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U.S. Government Recommends Lower Level of Fluoride
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-04-29 15:31:58
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia.
Agreed. I haven't stopped drinking fluoridated water or using fluoridated toothpaste, and don't plan to change my ways anytime soon.
On the other hand though, this could be the asbestos of our time. Another brilliant idea from a previous generation that isn't so great afterall. this is a great example of a widely used substance that was thought to be harmless for a very long time until data could be compiled to show a link to its exposure and illness. So, let's ban it based on speculation?
Anything else you want to ban because you think it might be bad? I'm sure if you allow a certain flower head that power, you would find your life a whole lot worse. no need for name calling...
and this is not speculation, there is evidence that poisoning is bad for you, people having been posting it, you can also look it up for your self. no one can improve pure water by adding poison to it. pure water is the best water you can drink so why would you be OK with anything less?
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2015-04-29 15:33:40
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia.
Agreed. I haven't stopped drinking fluoridated water or using fluoridated toothpaste, and don't plan to change my ways anytime soon.
On the other hand though, this could be the asbestos of our time. Another brilliant idea from a previous generation that isn't so great afterall. this is a great example of a widely used substance that was thought to be harmless for a very long time until data could be compiled to show a link to its exposure and illness. So, let's ban it based on speculation?
Anything else you want to ban because you think it might be bad? I'm sure if you allow a certain flower head that power, you would find your life a whole lot worse.
I'm not advocating it being banned, not by a long shot. But I agree, it should be thoroughly tested.
With that said though, it could be that conclusive evidence may never be found.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-29 15:35:06
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia. Agreed. I haven't stopped drinking fluoridated water or using fluoridated toothpaste, and don't plan to change my ways anytime soon. On the other hand though, this could be the asbestos of our time. Another brilliant idea from a previous generation that isn't so great afterall. this is a great example of a widely used substance that was thought to be harmless for a very long time until data could be compiled to show a link to its exposure and illness. So, let's ban it based on speculation? Anything else you want to ban because you think it might be bad? I'm sure if you allow a certain flower head that power, you would find your life a whole lot worse. no need for name calling... and this is not speculation, there is evidence that poisoning is bad for you, people having been posting it, you can also look it up for your self. no one can improve pure water by adding poison to it. pure water is the best water you can drink so why would you be OK with anything less?
No, pure water isn't the best water that you can drink. Most drinking water contains minerals that your body needs. I can guarantee that you have never drank 100% pure H2O in your life.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 15:36:28
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia.
Agreed. I haven't stopped drinking fluoridated water or using fluoridated toothpaste, and don't plan to change my ways anytime soon.
On the other hand though, this could be the asbestos of our time. Another brilliant idea from a previous generation that isn't so great afterall. this is a great example of a widely used substance that was thought to be harmless for a very long time until data could be compiled to show a link to its exposure and illness. So, let's ban it based on speculation?
Anything else you want to ban because you think it might be bad? I'm sure if you allow a certain flower head that power, you would find your life a whole lot worse. no need for name calling...
and this is not speculation, there is evidence that poisoning is bad for you, people having been posting it, you can also look it up for your self. no one can improve pure water by adding poison to it. pure water is the best water you can drink so why would you be OK with anything less? You do realize that the amount of fluoride found in water is minimal? Like, 7 PPM? That's "parts per million" in case you were wondering.
You want to know exactly how large that 7 PPM is?
It is smaller than the size of this "."
You might want a magnifying glass to read the above sentence.
Also, fluoride has been found naturally in water supplies for generations. Are you going to say that nature has been poisoning us for all of our existence, and we are now just experiencing the effects of it?
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2015-04-29 15:37:30
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia.
Agreed. I haven't stopped drinking fluoridated water or using fluoridated toothpaste, and don't plan to change my ways anytime soon.
On the other hand though, this could be the asbestos of our time. Another brilliant idea from a previous generation that isn't so great afterall. this is a great example of a widely used substance that was thought to be harmless for a very long time until data could be compiled to show a link to its exposure and illness. So, let's ban it based on speculation?
