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Laws And Rules and Regulations...oh my!
By fonewear 2016-02-04 10:45:25
It's like that movie inception but with better acting !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-04 10:50:44
It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma... Inside a taco. Inside another taco!
By fonewear 2016-02-04 10:52:22
The general premise is correct instead of creating new laws how about fixing the existing ones...but such a thing is not possible.
I'm not sure who said it but the "law is an ***" !
Charles Dickens the blimey bloke:
“It was all Mrs. Bumble. She would do it," urged Mr. Bumble; first looking round, to ascertain that his partner had left the room.
That is no excuse," returned Mr. Brownlow. "You were present on the occasion of the destruction of these trinkets, and, indeed, are the more guilty of the two, in the eye of the law; for the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction."
If the law supposes that," said Mr. Bumble, squeezing his hat emphatically in both hands, "the law is a *** — a idiot. If that's the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is, that his eye may be opened by experience — by experience.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-04 11:02:59
instead of creating new laws how about fixing the existing ones...but such a thing is not possible.
These are the bills that are "getting through" the system and becoming laws...
signed legislation
By Altimaomega 2016-02-04 11:07:19
In your hand....no not that hand... the other hand... the OTHER hand the phone hand YES! that one.... dear god...
In you phone lies dormant a remarkable power to make you appear to be smarter than you really are...if you just make a little effort to look up words when you are unsure about their meaning...
Can we stop correcting stupid mistakes on the internet now..?
By fonewear 2016-02-04 11:08:06
instead of creating new laws how about fixing the existing ones...but such a thing is not possible.
These are the bills that are "getting through" the system and becoming laws...
signed legislation
Like that schoolhouse rock song !
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-04 11:15:56
Can we stop correcting stupid mistakes on the internet now..?
no.
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General Macarthur Speech “Old soldiers never die they just fade away”
Mr. President, Mr. Speaker and distinguished members of the Congress:
I stand on this rostrum with a sense of deep humility and great pride – humility in the wake of those great architects of our history who have stood here before me, pride in the reflection that this home of legislative debate represents human liberty in the purest form yet devised.
Here are centered the hopes and aspirations and faith of the entire human race.
I do not stand here as advocate for any partisan cause, for the issues are fundamental and reach quite beyond the realm of partisan considerations. They must be resolved on the highest plane of national interest if our course is to prove sound and our future protected.
I trust, therefore, that you will do me the justice of receiving that which I have to say as solely expressing the considered viewpoint of a fellow American.
I address you with neither rancor nor bitterness in the fading twilight of life, with but one purpose in mind: to serve my country.
The issues are global, and so interlocked that to consider the problems of one sector oblivious to those of another is to court disaster for the whole. While Asia is commonly referred to as the gateway to Europe, it is no less true that Europe is the gateway to Asia, and the broad influence of the one cannot fail to have its impact upon the other.
There are those who claim our strength is inadequate to protect on both fronts, that we cannot divide our effort. I can think of no greater expression of defeatism.
If a potential enemy can divide his strength on two fronts, it is for us to counter his efforts. The Communist threat is a global one. Its successful advance in one sector threatens the destruction of every other sector. You cannot appease or otherwise surrender to communism in Asia without simultaneously undermining our efforts to halt its advance in Europe.
Beyond pointing out these general truisms, I shall confine my discussion to the general areas of Asia…
While I was not consulted prior to the President’s decision to intervene in support of the Republic of Korea, that decision, from a military standpoint, proved a sound one.
As I say, it proved a sound one, as we hurled back the invader and decimated his forces. Our victory was complete, and our objectives within reach, when Red China intervened with numerically superior ground forces.
This created a new war and an entirely new situation, a situation not contemplated when our forces were committed against the North Korean invaders; a situation which called for new decisions in the diplomatic sphere to permit the realistic adjustment of military strategy. Such decisions have not been forthcoming.
While no man in his right mind would advocate sending our ground forces into continental China, and such was never given a thought, the new situation did urgently demand a drastic revision of strategic planning if our political aim was to defeat this new enemy as we had defeated the old.
Apart from the military need, as I saw it, to neutralize the sanctuary protection given the enemy north of the Yalu, I felt that military necessity in the conduct of the war made necessary –
(1) The intensification of our economic blockade against China.
(2) The imposition of a naval blockade against the China coast.
