|
Laws And Rules and Regulations...oh my!
By Enuyasha 2016-02-03 15:20:24
I won't pretend that academia isn't filled with leftists, but the way it's portrayed by the far right is more of an insult to them. Professors don't teach students what to think, they teach them how to think and how to test their conclusions.
Got anything to back up that claim? My experiences have shown the exact opposite to be true.
Unless you're claiming that the vast majority of educated people are liberal, I don't know what you're asking for. He is looking for the one that confirms the logic that elementary through to College is a system of Nazi liberalization camps.
I CLAIM THIS PAGE IN THE NAME OF SOCIALISM!
[+]
Cerberus.Pleebo
Server: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9720
By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-02-03 15:30:42
Funny that you mention that because I'm browsing the forums while in my Applied Wealth Redistribution class.
Bahamut.Ravael
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 13638
By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-02-03 16:12:55
A lot of ideas are instilled in us by those we willfully give authority to even past childhood. Most kids go to college, learn from liberal professors and come out very deeply liberal. The same surely happens with conservatives too but either in far less numbers, or conservative professors don't teach their students to use the internet.
I won't pretend that academia isn't filled with leftists, but the way it's portrayed by the far right is more of an insult to them. Professors don't teach students what to think, they teach them how to think and how to test their conclusions.
Yeah... in a perfect world. Even as a stats major I was taught what to think far too often, with opinion presented as fact on a regular basis in a couple classes (which you might recognize as being the opposite of good statistical practice). Even though almost none of it was political in nature, give enough people with doctorates a soapbox and you're bound to find quite a few that think they have it all figured out.
[+]
By Jassik 2016-02-03 17:13:41
A lot of ideas are instilled in us by those we willfully give authority to even past childhood. Most kids go to college, learn from liberal professors and come out very deeply liberal. The same surely happens with conservatives too but either in far less numbers, or conservative professors don't teach their students to use the internet.
I won't pretend that academia isn't filled with leftists, but the way it's portrayed by the far right is more of an insult to them. Professors don't teach students what to think, they teach them how to think and how to test their conclusions.
Yeah... in a perfect world. Even as a stats major I was taught what to think far too often, with opinion presented as fact on a regular basis in a couple classes (which you might recognize as being the opposite of good statistical practice). Even though almost none of it was political in nature, give enough people with doctorates a soapbox and you're bound to find quite a few that think they have it all figured out.
And, how do you think that applies to fields like finance and law?
Bahamut.Ravael
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 13638
By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-02-03 17:50:46
A lot of ideas are instilled in us by those we willfully give authority to even past childhood. Most kids go to college, learn from liberal professors and come out very deeply liberal. The same surely happens with conservatives too but either in far less numbers, or conservative professors don't teach their students to use the internet.
I won't pretend that academia isn't filled with leftists, but the way it's portrayed by the far right is more of an insult to them. Professors don't teach students what to think, they teach them how to think and how to test their conclusions.
Yeah... in a perfect world. Even as a stats major I was taught what to think far too often, with opinion presented as fact on a regular basis in a couple classes (which you might recognize as being the opposite of good statistical practice). Even though almost none of it was political in nature, give enough people with doctorates a soapbox and you're bound to find quite a few that think they have it all figured out.
And, how do you think that applies to fields like finance and law?
Similar, I would presume. Why did you single out those two fields?
By Jassik 2016-02-03 18:00:00
A lot of ideas are instilled in us by those we willfully give authority to even past childhood. Most kids go to college, learn from liberal professors and come out very deeply liberal. The same surely happens with conservatives too but either in far less numbers, or conservative professors don't teach their students to use the internet.
I won't pretend that academia isn't filled with leftists, but the way it's portrayed by the far right is more of an insult to them. Professors don't teach students what to think, they teach them how to think and how to test their conclusions.
Yeah... in a perfect world. Even as a stats major I was taught what to think far too often, with opinion presented as fact on a regular basis in a couple classes (which you might recognize as being the opposite of good statistical practice). Even though almost none of it was political in nature, give enough people with doctorates a soapbox and you're bound to find quite a few that think they have it all figured out.
And, how do you think that applies to fields like finance and law?
Similar, I would presume. Why did you single out those two fields?
Because they are the 2 largest occupations declared by members of congress, with business being 3rd. My personal experience in business classes in a red state was exactly the opposite of how you and altima have described academia. Professors not only didn't express political opinions regularly, when they did, it was ALWAYS more in line with conservative libertarian than anything remotely liberal.
Bahamut.Ravael
Server: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 13638
By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-02-03 18:28:29
I mostly just had a problem with your bolded statement. It was a blanket statement not completely backed by reality, whether you're talking politics or not.