Anything else you want to ban because you think it might be bad? I'm sure if you allow a certain flower head that power, you would find your life a whole lot worse. no need for name calling...
and this is not speculation, there is evidence that poisoning is bad for you, people having been posting it, you can also look it up for your self. no one can improve pure water by adding poison to it. pure water is the best water you can drink so why would you be OK with anything less?
*** lol
Did you even give this a moment's consideration?
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2015-04-29 15:38:12
Spoiler: you cannot survive on water alone
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 15:43:41
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia.
Agreed. I haven't stopped drinking fluoridated water or using fluoridated toothpaste, and don't plan to change my ways anytime soon.
On the other hand though, this could be the asbestos of our time. Another brilliant idea from a previous generation that isn't so great afterall. this is a great example of a widely used substance that was thought to be harmless for a very long time until data could be compiled to show a link to its exposure and illness. So, let's ban it based on speculation?
Anything else you want to ban because you think it might be bad? I'm sure if you allow a certain flower head that power, you would find your life a whole lot worse.
I'm not advocating it being banned, not by a long shot. But I agree, it should be thoroughly tested.
With that said though, it could be that conclusive evidence may never be found. After all these fear-mongering accusations, I believe it has or in the process of being thoroughly tested. Kindof how the same people who are saying that we should be completely free of fluoride because it causes billions of deaths in the world are the same people who say that vaccines leads to autism and other mental diseases and disorders. Usually they use themselves as evidence for that.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-29 15:53:44
Show me on the doll where the government touched you.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-04-29 15:58:33
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia. Agreed. I haven't stopped drinking fluoridated water or using fluoridated toothpaste, and don't plan to change my ways anytime soon. On the other hand though, this could be the asbestos of our time. Another brilliant idea from a previous generation that isn't so great afterall. this is a great example of a widely used substance that was thought to be harmless for a very long time until data could be compiled to show a link to its exposure and illness. So, let's ban it based on speculation? Anything else you want to ban because you think it might be bad? I'm sure if you allow a certain flower head that power, you would find your life a whole lot worse. no need for name calling... and this is not speculation, there is evidence that poisoning is bad for you, people having been posting it, you can also look it up for your self. no one can improve pure water by adding poison to it. pure water is the best water you can drink so why would you be OK with anything less?
No, pure water isn't the best water that you can drink. Most drinking water contains minerals that your body needs. I can guarantee that you have never drank 100% pure H2O in your life.
mineral rich water, aka hard water, is not good for your internal organs.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775162/
Spoiler: you cannot survive on water alone where did I say that?
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2015-04-29 16:03:58
Claiming pure water isn't subject to positive augmentation is tantamount to claiming we need nothing else
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-29 16:08:11
Endoq, I'm not talking about mineral-heavy water. I'm talking about water, period. Drinking water always has minerals, and some of them have beneficial health benefits.
By charlo999 2015-04-29 16:09:33
Claim:Water is best in it's pure form = we don't need anything else but water to live
Yes I can see your train of thought
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 16:12:05
Claim:Water is best in it's pure form = we don't need anything else but water to live
Yes I can see your train of thought Your thought train already left the station a long time ago if you made that big of an argumentative leap.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-29 16:13:42
Claim:Water is best in it's pure form = we don't need anything else but water to live Yes I can see your train of thought
But it's not best in its pure form. Read up on "ultra pure water". According to some sources, absolutely pure water can actually strip your body of vital minerals.
Edit: I guess this is directed at Endoq, because Charlo is apparently too much of a coward to argue with me.
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2015-04-29 16:14:11
Redress it as hyperbole if you'd like. That doesn't make it non sequitur.
There are plenty of things we can add to water to make it better, because we need plenty of things other than water.
