Cerberus.Tidis said: »
I'm not totally dismissing your arguments
yes you are.
You aren't listening at all to my points about the law.
gun laws are being discussed as a small example of a much larger problem.
Laws And Rules And Regulations...oh My!
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Laws And Rules and Regulations...oh my!
yes you are. You aren't listening at all to my points about the law. gun laws are being discussed as a small example of a much larger problem.
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Cerberus.Tidis said: » As for no guns in Chicago, sure you can't buy in Chicago but it's not going to stop people getting guns from outside Chicago. You, like, basically just destroyed your own argument there.
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: » This will go well. Contribute to the topic or GTFO.
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Jetackuu said: » Cerberus.Tidis said: » Jetackuu said: » Cerberus.Tidis said: » True, if you're quantifying bombs as more efficient then you've clearly missed how they are much more difficult to obtain for a normal person, I won't argue that they are much better killing weapons, hence why suicide bombers are a thing. Guns are most efficient for the common citizen, otherwise they would use these more efficient means of killing that you aren't disclosing. There's many things, that's just one of them. As for the rest of your "conclusion" it's also false. Just because it's popular doesn't make it the most efficient, which is what you claimed. Exactly. Even if you loaded Timothy McVeigh up like Duke Nukem, he wouldn't have gotten even close to killing/hurting as many people as he did with just a truck and an explosive.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Cerberus.Tidis said: » As for no guns in Chicago, sure you can't buy in Chicago but it's not going to stop people getting guns from outside Chicago. You, like, basically just destroyed your own argument there. But somehow we're going to create a magical law that everyone will follow and people will all suddenly behave themselves....
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and why does seha want to poop on my car so badly...
I know that I'm a jerk and stuff but jeezy pete ...take it easy tiger
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Shiva.Nikolce said: » Do you believe crime stops when an individual is put in prison? Like I said, the individual caused danger but he didn't fall with the entirety of the society because he's been put away before he can cause more. Then again the more power you have the more danger you can cause. If say KJU nukes Seoul he brings the demise of his entire nation. But in that case he is also the lawmaker so...I'm getting lost in my digressions. Bahamut.Ravael said: » Cerberus.Tidis said: » As for no guns in Chicago, sure you can't buy in Chicago but it's not going to stop people getting guns from outside Chicago. You, like, basically just destroyed your own argument there. It doesn't matter if Chicago is a gun free zone, I wasn't aware it was but that doesn't really stop anyone who wants a gun INSIDE AMERICA, just drive out of Chicago, get a gun, drive back in, don't wave it around like an idiot. If guns were restricted nationwide, it would be a lot harder to obtain a gun, you'd have to get one from another country and at that point you've got a lot more barriers in your way to prevent you getting a gun into the country. Cerberus.Tidis said: » I also don't support the current air strikes Which has about as much effect as passing a law against them...
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Shiva.Nikolce said: » and why does seha want to poop on my car so badly... I know that I'm a jerk and stuff but jeezy pete ...take it easy tiger edit: and I think this is the most interesting topic in a long while; people are rarely willing to discuss philosophy Valefor.Sehachan said: » That individual is put away for a time so that crime won't happen again the crimes continue to happen with startling regularity. the only thing that has changed is the location. prison is an excellent example of removing all of the guns and not positively effecting the crime rate...at all.
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So, let's talk about how effective gun control is for Britain then.
 Looks really effective there, doesn't it?
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Cerberus.Tidis said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Cerberus.Tidis said: » As for no guns in Chicago, sure you can't buy in Chicago but it's not going to stop people getting guns from outside Chicago. You, like, basically just destroyed your own argument there. It doesn't matter if Chicago is a gun free zone, I wasn't aware it was but that doesn't really stop anyone who wants a gun INSIDE AMERICA, just drive out of Chicago, get a gun, drive back in, don't wave it around like an idiot. If guns were restricted nationwide, it would be a lot harder to obtain a gun, you'd have to get one from another country and at that point you've got a lot more barriers in your way to prevent you getting a gun into the country. Do you realize how much stuff is smuggled into this country on a regular basis? Throw some guns and ammo in there too and sell them to the criminals. Or not, because they're not going to hand over the ones they already have. Pipe dreams aren't helping anybody.
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Shiva.Nikolce said: » Thou Shall Not Kill Actually that's a mistranslation in the KJV. The proper translation would be Thou Shall Not Murder. Murder is unjustified killing, it's compared to righteous killing which is taken to mean killing in the name of your tribe or killing in defense of yourself or your tribe. The folks who made the KJV Bible didn't want to confuse the poor laymen with the distinction, since a layman would have no reason for righteous killing as that would be the purview of the king or clergy. Not disagreeing with your assessment regarding the effectiveness of gun laws, just pointing out a very common mistranslation.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » Looks really effective there, doesn't it?
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Looks really effective there, doesn't it? I mean, the source is on the graph itself. I know you want to argue for argument's sake, but damn, read before spouting your mouth next time....
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Cerberus.Tidis said: » If guns were restricted nationwide, it would be a lot harder to obtain a gun, you'd have to get one from another country and at that point you've got a lot more barriers in your way to prevent you getting a gun into the country.
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Looks really effective there, doesn't it? If your gun-related homicides are replaced just as easily by other homicides, then what was the point of the ban in the first place? Obviously it'd take some research to see what's really going on, but the graph isn't meaningless.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Looks really effective there, doesn't it? If your gun-related homicides are replaced just as easily by other homicides, then what was the point of the ban in the first place? Obviously it'd take some research to see what's really going on, but the graph isn't meaningless. Jetackuu said: » You really don't understand America.
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: » Jetackuu said: » Cerberus.Tidis said: » If guns were restricted nationwide, it would be a lot harder to obtain a gun, you'd have to get one from another country and at that point you've got a lot more barriers in your way to prevent you getting a gun into the country. FTFY Valefor.Sehachan said: » Jetackuu said: » You really don't understand America. Actually I do, it's rather easy to comprehend. A country telling me that I can't protect myself is fascism, I'll pass.
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Speaking of laws, are we going to talk about ones that could actually fly here, or are we going to pretend that banning all guns in the U.S. is even remotely in the realm of possibility?
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Welp, we had a good conversation going until certain people showed up.
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