(3) Removal of restrictions on air reconnaissance of China’s coastal area and of Manchuria.
(4) Removal of restrictions on the forces of the republic of China on Formosa, with logistical support to contribute to their effective operations against the Chinese mainland.
For entertaining these views, all professionally designed to support our forces committed to Korea and to bring hostilities to an end with the least possible delay and at a saving of countless American and Allied lives, I have been severely criticized in lay circles, principally abroad, despite my understanding that from a military standpoint the above views have been fully shared in the past by practically every military leader concerned with the Korean campaign, including our own Joint Chiefs of Staff.
I called for reinforcements, but was informed that reinforcements were not available.
I made clear that if not permitted to destroy the enemy built-up bases north of the Yalu, if not permitted to utilize the friendly Chinese force of some six hundred thousand men on Formosa, if not permitted to blockade the China coast to prevent the Chinese Reds from getting succor from without, and if there were to be no hope of major reinforcements, the position of the command from the military standpoint forbade victory.
We could hold in Korea by constant maneuver and at an approximate area where our supply-line advantages were in balance with the supply-line disadvantages of the enemy, but we could hope at best for only an indecisive campaign with its terrible and constant attrition upon our forces if the enemy utilized his full military potential.
I have constantly called for the new political decisions essential to a solution.
Efforts have been made to distort my position. It has been said in effect that I was a warmonger. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I know war as few other men now living know it, and nothing to me is more revolting.
I have long advocated its complete abolition, as its very destructiveness on both friend and foe has rendered it useless as a means of settling international disputes.
Indeed, on the second day of September, 1945, just following the surrender of the Japanese nation on the battleship Missouri, I formally cautioned as follows: “Men since the beginning of time have sought peace. Various methods through the ages have been attempted to devise an international process to prevent or settle disputes between nations. From the very start workable methods were found in so far as individual citizens were concerned, but the mechanics of an instrumentality of larger international scope have never been successful.
“Military alliances, balances of power, leagues of nations, all in turn failed, leaving the only path to be by way of the crucible of war. The utter destructiveness of war now blocks out this alternative. We have had our last chance. If we will not devise some greater and more equitable system, our Armageddon will be at our door. The problem basically is theological and involves a spiritual recrudescence, an improvement of human character that will synchronize with our almost matchless advances in science, art, literature, and all material and cultural developments of the past two thousand years. It must be of the spirit if we are to save the flesh.” But once war is forced upon us, there is no other alternative than to apply every available means to bring it to a swift end. War’s very object is victory, not prolonged indecision.
In war there is no substitute for victory.
There are some who for varying reasons would appease Red China. They are blind to history’s clear lesson, for history teaches with unmistakable emphasis that appeasement but begets new and bloodier war. It points to no single instance where this end has justified that means, where appeasement had led to more than a sham peace.
Like blackmail, it lays the basis for new and successively greater demands until, as in blackmail, violence becomes the only alternative. Why, my soldiers asked of me, surrender military advantages to an enemy in the field? I could not answer.
Some may say to avoid spread of the conflict into an all-out war with China. Others, to avoid Soviet intervention. Neither explanation seems valid, for China is already engaging with the maximum power it can commit, and the Soviet will not necessarily mesh its actions with our moves. Like a cobra, any new enemy will more likely strike whenever it feels that the relativity in military or other potential is in its favor on a worldwide basis.
The tragedy of Korea is further heightened by the fact that its military action is confined to its territorial limits. It condemns that nation, which it is our purpose to save, to suffer the devastating impact of full naval and air bombardment while the enemy’s sanctuaries are fully protected from such attack and devastation.
Of the nations of the world, Korea alone, up to now, is the sole one which has risked its all against communism. The magnificence of the courage and fortitude of the Korean people defies description. They have chosen to risk death rather than slavery. Their last words to me were: “Don’t scuttle the Pacific.”
I have just left your fighting sons in Korea. They have met all tests there, and I can report to you without reservation that they are splendid in every way.
It was my constant effort to preserve them and end this savage conflict honorably and with the least loss of time and a minimum sacrifice of life. Its growing bloodshed has caused me the deepest anguish and anxiety. Those gallant men will remain often in my thoughts and in my prayers always.
I am closing my fifty-two years of military service. When I joined the army, even before the turn of the century, it was the fulfillment of all my boyish hopes and dreams.