Contraindications notwithstanding, of course
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 16:15:32
Claim:Water is best in it's pure form = we don't need anything else but water to live Yes I can see your train of thought
But it's not best in its pure form. Read up on "ultra pure water". According to some sources, absolutely pure water can actually strip your body of vital minerals.
Edit: I guess this is directed at Endoq, because Charlo is apparently too much of a coward to argue with me. People tend to block those who proves them wrong on so many occasions.
One can just wonder how long charlo's block list is...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-29 16:17:34
Claim:Water is best in it's pure form = we don't need anything else but water to live Yes I can see your train of thought But it's not best in its pure form. Read up on "ultra pure water". According to some sources, absolutely pure water can actually strip your body of vital minerals. Edit: I guess this is directed at Endoq, because Charlo is apparently too much of a coward to argue with me. People tend to block those who proves them wrong on so many occasions. One can just wonder how long charlo's block list is...
As lame as it is to argue with air, being on the block list could be seen as a badge of honor. Everyone should strive for it.
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By charlo999 2015-04-29 16:18:23
yeah it's called food.
Is your argument, we should pump liquified food down too?
By Bloodrose 2015-04-29 16:19:10
There is a reason why ultra pure water strips the body of it's vital minerals and nutrients - water is a digestive and flushes the body.
Regular water, with naturally occurring minerals and vitamins found within, restores at least some of the vitamins and minerals from the body that it would otherwise flush, making it cyclical in natural body processes.
This is basic grade school science. Go watch some "Bill Nye" videos.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 16:20:26
yeah it's called food.
Is your argument we pump liquified food down too? You were the one making the argumentative leap, nobody else.
As lame as it is to argue with air, being on the block list could be seen as a badge of honor. Everyone should strive for it. At times like this, it seems like you are arguing with air regardless if you are on the block list.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 16:22:41
Go watch some "Bill Nye" videos. But, it's not infowars! There is no government lies associated with it, just facts! How can scientific facts be accurate when the government is controlling our minds with their moon ray?
Also, welcome back BR!
By Bloodrose 2015-04-29 16:23:32
I blame the Jovian Lizards.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 16:24:50
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By Bloodrose 2015-04-29 16:25:53
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-04-29 16:30:10
There is a reason why ultra pure water strips the body of it's vital minerals and nutrients - water is a digestive and flushes the body.
Regular water, with naturally occurring minerals and vitamins found within, restores at least some of the vitamins and minerals from the body that it would otherwise flush, making it cyclical in natural body processes.
This is basic grade school science. Go watch some "Bill Nye" videos. that cleansing effect is necessary for removing excess minerals, and those minerals are easily replaced by eating food...
impurities in water, such as fluoride, hinder this cleansing ability.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-29 16:33:19
There is a reason why ultra pure water strips the body of it's vital minerals and nutrients - water is a digestive and flushes the body. Regular water, with naturally occurring minerals and vitamins found within, restores at least some of the vitamins and minerals from the body that it would otherwise flush, making it cyclical in natural body processes. This is basic grade school science. Go watch some "Bill Nye" videos. that cleansing effect is necessary for removing excess minerals, and those minerals are easily replaced by eating food...
The water you drink has minerals. The water I drink has minerals. Everybody drinks water with minerals. What are you trying to argue?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 16:33:20
There is a reason why ultra pure water strips the body of it's vital minerals and nutrients - water is a digestive and flushes the body.
Regular water, with naturally occurring minerals and vitamins found within, restores at least some of the vitamins and minerals from the body that it would otherwise flush, making it cyclical in natural body processes.
This is basic grade school science. Go watch some "Bill Nye" videos. that cleansing effect is necessary for removing excess minerals, and those minerals are easily replaced by eating food... Including minerals found only in water and not in food in the right quantities?
impurities in water, such as fluoride, hinder this cleansing ability. Bold statement, I'm sure you have a source to back that up?
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By Bloodrose 2015-04-29 16:33:57
You do realize that the minerals, nutrients, and vitamins found in food vary greatly upon the region they were cultivated in, as well as how they are produced, right?
