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By Sylph.Kimble 2012-01-12 14:01:28
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this thread is getting rly boring to read, people posting the same but with different words, needs to be locked
Or instead of saying it needs locked, you could post suggestions you think that would fix the system that haven't been said already.

Or you can stop reading it then.
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By Zeyphr 2012-01-12 14:10:16
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When did i say i was in a shitty ls? I was talking the whole of VW and how using that system wouldn't be smart.

Your in a ls, why would you even want to lie to your fellow members?

And even if you did get a 3rd body to drop, who's to say that person should decide who gets the item? That defeats the purpose of having leaders of a ls, other than to gather and order people to do this/that. It would also defeat the purpose of a point system tons of ls's would use because, thats right, the player would choose who gets it.

That would also lead to favourtism towards certain members which isn't good.
And even with that you still have lots of problems because it wouldn't solve the crappy players getting good gear > players who deserve it because not everyoen will give the item to someone who deserves it.
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-01-12 14:11:08
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theres been a lot of good ideas proposed but they already said they arent changing it lol thats why people hate voidwatch
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-12 14:11:27
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Sylph.Kimble said: »
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Latifah said: »
this thread is getting rly boring to read, people posting the same but with different words, needs to be locked
Or instead of saying it needs locked, you could post suggestions you think that would fix the system that haven't been said already.

Or you can stop reading it then.
Why should I stop reading it lol? because you don't agree with me?

okay...
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By Zeyphr 2012-01-12 14:12:29
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
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Latifah said: »
this thread is getting rly boring to read, people posting the same but with different words, needs to be locked
Or instead of saying it needs locked, you could post suggestions you think that would fix the system that haven't been said already.

Or you can stop reading it then.
Why should I stop reading it lol? because you don't agree with me?

okay...
I think he meant Latifah not you
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-12 14:17:17
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Idk

I think SE would implement making sure people who already have the item don't get it again. If they take that too seriously and make it so you don't get it... but don't move it to someone else's box... that's a different story.
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By Bismarck.Gaspee 2012-01-12 14:17:34
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-01-12 14:18:48
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Idk

I think SE would implement making sure people who already have the item don't get it again. If they take that too seriously and make it so you don't get it... but don't move it to someone else's box... that's a different story.

thats really not a big deal lol.. If there is no way to pass duplicates around it really doesnt matter what they do with those duplicates, hiding them from us isnt changing the fact the system is stupid
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-12 14:21:25
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I personally suggested:

  1. Making it so you can spawn a more difficult version with an item that drops of that NM, which would increase the drop rates of rare items. (like sea)

  2. Making it so you earn a point after every battle, the more you have the more likely you are to see rare items. When you get rare items your points reset for that NM and other average/rare items like single metal plates reduce it by 3 or w/e.

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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-12 14:23:37
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Could even make it that instead of making a harder version you just get temp items restricted completely, or proc's don't terror the NM.
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-01-12 14:25:31
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I really dont see them doing anything to change it no matter what kind of feedback they recieve

Siren.Kalilla said: »
Could even make it that instead of making a harder version you just get temp items restricted completely, or proc's don't terror the NM.

and that sounds horrible
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By Carbuncle.Crollion 2012-01-12 14:25:51
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God I hate this iPhone and autocorrect bs but kal states a good idea there I think do it like Ichor or something but it's se why would they
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By Latifah 2012-01-12 14:26:21
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
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this thread is getting rly boring to read, people posting the same but with different words, needs to be locked
Or instead of saying it needs locked, you could post suggestions you think that would fix the system that haven't been said already.
i have nothing to say because i like the vw system a lot
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-12 14:27:12
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Asura.Fondue said: »
I really dont see them doing anything to change it no matter what kind of feedback they recieve

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Could even make it that instead of making a harder version you just get temp items restricted completely, or proc's don't terror the NM.

and that sounds horrible
For a higher drop rate? That is what everyone is screaming for lol...
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By Asura.Tamoa 2012-01-12 14:28:06
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Idk

I think SE would implement making sure people who already have the item don't get it again. If they take that too seriously and make it so you don't get it... but don't move it to someone else's box... that's a different story.

