Exenterator

It really depends on the situation, using SA, using TA, mob, buffs you have, abyssea or not, etc. There are times when Evis outshines both mercy stroke and exenterator. Overall I've noticed exent has the most consistent damage when unstacked outside abyssea. Inside Evis almost always does better from RR. MS and Exent do better on very high def mobs.

Hate to say it but scroll back a few pages you'll see both compared a few times :)

Swap the agi earring for a ghillie +1. Skadi +1 or myrmex mitts are both upgrades to the thaumas gloves, but the thaumas should serve just fine if you can't get those. Kudzu for the body. Justicar's is your better choice vs the qilin neck. And I don't have a mandau myself yet, still a work in progress, but the way I understand it, stacked mercy > exen. Unstacked mercy < exen. I might not be completely on base with that last part.

ItemSet 283933
24STR
15DEX
51AGI
73ATT
41ACC
4DA
3TA
4CRIT

Must have missed it, read through most of the thread then skipped the last few pages sorry >.<. Was really hoping to hear mercy stroke was at least close enough to free up the ws merits, need my gs merits back at some point ^^;

I'm still confused tho, should i be shying away from DA since it is six hit? or is it still valuable?

I see from Apoptygma's post that i maybe should be using a belt that all but negates the da from the athlings and the thaumas coat, there for that religates the thaumas set bonus to i believe +10? thoughts on this?

♦ On multi-hit weapon skills, DA/TA/QA can proc up to 2 times, on any hit of the weapon skill.
♦ DA/TA/QA can not induce a weapon skill to hit more than 8 times.
♦ 1-2 hit weapon skills benefit greatly from DA/TA/QA.
♦ Multi-hit weapon skills do not.

♦ Thaumas Attire Set: Increases STR, DEX, AGI, MND
+2 Stats for 2 pieces
+5 Stats for 3 pieces
+10 Stats for 4 pieces
+15 Stats for 5 pieces

My build AGI>ATT>STR>
AGI is a very high mod. You benefit the most stacking it.

I swore at one point i read that Double/Triple/Quad can only proc on the first or offhand hit of Multi Hit WS?

This was quite some time ago though... Regardless it appears I need to catch up! Can you link me to these findings friend?

Being able to proc on any hit would be a new one on me as well.

Well, for the sake of knowledge, Took a trip over to BG Wiki to read the Double Attack article.

From what i gather, It can only proc 2 times per WS, Trip/Quad or Double, and they share the cap. Looks like it can proc on any hit of a Multi-Hit, but only a Maximum of twice, with a shared cap between the three "Multi-Attacks".

Interesting indeed. Think the Limit of 2 Procs per WS should be noted in the post as well though.

Also, Can proc on Offhand hits when Dual Wielding, or using Hand to hand. (Still limited to the 2 per WS Cap). Just possible. What that essentially means is if you proc Quad attack on Main and Offhand, you can turn a 1 hit WS into an 8 hit WS when Dual Wielding/H2h. Funny stuff.

So is there a ruling on DA? If Atk out weighs DA then sure the belt that was suggested seems awesome but otherwise not so much, but if DA has some weight shouldn't the epona's rate higher?

While a lot of DA/TA/QA has become available to us, it should still be considered an accessory, unless you are in abyssea.
Yes stacking it will make you see spike numbers more often,
but the reality is the other 70% you aren't spiking is suffering. Lowering your long-term average.

Just ask yourself what would do more damage to a car...
20 swings with a baseball bat? or 9 swings with a sledge hammer?

Lets say your exenterator looks like this,
(in a perfect world where no one misses and numbers are horribly rounded)

A:
4hit = 4dmg. you have 25%DA
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 8 8 8 8 8 = 100

B: (now in this set we lose some DA and add some agi/att/str)
4hit = 5dmg. you have 10%DA
5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 10 10 = 110

So given those guidelines, you would swap out the Thaumas body for Kudzu given the option?

Okie then wouldn't say the Loki's kaftan be better then the Thaumas body If only for the 11 agi vs. 5 agi/str? With the set up you are proposing apop you dont have Noteable DA to start with(unless subing warrior) so the DA on the thaumas gear isn't really ground breaking

Thaumas coat is an exception for this ws really and saio/aketon will beat thaumas if you are in need of the attack, otherwise use thaumas 5/5 yes.

On paper... 5STR/5AGI/13ATT/5STP will beat 5DEX/3TA/4QA/12ACC using my itemset listed above. By a very minimal amount.
VW hates me, so I haven't parsed it yet.

You get 5 STR/AGI/DEX from the coat as part of the set

You must not have noticed where it's already been subtracted.

Or this

New extender set

ItemSet 293505

Ill upgrade to stormsouls and a +1 earring when they become available at a normalized price(not 30% above ah) And now i suppose i have a shopping list for vw as well with that body. Thanks for all your help

Altdorf & Wilhelm are ridiculously easy to obtain if you have some time.
Free 6mil pair of earring right there.

Okay, just saying, jesus christ your Avatar is the Sh*t from my nightmares.

I can't look away and its giving me the creeps OH GOD ITS MOVING ISNT IT THE EYES FOLLOW MY SOUL.

Okie working on the earrings 1/1 on the Altdorf's Earring like 0/5 on the wilhelm's. and bought Stormsouls So should be fairly awesome to see what all this gil is producing soon enough

A friend of mine went 1/22 on the ronfaure one and gave up at around ~0/30 on the other. Some people have bad luck with these.

Fortunately the neck/ear/waist slots all offer similar stats so you can jumble them around a bit to fit the gear you have available.

1/6 got lucky i guess

ItemSet 293505

thf/dnc (Dynamis farming)

STR 96+49
DEX 94+32
AGI 104+82

591 atk 9%DA 3%TA/QA

That's pretty much the same set that's been floating around for a year or so now. Epona's is debatable and if you're capping attack (easier for Mandau users), you can swap the neck to AGI+6 as well.

This is the set that I have been using when attack is not capped:
ItemSet 290201
STR: 104 +58
DEX: 106 +55
AGI: 88 +77
Attack: 643
Race: Galka not that it matters :)

IT DOES YOU F*#(@&G GALKA!

Taru narb is much cuter though.

Needs more race change quests.

I want to be a galka.

Lol :)

oh i just realized Elanid belt has STR and AGI lol i wanted to get one since a few weeks for my cor, but i was to lazy to get it from npc w. Now that thf can use it usefull aswell i might pick it up later XD

Considering a set like the one posted above (4/5 Thaumas, using Kudzu for body atm), is it still worthwhile to carry Athos's Gloves and swap them in on the corresponding day? Or is the set bonus from Thaumas going to be more worthwhile?