[+]
By Jassik 2016-02-03 19:35:05
I mostly just had a problem with your bolded statement. It was a blanket statement not completely backed by reality, whether you're talking politics or not.
You realize that you can't talk about any topic without granularity? People make blanket statements because they are usually correct and having to make concessions for every exception is tedious. If you were talking to someone and they said the sky is blue, would you chastise them for making a blanket statement or would you just assume they know it's sometimes also other colors?
The purpose of general education is to teach people how to think, not what to think, even if some educators use it as a soapbox.
By Altimaomega 2016-02-03 19:35:13
My personal experience in business classes in a red state was exactly the opposite of how you and altima have described academia. Professors not only didn't express political opinions regularly, when they did, it was ALWAYS more in line with conservative libertarian than anything remotely liberal.
You act like I said every professor in every college in the USA is a Democrat on a soap box.
Also, my personal experience has shown that Conservatives rarely throw out political opinions unless asked about them. Unlike these democrat professors who feel the need to shove their opinions down their students impressionable minds.
when they did, it was ALWAYS more in line with conservative libertarian business classes in a red state You may be onto something here.
By Altimaomega 2016-02-03 19:37:15
I mostly just had a problem with your bolded statement. It was a blanket statement not completely backed by reality, whether you're talking politics or not.
You realize that you can't talk about any topic without granularity? People make blanket statements because they are usually correct and having to make concessions for every exception is tedious. If you were talking to someone and they said the sky is blue, would you chastise them for making a blanket statement or would you just assume they know it's sometimes also other colors?
The purpose of general education is to teach people how to think, not what to think, even if some educators use it as a soapbox.
Do you practice making blanket statements about blanket statements or does it just come naturally?
By Altimaomega 2016-02-03 22:44:24
He is looking for the one that confirms the logic that elementary through to College is a system of Nazi liberalization camps. Look more people trying to interpret and project things I've never said before.
Valefor.Omnys
Server: Valefor
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1759
By Valefor.Omnys 2016-02-03 23:26:39
My personal experience in business classes in a red state was exactly the opposite of how you and altima have described academia. Professors not only didn't express political opinions regularly, when they did, it was ALWAYS more in line with conservative libertarian than anything remotely liberal.
You act like I said every professor in every college in the USA is a Democrat on a soap box.
Also, my personal experience has shown that Conservatives rarely throw out political opinions.
I don't know whether you guys are off-center or at the very edge of your ideologies but I think that we recognize opinions more when we disagree with them.
I don't think either side is less or more guilty of this, I think that people in a position of authority use the privilege for the benefit of causes they believe in.
You hear someone who agrees with you, you either think it's just rational thought or based on fact. You hear someone who disagrees with you and it's an uninformed opinion.
I'm not faulting people for thinking that way, it's pretty natural.
By Altimaomega 2016-02-04 01:27:35
I like that game. Let's play!
Unless it was from an ad in the back of a comic book. There is no way in hell...
I don't believe for one second that you set foot on any college campus in this country.... not even on line. I went mostly on academic scholarships no less lmao!
And I don't know you personally I am basing this solely off of your posts, not the content, that's a whole separate issue all together.
The structure, the composition, the articulation, strongly suggest to me that you haven't successfully finished high school yet. Was one of the top of my class, shocking I know.
Which is fine, you're still entitled to your opinion. There is nothing in the world wrong with not finishing college...or high school. I'm not trying to put you down. Sure you're not. Totally understandable.
and it's not just the typos and the misspelling and the poor sentence structure. It's an almost complete inability to express yourself honestly, to share your views without coming across as hostile. You are assuming I give half a ***about the way I express myself over the internet on a game forum for a game than came out over a decade ago.. As for being hostile. I am only hostile when people get hostile towards me. Probably why I am always hostile.
More simply put, you don't write like a grown up. Coming from someone who role plays an evil genius. Is that a compliment?
Even someone who has only had to communicate with other people daily in the workplace learns simple techniques to get their point across, make their case and sometimes agree to disagree. You have none of those skills. What if I told you that I just refuse to use those skillz because it drives people like you insane?
You say that you have received a college education. I feel so strongly that this is not the case that if you would be so kind as to provide some proof, any proof at all, that you received any education, from any college. I will burn my degree. Umm.. Sucks to be you.. I'll have to go through my records I'm sure I've got some papers somewhere. Haven't seen them in over a decade though since they are basically worthless. I'll look around online maybe they have an alumni page or something.
again, this is not personal. I don't know you and I don't care. This is solely and purely based from your post structure.
If you, as the author of your own three thousand posts submitted here as evidence to the contrary, have a college education, than mine means absolutely nothing... You may be onto something there.
other random insults that are "not personal". there has to be an explanation. The internet.