The cleansing effect of water is much stronger than you seem to have a basic understanding of... anything science-related. So no, the necessary minerals are not always replaced, much less replaced in the quantities needed for daily activities, much less strenuous activities.
Seriously, go watch some Bill Nye videos on basic science, and consider the following: You don't know jack.
Then you may want to consult a nutritionist about those claims of yours.
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By Bahamut.Omael 2015-04-29 16:39:46
The water you drink has minerals. The water I drink has minerals. Everybody drinks water with minerals. What are you trying to argue?
Water? Who drinks that anymore?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-29 16:40:38
On a related anecdote, many years back I used to only ever drink soda, and any liquid I got from food was minimal. (Yes, I know that's not healthy.) A friend of mine told me that soda dehydrated people more than it hydrated them. No amount of me telling him that that was impossible because I'm not dead could convince him otherwise, because somebody told him, he believed it, he repeated it, and therefore the danger of being wrong was greater than the risk of defying logic.
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U.S. Government Recommends Lower Level of Fluoride in Water
Well i hate to say i told you so that it was bad, but even the Government is having a hard time saying it is. This is a start to removing it completely.
Quote: For the first time in more than 50 years, the federal government has recommended lowering the level of fluoride in drinking water.
Since 1962, the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) suggested that public tap water contain between 0.7 and 1.2 milligrams of fluoride per liter. But on Monday, the department said now it's recommending that the level not exceed 0.7 milligrams per liter (which is the same as 0.7 parts per million, or ppm). The announcement comes as no surprise; the DHHS first proposed making this change in 2011, and most large cities have already lowered their fluoride levels accordingly.
Water utilities add fluoride to the taps of two-thirds of Americans for the purpose of reducing cavities. Higher levels of fluoride have been shown to increase the risk of dental fluorosis, a staining of the teeth. Mild cases lead to white spots, while more severe ones can cause brown stains and mottling. The most recent data shows that 41 percent of American adolescents between the ages of 12 and 15 have some form of fluorosis, a number that continues to rise, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The DHHS said in a statement on Monday that the move should reduce the chance of developing fluorosis while still helping to prevent cavities. When the 0.7 to 1.2 ppm recommendation was first made, there were fewer sources of fluoride.
“While additional sources of fluoride are more widely used than they were in 1962, the need for community water fluoridation still continues,” said Deputy Surgeon General Rear Admiral Dr. Boris Lushniak. “Community water fluoridation continues to reduce tooth decay in children and adults beyond that provided by using only toothpaste and other fluoride-containing products.”
The American Dentistry Association and public health researchers lauded the announcement. But some don’t think it goes far enough.
Fluoridation first began in 1945 in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and there is evidence that the practice helped reduce cavities when the mineral wasn’t widely available in toothpastes and rinses, among other things. But there hasn’t been enough research done in recent years to show that it is still necessary, says Dr. Philippe Grandjean, an environmental health researcher and physician at Harvard University.
“We need to revisit those benefits to make sure that the old reports are still valid for the current fluoride exposure situation,” Grandjean says.
He advocates using fluoride topically (e.g. brushing your teeth with toothpaste), as opposed to swallowing it and subjecting all of the body’s organs to the chemical. It became clear around 1999 that fluoride primarily acts topically and needn’t be swallowed to be effective. He also noted that cavity rates have declined at similar rates in countries with and without fluoridation.
More recent research indicates that fluoridation may have unforeseen negative health effects. Studies published this year have suggested a link between fluoridation and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, as well as an underactive thyroid. Scores of studies, mostly done in China, have also shown that high levels of naturally occurring fluoride in water harm brain development and reduce IQ.
“I’d say it’s a reasonable concern that fluoride can affect brain development," Grandjean says. “Lowering the recommended fluoridation level to 0.7 mg per liter is very well-justified. I would in fact recommend that the level be reduced even further.”
Gov't Admits Fluoride Is Bad For You
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