It's not really any different from how it works currently - someone obtains their 2nd ra/ex body which is forced to disappear into the void, v/s system checks and finds that someone already have that ra/ex item, and it disappears into the void without loading in someone else's chest.

The fact that the same person can receive the same ultra-rare ra/ex item multiple times, is the single most annoying, frustrating and discouraging thing about voidwatch.

Personally I'm more in favour of an Einherjar-like ichor point system, where you know you will be rewarded in the end if you work hard enough.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-12 14:29:25
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Latifah said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Latifah said: »
this thread is getting rly boring to read, people posting the same but with different words, needs to be locked
Or instead of saying it needs locked, you could post suggestions you think that would fix the system that haven't been said already.
i have nothing to say because i like the vw system a lot
But that doesn't mean it's perfect. I love the VW system and think it is fine as it is, minor problems with it. I personally think we rely too much on temp items personally, but that's about it.

I think the system can be expanded on and enhanced to make it even more fun while giving players a better chance at getting what they want.
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-01-12 14:30:00
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have you done any of these higher ones without fulltime fanatics? lol theyre already retardedly overpowered, unless brochain paladin is the only thing that was supposed to be anywhere near the monster at all times

just a shitty system I dont enjoy and its all they keep adding to /disappointed

have not met a single person lately that after doing a reasonable amount of voidwatch to get items they want say they like the system or participating in it
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By Sylph.Kimble 2012-01-12 14:32:34
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I wasnt talking about you Kalila.
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By Latifah 2012-01-12 14:32:56
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@Kalilla

i think voidwatch is way too easy to do, it's ridiculous how people spam ws's/gain tp like crazy in a few seconds with almost infinite mp on mages because the temp items replenishing, thats why ppl can do 100-200 runs in 2 or 3 days , and because of that.. ppl think they deserve gear with a quickness
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-12 14:34:14
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Idk

I think SE would implement making sure people who already have the item don't get it again. If they take that too seriously and make it so you don't get it... but don't move it to someone else's box... that's a different story.

It's not really any different from how it works currently - someone obtains their 2nd ra/ex body which is forced to disappear into the void, v/s system checks and finds that someone already have that ra/ex item, and it disappears into the void without loading in someone else's chest.

The fact that the same person can receive the same ultra-rare ra/ex item multiple times, is the single most annoying, frustrating and discouraging thing about voidwatch.

Personally I'm more in favour of an Einherjar-like ichor point system, where you know you will be rewarded in the end if you work hard enough.
I would love an einherjar system myself, but it would have of been addded months ago. It's far too late in the system to just add a point system now I think, even though I'd like one msyelf.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-12 14:38:54
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i think voidwatch is way too easy to do, it's ridiculous how people spam ws's/gain tp like crazy in a few seconds with almost infinite mp on mages because the temp items replenishing, thats why ppl can do 100-200 runs in 2 or 3 days , and because of that.. ppl think they deserve gear with a quickness
Agree, think the temp item usage has gone out of control personally. Steal hate? Just pop fanatics and be safe until someone gets it off you.
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-01-12 14:39:23
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i think voidwatch is way too easy to do, it's ridiculous how people spam ws's/gain tp like crazy in a few seconds with almost infinite mp on mages because the temp items replenishing, thats why ppl can do 100-200 runs in 2 or 3 days , and because of that.. ppl think they deserve gear with a quickness

god forbid there be a fast paced active event in ffxi
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By Asura.Tamoa 2012-01-12 14:40:27
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i actually think voidwatch is way too easy to do, it's ridiculous how people spam ws's/gain tp like crazy in a few seconds with almost infinite mp on mages because the temp items replenishing, thats why ppl can do 100-200 runs in 2 or 3 days , and because of that.. ppl think they deserve gear with a quickness

Exaggerate much?