Been fun. I'll get back with you about the college stuff get ready to Flick that Bic.
[+]
By Altimaomega 2016-02-04 01:44:23
So just remembered, I'm still paying off a few Student loans you want the account numbers so you can finish them off for me?
Bank of America STD LO
#13000000058xxx
21680 Ridgetop CIR
Sterling VA 20166
(866)3987741
I really am not in the habit of giving crazy people my personal information so maybe you can do something with that. Like burn half of your degree or better yet burn the whole thing and they will just send you another one in the mail. How damn stupid do you think I am?
I know, I'll take a picture of my degree and cover up my name.. Yup, that is about as legit as burning a worthless piece of paper.
Oh and when you actually are able to attack something besides my grammar and sentence structure maybe then you'll have something until then I call ***. Game over. You lose.
By Enuyasha 2016-02-04 01:47:34
He is looking for the one that confirms the logic that elementary through to College is a system of Nazi liberalization camps. Look more people trying to interpret and project things I've never said before. Its called a joke /scoff.
By Altimaomega 2016-02-04 01:50:50
He is looking for the one that confirms the logic that elementary through to College is a system of Nazi liberalization camps. Look more people trying to interpret and project things I've never said before. Its called a joke /scoff.
My bad, I've just been informed that I am always hostile. And your post must have brought out some hostility. Gee, imagine that.
Cerberus.Pleebo
Server: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9720
By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-02-04 02:13:51
What if I told you that I just refuse to use those skillz because it drives people like you insane?
Asura.Saevel
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9910
By Asura.Saevel 2016-02-04 02:27:12
Sure you're not. Totally understandable.
They tried the same tactic on me. It's a disguised insult with the intuited version being "you are so stupid that you can't possible of graduated a University". Saying that would make them look bad so they disguise it instead.
Never take anything a SJW says at face value. Everything they say is crafted to silence dissent and damage their enemies via social manipulation and bullying tactics. The best answer is to just point and laugh at anyone who's a big enough loser to actually crusade on an internet game forum.
[+]
Cerberus.Pleebo
Server: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9720
By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-02-04 02:35:51
Because whnen I think Nikolce, I immediately think SWJ lol
By Altimaomega 2016-02-04 02:48:54
Sure you're not. Totally understandable.
They tried the same tactic on me. It's a disguised insult with the intuited version being "you are so stupid that you can't possible of graduated a University". Saying that would make them look bad so they disguise it instead.
Never take anything a SJW says at face value. Everything they say is crafted to silence dissent and damage their enemies via social manipulation and bullying tactics. The best answer is to just point and laugh at anyone who's a big enough loser to actually crusade on an internet game forum.
I find it hilarious that someone actually thinks a college degree means anything. Worthless piece of paper that basically says you are indebted to such and such college (hell, actually the federal government who throws out money to anyone) until your loans are paid off. Then assuming you find a job in the field you studied in you can pay the interest on those loans until you work your way up the seniority and actually get decent enough pay to finally pay them off. If you're lucky!
Claiming college makes you smarter than anyone and your opinions mean more makes you conceded at best and a narcissist at worst. Actually, I think I just described Hillary Clinton..
Valefor.Sehachan
Server: Valefor
Game: FFXI
Posts: 24219
By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-04 05:49:09
I really am not in the habit of giving crazy people my personal information Much more simply you could have just said what the subject is.
Yes Saevel, they're coming to get you. Better lock your doors while you're still on time.
Server: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 20130
By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-04 09:14:13
What if I told you that I just refuse to use those skillz because it drives people like you insane?
then the devil has nothing on you sir. you are the greatest deceiver that ever lived....
[+]
Server: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 20130
By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-04 09:16:19
YouTube Video Placeholder
[+]
Server: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 20130
By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-04 09:22:14
Saying that would make them look bad so they disguise it instead.
YouTube Video Placeholder
[+]
By fonewear 2016-02-04 09:26:53
As usual I didn't read but I will say this laws only apply to those that follow them !
By fonewear 2016-02-04 09:31:28
If you're saying why have gun controls when people still commit murder, simple, guns are the most efficient way to kill loads of people, hence mass shootings happen.
Take away guns and what do you get, mass stabbings? I'd fancy my chances of surviving a crazed guy attacking a crowded place with a knife but I would fancy my chances a lot less if a gun was involved.
Take away guns and what do you get: I'm going to stop you right there...
(Insert right vs privilege argument here)
Server: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 20130
By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-04 09:41:16
As usual I didn't read but I will say this laws only apply to those that follow them !
thank you foney, for bringing us back on track... /hesitates ... /shakes it off
You are all probably too young to remember the PMRC PMRC
but somewhere in your parent's CD collection I am sure you can find the last vestiges of their "impact". a tiny sticker that says "Parental Advisory" on it.
