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Asura.Karbuncle said: » Bismarck.Josiahkf said: » Even with the 100% modifier? I do believe so, the STR/ATK does wonders for your Weaponskill damage, Especially when it comes to Multi-hits (They generally possess no attack bonus/Ignore Defense like some 1-hits do) the 100%AGI Boost would be nice, but the ~12STR(???) and Attack would do more for you than the ~12AGI or so. It would be a toss up, and honest to god, You'd need to ask someone who's math comprehension goes above mine :\, But from what i understand, the higher the enemies defense, the more that STR kila is going to work for you. the STR Kila also helps your Melee Damage phase much more significantly. but on a side note know that eva tanking in double AGI kilas isnt really that bad of a thing for this ws... In practical terms, however, from the look of it, 99% of the time, we're going to be fighting EP-DC and below. Before I had to farm those seasoned stones, I couldn't remember when was the last time I even saw anything EM and higher. It's not like we're fighting VT-ITs like we were at 75. Given that, ATK isn't as useful as we'd all like it to be.
Of course, the exception is VWNM. Still, though, we should pop our red curry buns and Stalwart's tonic there, which really minimizes the benefits of any atk boost from gear. That said, I'm not too flattered with the dps of those magian daggers either. Anything above 186 delay urkes me. Bismarck.Ihina said: » Given that, ATK isn't as useful as we'd all like it to be. Do Dynamis for an hour without using +ATK food. Then use attack food. The difference is WELL beyond "lol eyeballing."
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I wouldn't do dynamis without food.
I mean, not just dynamis, but we should all have a good idea how high our atk needs to be before we see noticeable diminishing returns. The bigger picture isn't, "should I have this extra atk in this slot". The question is, "is the extra attack worth the trade-off of having a different item in the slot". If you're trying to argue the usefulness of atk food against not using atk food, then pardon me while I rest my forehead on my desk, then systematically ignore everything you say from now on because you are a moron. Pardon my French.
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Just finished Dyna - Xarc with 4/5 Excen and I must say, I'm pretty impressed with it's damage. Stacked of course. Was averaging 1.7-2.4k. Can't wait to 5/5 this.
I'm not, I'm just saying that we're not so saturated with attack on Dynamis mobs that we're not benefiting. STR/Attack Thokcha will improve the damage of every offensive melee action you take. Dagger jobs do a lot of those, just fyi. ***adds up.
It's harder to argue for slots like waist/neck where we can easily swap out, but for weapons, nothing is going to do as much as the STR/Atk magian dagger. Unless for some reason you need +22 evasion (you don't). Just a "by the way" but for DNC, remember that the more eva you have on your TP set the less you need the heal, which lets you WS more. One might parse the difference between EVA dags vs. atk dags in something like Dynamis to see which parses better without Utsu and WS as much as possible. It might add up that a DNC/WAR, DNC/SAM, or DNC/NIN might come out ahead depending on EVA or ATK dags.
Assume 90 Twash and either 95 Eva or 95 Atk Magian dag. Fenrir.Yuriki said: » Just a "by the way" but for DNC, remember that the more eva you have on your TP set the less you need the heal, which lets you WS more. Step 1.) Bring a WHM Step 2.) Profit 
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Quote: I'm just saying that we're not so saturated with attack on Dynamis mobs that we're not benefiting. Then pop food. I know I haven't said this yet...but they're EP. .... I don't see why I'm not getting to people. Is it really that difficult to understand? The majority of mobs we fight are EP, hence, their def will be relatively low, hence, we don't need much atk to get to a point where diminishing returns become apparent. If we were fighting high-end mobs and don't have access to atma/atmacite/stawarts, I'd be with you but fortunately, we do. I don't recommend chaining yourself to this medium dmg/high delay dagger. There are some pretty amazing new daggers out, should look into them. I would kind of tend to agree that Dynamis mobs appear to have higher than normal defense for their level. The amount of attack you need to reach that point may be surprisingly high. Unfortunately, we don't have access to that data at this point in time.
Don't neglect the +2 base damage that you're most likely getting from the +11 STR on Thokcha. Also, since when is 190 high delay? It is compared to ... Mandau/Twashtar, but if you have both of those, you're probably going to be using both of them. As for new daggers, nothing has looked particularly impressive. Quote: As for new daggers, nothing has looked particularly impressive. i resent that. ihina i'd like to take a moment and ask you where your avatar is from, i'd pm you but apparently i can no longer do that at the moment. as for off hand weapon: str thokcha onry, atleast until coruscanti is fixed then you can off hand coruscanti if you main hand twashtar. as for your statement about the belts: 100% agree, would prefer anguinus for higher level mobs only myself. as for dyna unless you like to hang out with the 50 bsts in the zone you really should be fighting the EM+ mobs in there anyways, drop rates for just about everything is higher on them. Alright, fine.