The world has turned over many times since I took the oath on the plain at West Point, and the hopes and dreams have long since vanished, but I still remember the refrain of one of the most popular barracks ballads of that day which proclaimed most proudly that old soldiers never die; they just fade away.
And like the old soldier of that ballad, I now close my military career and just fade away, an old soldier who tried to do his duty as God gave him the light to see that duty. Good-by.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-04 11:19:47
instead of creating new laws how about fixing the existing ones...but such a thing is not possible.
These are the bills that are "getting through" the system and becoming laws...
signed legislationThat GONE Act actually looks pretty good. It portrays governmental efficiency.
I'm surprised Obama signed it. Maybe he needed to read it, so he signed it first.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-04 11:22:59
That GONE Act actually looks pretty good. It portrays governmental efficiency..
yeah we needed that law to tell us what to do next when all the money is gone >.>
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-02-04 11:25:24
instead of creating new laws how about fixing the existing ones...but such a thing is not possible.
These are the bills that are "getting through" the system and becoming laws...
signed legislationThat GONE Act actually looks pretty good. It portrays governmental efficiency.
I'm surprised Obama signed it. Maybe he needed to read it, so he signed it first.
Well duh. There's no way to know what's in it without passing it first.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-04 11:26:31
That GONE Act actually looks pretty good. It portrays governmental efficiency..
yeah we needed that law to tell us what to do next when all the money is gone >.> That's not how I read it.
It seem like a check and balance to stop issuing grants to people who aren't using them.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-02-04 11:27:09
Cosmetic microbeads were a legitimate environmental hazard. That ***was getting into errthang.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-04 11:31:46
Cosmetic microbeads were a legitimate environmental hazard. That ***was getting into errthang. Besides Nik, who's against that law again?
By Bloodrose 2016-02-04 11:32:50
Cosmetic microbeads were a legitimate environmental hazard. That ***was getting into errthang. It got into my tacos and burritos.
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By Bismarck.Misao 2016-02-04 11:34:48
Can we stop correcting stupid mistakes on the internet now..? I am sorry, there is no fixing you.
trust me, I am a Doctor.
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By Bloodrose 2016-02-04 11:35:42
Can we stop correcting stupid mistakes on the internet now..? I am sorry, there is no fixing you.
trust me, I am a Whale Biologist.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-04 11:35:46
Cosmetic microbeads were a legitimate environmental hazard. That ***was getting into errthang. It got into my tacos and burritos. Like you ever had a good taco or burrito.
By Bloodrose 2016-02-04 11:36:53
Cosmetic microbeads were a legitimate environmental hazard. That ***was getting into errthang. It got into my tacos and burritos. Like you ever had a good taco or burrito. You're right, best "Mexican" food place is Taco Bell. And I never go there.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-04 11:37:50
Cosmetic microbeads were a legitimate environmental hazard. That ***was getting into errthang. It got into my tacos and burritos. Like you ever had a good taco or burrito. You're right, best "Mexican" food place is Taco Bell. And I never go there. Come to San Antonio, I'll treat you to a good tamale.
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By Bismarck.Misao 2016-02-04 11:44:01
Come to Tijuana, I'll treat you to a good tamale. ftfy
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-02-04 11:52:39
Cosmetic microbeads were a legitimate environmental hazard. That ***was getting into errthang. Besides Nik, who's against that law again? Ssshhhhhhhh. No more posts. Only dreams.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-04 12:13:47
Come to Tijuana, I'll treat you to a good tamale. ftfy Eww, Baja California.
Cosmetic microbeads were a legitimate environmental hazard. That ***was getting into errthang. Besides Nik, who's against that law again? Ssshhhhhhhh. No more posts. Only dreams. Talking to yourself again?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-04 14:57:14
don't try so hard to force it kn. you gotta relax and wait for the right moment.... good comedy is all about the timing.
don't think of it as a race where you have to hurry up and post a snappy comeback before the moment is lost.
take your time...let is roll around in your head for a while.. if you rush it, then it sounds like /dopey none too bright playground bully voice
Talking to yourself again?
which just comes across as sad...
not only does it indicate that you felt the full brunt/sting of the joke but then you also choked in the clutch and weren't able to think of something good to say back...
instead just leave the
as kind of an insult placeholder until you think of something witty to say...