United States Senate Hearings on how to protect teh childrens from hearing F bombs dropped in a song.
Long story short.... they got the evil music industry to cave to their wishes and put the dopey sticker on the covers... which of course backfired completely when kids all rushed out to buy them.
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 34187
By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-04 09:43:12
A lot of ideas are instilled in us by those we willfully give authority to even past childhood. Most kids go to college, learn from liberal professors and come out very deeply liberal. The same surely happens with conservatives too but either in far less numbers, or conservative professors don't teach their students to use the internet.
I won't pretend that academia isn't filled with leftists, but the way it's portrayed by the far right is more of an insult to them. Professors don't teach students what to think, they teach them how to think and how to test their conclusions.
Yeah... in a perfect world. Even as a stats major I was taught what to think far too often, with opinion presented as fact on a regular basis in a couple classes (which you might recognize as being the opposite of good statistical practice). Even though almost none of it was political in nature, give enough people with doctorates a soapbox and you're bound to find quite a few that think they have it all figured out.
And, how do you think that applies to fields like finance and law?
Similar, I would presume. Why did you single out those two fields?
Because they are the 2 largest occupations declared by members of congress, with business being 3rd. My personal experience in business classes in a red state was exactly the opposite of how you and altima have described academia. Professors not only didn't express political opinions regularly, when they did, it was ALWAYS more in line with conservative libertarian than anything remotely liberal. I went to a private liberal arts college, so, as such, I had to take many classes that did not pertain to my degree.
Yes, I had a couple of business professors who did state something political every now and then, but not nearly as much as the non-business professors did. Especially theology (go figure), humanities, science and arts, and social sciences professors. I even took an online course in speech (so I could graduate a semester early) with Midland University and the speech professor would spout political nonsense quite often.
While I am one person and many people's experiences differ, it does show that all professors do spout political ***, but, at least to me, the liberal arts professors actually try to make it a point to convert as many students as possible vs. non-liberal arts professors (the ones who actually teach skills). Probably because the non-liberal arts professors "ain't got no time for that ***."
[+]
Administrator
Server: Hyperion
Game: FFXIV
Posts: 701
By Drama Torama 2016-02-04 09:46:22
While I am one person and many people's experiences differ, it does show that all professors do spout political ***
I'm not even arguing with your conclusion, but your argument is ridiculous.
"Here is an anecdote with a sample size of one, it is clearly universally applicable."
C'mon, now. You're better than that.
[+]
you're probably breaking the law right now
In the now locked gun thread I was trying to have a discussion about laws and their impact... So why not make it it's own thread and carry it over here!
"These people have made many rules that the rich may break but the poor may not. They take their tithes from the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule." Sitting Bull
“Behold, the Spring has come; the earth has received the embraces of the sun and we shall soon see the results of that love!
Every seed is awakened and so has all animal life. It is through this mysterious power that we too have our being, and we therefore yield to our neighbors, even our animal neighbors, the same right as ourselves, to inhabit this land.
Yet, hear me, people, we have now to deal with another race – small and feeble when our fathers first met them but now great and overbearing. Strangely enough they have a mind to till the soil and the love of possession is a disease with them. These people have made many rules that the rich may break but the poor may not. They take their tithes from the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule.
They claim this mother of ours, the earth, for their own and fence their neighbors away; they deface her with their buildings and their refuse. The nation is like a spring freshet that overruns its banks and destroys all that are in its path.
We cannot dwell side by side. Only seven years ago we made a treaty by which we were assured that the buffalo country should be left to us forever. Now they threaten to take that away from us. My brothers, shall we submit or shall we say to them: 'First kill me before you take possession of my land”
― Sitting Bull
So let's get into it. Whether it's gun laws or speed limits, every day we create more laws that few follow.... and whether or not you "get away with" breaking laws is typically decided by how much money you have. (*See Affluenza Teen)
What good are laws that regulate the caliber of a bullet or the size of a magazine when those that have no respect for laws are breaking one of the most fundamental and harshly punished laws already, MURDER. Who do we imagine would abide by these additional laws we consider writing?
What law ever stopped a crime from happening or undid the horror of it's impact?
Do laws and rules make you feel safe? If laws don't stop a crime from happening what is their purpose? Perhaps they exist only to create a recourse for revenge against those that break them, are unlucky enough to get caught and then can't afford to buy their way out of trouble.
tl;dr locks only keep people without tools out...justice is the whim of a judge...and other mad ramblings of a deranged lunatic.
|
|