190 delay isn't high Dynamis mobs have so much def that proper food + proper gear won't reasonably cover it. A 37dmg/150delay dagger with +5 triple attack rate isn't amazing. Neither is a 30dmg/150 delay dagger with +10crit damage, and this dagger definitely isn't the the strongest offhand in abyssea. Oh wait. You're wrong on every account. I knew it was a mistake to continue this dialogue <___< edit: And the avatar is from a game called, "Hyperdimension Neptunia"
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I can really only recommend HQ voidwatch drops from an idealist perspective, not from a reasonability perspective.
It's kind of like telling someone to solve their financial woes by winning the lottery.
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Bismarck.Chaosprime said: » Valefor.Booster said: » Didnt stack AGI ATMA, I only had RR GH Apoc GH is a AGI atma, gives 50 AGI iirc Yeah, I didn't "Stack" as in use all the AGI ATMAs I could find lol, most career THF's know to use RR GH Apoc as a standard =P Curious though, with RR and GH would there be anything else besides Apoc that might boost Exenterator DMG? Or no? Nothing that you should be using.
Also, can you children quit the arguing *** and post some more relevant info? FFS grow up.
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Bismarck.Sylow said: » Nothing that you should be using. Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: » atleast until coruscanti is fixed then you can off hand coruscanti if you main hand twashtar. I'm worried that Coruscanti is working as intended. I have this sneaking suspicion that "Occasionally does severe damage" actually means "occasionally caps pDIF." This is of course unless someone has figured out what it's actually supposed to do (test server or something). Actually ... based on a convo with me and Sira ...
Maybe they got Coruscanti's "Occasionally deals severe damage" mixed up with Borealis's "Occasionally deals severe weaponskill damage." Coru's OQD effect seems to have stopped working on the test server around the same time the dat for Borealis appeared... Valefor.Booster said: » Bismarck.Chaosprime said: » Valefor.Booster said: » Didnt stack AGI ATMA, I only had RR GH Apoc GH is a AGI atma, gives 50 AGI iirc Yeah, I didn't "Stack" as in use all the AGI ATMAs I could find lol, most career THF's know to use RR GH Apoc as a standard =P Curious though, with RR and GH would there be anything else besides Apoc that might boost Exenterator DMG? Or no? So did i till i switched out GH for Stout Arm, now i generally do 1k more damage with each evis in Aby, so im happy Edit P.S consistent 4-5k ws on Sobek is pretty nice But yeah if im tanking (which im usually not) then i switch stout for GH, but generally i get much better results with stout :s But yeah being a AGI mod i can see GH being the better option for this WS :P Wanted to share my experience with this excellent WS. I just did max merits 5/5 and capped my dagger skill at 99 along with 6 merits in AGI. Damage without SATA was averaging from 1600-2200. With SATA, anywhere from 4.8k to 6.8k. 6.8k being my highest which I think is pretty damn impressive. This was in a merit party in Abyssea-Altepa with doll mobs (Decent challenge-tough). Razed Ruins, Gnarled Horn and Sanguine Scythe atmas with 312 total AGI using Mandau main hand. I'll try to see what results I get with this WS outside Abyssea to get more realistic results.
 Siren.Kiyara said: » Wanted to share my experience with this excellent WS. I just did max merits 5/5 and capped my dagger skill at 99 along with 6 merits in AGI. Damage without SATA was averaging from 1600-2200. With SATA, anywhere from 4.8k to 6.8k. 6.8k being my highest which I think is pretty damn impressive. This was in a merit party in Abyssea-Altepa with doll mobs (Decent challenge-tough). Razed Ruins, Gnarled Horn and Sanguine Scythe atmas with 312 total AGI using Mandau main hand. I'll try to see what results I get with this WS outside Abyssea to get more realistic results. Very nice. Any chance of seeing the full set you used? Dumb question, since most of the gear set ups are all DNC...
Loki's would be better than Denali when using SA/TA yeah? >_> "Increases crit hit damage" would say yes but thought I'd ask... And next would AGI+6 be better over Love Torque (stat mod vs dagger skill) This is what I was thinking of (unless Love Torque would be better) STR/AGI+4 WS dmg+2%/WS acc+15 augment wouldn't Houyi's gorget be better then Arctier's Torque?(even if just a slightly)
There's very little reason to use love torque ever at this point. It has not withstood the test of time. It's pretty much an argument between AGI necks and justiciar's. I would lean toward Justiciar's unstacked and AGI neck when stacked with SATA.
Still, if you have Twashtar or Mandau you may have a better option to stack. Cerberus.Ustav said: » wouldn't Houyi's gorget be better then Arctier's Torque?(even if just a slightly) Yeah but I don't have it so I'll stick with what I can get now until someone other than the BLMs get that nice weapon skill piece. (Thank you, Voidwatch :<) Also ya, Houyi's for AGI neck. Kinda forgot that ***existed, which is silly because it's all Qilin ever drops except for Coruscanti to mules and logs.
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