LAWS, RULES, REGULATIONS, OUR COLLEGES HAVE FAILED US, COMEDIC TIMING AND DELIVERY 101
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-02-04 15:01:45
It might be easier to teach a beaver not to build a dam.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-04 15:03:22
I was trying to be funny?
I thought I was trying to be passive aggressive again.
Kindof like Mosin and Pleebo.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-02-04 15:08:50
I thought I was trying to be in Malicious compliance again.
for the love of gid... take a psychology course man!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-04 15:12:31
I thought I was trying to be in Malicious compliance again.
for the love of gid... take a psychology course man! On this forum, Malicious compliance and Passive Aggressive is one and the same.
Also, who's gid? Does he have scary teeth?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-04 15:35:06
*desperate attempt to go back on track*
While I don't agree fully with Hobbes, I agree with one thing he says(and partly Locke): in a state of nature men are in a constant state of conflict due to the ius in omnia(pretty much everyone just thinks about themselves, or their restricted circle); the state of law ensures that rights are equally distributed(as much as possible at least), rather than being overtaken by whoever is strongest and can "eat the weaker".
Now you could say our states are not perfect as equality surely isn't ensured to everyone, and cause the stronger still devours the weaker, but this would lead us into a discussion about philosophy of economic models and I'm not sure if we wanna delve into that, at least in this specific thread(although that is interesting too if people don't go all partisan about it).
But yeah, ideally a state provides us the greatest equality while reducing conflict to a minimum. Ideally...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-04 15:44:46
While I don't agree fully with Hobbes, I agree with one thing he says(and partly Locke): in a state of nature men are in a constant state of conflict due to the ius in omnia(pretty much everyone just thinks about themselves, or their restricted circle); the state of law ensures that rights are equally distributed(as much as possible at least), rather than being overtaken by whoever is strongest and can "eat the weaker". Current law doesn't allow such even distribution of power. At least, not in America.
There are laws specific towards specific groups of people that it creates the idea of winners/losers in said law.
And before anyone can state that the only winners are those "evil corporations" or "whitey," consider this: most new laws are basically enhanced regulations aimed at specific industries (financial, accounting, legal, holding companies, manufacturing, etc.) that rewards the non-performers more than the performers.
Case in point: ACA.
Quote: although that is interesting too if people don't go all partisan about it
You are as equally partisan as the rest of us. Don't pretend you are not partisan, you are one of the worst offenders here.
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you're probably breaking the law right now
In the now locked gun thread I was trying to have a discussion about laws and their impact... So why not make it it's own thread and carry it over here!
"These people have made many rules that the rich may break but the poor may not. They take their tithes from the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule." Sitting Bull
“Behold, the Spring has come; the earth has received the embraces of the sun and we shall soon see the results of that love!
Every seed is awakened and so has all animal life. It is through this mysterious power that we too have our being, and we therefore yield to our neighbors, even our animal neighbors, the same right as ourselves, to inhabit this land.
Yet, hear me, people, we have now to deal with another race – small and feeble when our fathers first met them but now great and overbearing. Strangely enough they have a mind to till the soil and the love of possession is a disease with them. These people have made many rules that the rich may break but the poor may not. They take their tithes from the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule.
They claim this mother of ours, the earth, for their own and fence their neighbors away; they deface her with their buildings and their refuse. The nation is like a spring freshet that overruns its banks and destroys all that are in its path.
We cannot dwell side by side. Only seven years ago we made a treaty by which we were assured that the buffalo country should be left to us forever. Now they threaten to take that away from us. My brothers, shall we submit or shall we say to them: 'First kill me before you take possession of my land”
― Sitting Bull
So let's get into it. Whether it's gun laws or speed limits, every day we create more laws that few follow.... and whether or not you "get away with" breaking laws is typically decided by how much money you have. (*See Affluenza Teen)
What good are laws that regulate the caliber of a bullet or the size of a magazine when those that have no respect for laws are breaking one of the most fundamental and harshly punished laws already, MURDER. Who do we imagine would abide by these additional laws we consider writing?
What law ever stopped a crime from happening or undid the horror of it's impact?
Do laws and rules make you feel safe? If laws don't stop a crime from happening what is their purpose? Perhaps they exist only to create a recourse for revenge against those that break them, are unlucky enough to get caught and then can't afford to buy their way out of trouble.
tl;dr locks only keep people without tools out...justice is the whim of a judge...and other mad ramblings of a deranged lunatic.
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