added a point system or some other incentive it would alleviate the problem but now as it is, people are working against each other in a way. Every time a person gets an item its one less person you have in your future shouts. I know the popular NM's this might not be so much of a problem (for now), but the lesser NM's you will be looking at an hour+ shout to fill up. Valefor.Booster said: » Bismarck.Sylow said: » Using Coruscanti as an example: The best estimation of the drop rate we can make is somewhere between 0.1 and 0.2%. At the best drop rate (0.2%), you'd need to fight Qilin 346 times to have a 50/50 shot at the dagger. In that time, your alliances "probably" would have seen 4 daggers. (1 in 83 qilins will drop a dagger 95% of the time) I got Coruscanti today. I haven't been counting exactly, but I've only done about 16 Qilin ^^ Grats on your deep understanding of statistics.
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Update on topic today:
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