And yes, I see why you like the system as it is by looking at your profile page. 1/10 toci's and 1/17 heka's or something? That's damn lucky, there are a LOT of people who are 0/100+ and not to mention 0/300+ on the body they want - while they watch a friend get the body for the 3rd time.
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By Sylph.Zohnax 2012-01-12 14:40:59
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i think voidwatch is way too easy to do, it's ridiculous how people spam ws's/gain tp like crazy in a few seconds with almost infinite mp on mages because the temp items replenishing, thats why ppl can do 100-200 runs in 2 or 3 days , and because of that.. ppl think they deserve gear with a quickness
You only get how many stones stocked up? Then you have to start shelling out of pocket for them? At that point, you're essentially paying for logs, ores, and random stuff. So instead of earning anything, you're having to pay at that point for a kick in the teeth again and again and again.
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By Lakshmi.Greggles 2012-01-12 14:42:15
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I don't see how adding to pool would kill shout parties? It's not like everyone doesn't get to lot on something in the loot pool.

Quartermaster would be an issue, but I doubt that leaders would be willing to destroy their reputation by QMing something and risk not ever getting people to run other VWNMs with them.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-12 14:45:17
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I don't see how adding to pool would kill shout parties? It's not like everyone doesn't get to lot on something in the loot pool.

Quartermaster would be an issue, but I doubt that leaders would be willing to destroy their reputation by QMing something and risk not ever getting people to run other VWNMs with them.
Just would give *** the ability to steal from others. You would hear people kicking others the first week it started.

And by steal I mean kick everyone.
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By Latifah 2012-01-12 14:45:42
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Asura.Tamoa said: »
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i actually think voidwatch is way too easy to do, it's ridiculous how people spam ws's/gain tp like crazy in a few seconds with almost infinite mp on mages because the temp items replenishing, thats why ppl can do 100-200 runs in 2 or 3 days , and because of that.. ppl think they deserve gear with a quickness

Exaggerate much?

And yes, I see why you like the system as it is by looking at your profile page. 1/10 toci's and 1/17 heka's or something? That's damn lucky, there are a LOT of people who are 0/100+ and not to mention 0/300+ on the body they want - while they watch a friend get the body for the 3rd time.
nah, im about 0/70+ on Ogier body and im not complaining, i dont think i deserve it yet because i did like 20 ig-alima runs in just one night
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By Zeyphr 2012-01-12 14:46:04
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Lakshmi.Greggles said: »
I don't see how adding to pool would kill shout parties? It's not like everyone doesn't get to lot on something in the loot pool.

Quartermaster would be an issue, but I doubt that leaders would be willing to destroy their reputation by QMing something and risk not ever getting people to run other VWNMs with them.

The arguement that would bring up is mentioned a few pages back for awhile. Non deserving players that have no idea how to use the piece of gear could possibly, and will win the lot over someone who really needs the item.
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-01-12 14:47:15
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I don't see how adding to pool would kill shout parties? It's not like everyone doesn't get to lot on something in the loot pool.

Quartermaster would be an issue, but I doubt that leaders would be willing to destroy their reputation by QMing something and risk not ever getting people to run other VWNMs with them.
Just would give *** the ability to steal from others. You would hear people kicking others the first week it started.

And by steal I mean kick everyone.

form a party with the person you want to get the item and put it in the pool? lol not that complicated

or just not give a ***about a free body?
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By Lakshmi.Greggles 2012-01-12 14:47:29
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Zeyphr said: »
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I don't see how adding to pool would kill shout parties? It's not like everyone doesn't get to lot on something in the loot pool.

Quartermaster would be an issue, but I doubt that leaders would be willing to destroy their reputation by QMing something and risk not ever getting people to run other VWNMs with them.

The arguement that would bring up is mentioned a few pages back for awhile. Non deserving players that have no idea how to use the piece of gear could possibly, and will win the lot over someone who really needs the item.

And....?

The person who is "gimp" and "non deserving" has a chance to get the item in their chest anyway. At least this way if someone got the got the item while having previously obtained it, it doesn't go to waste.
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