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U.S. Government Recommends Lower Level of Fluoride
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 13:31:04
OP presented newly discovered scientific information and the majority of people respond with personal attacks and cries to lock the thread? if you want a thread locked because you don't like it then just don't click on the thread. no one is forcing you to stay and read. if you are one of the followers of science then how can you deny proof and resort to personal attacks? let's put all our personal differences aside and review facts instead of opinions... No, he cited a policy change. Policy change was to reduce it down to international standards.
Doesn't mean they are getting rid of it, just lowering it by, what, 1 mg per cubic liter? Whatever the difference between US and international standards are.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-04-29 13:51:39
Fluoride alert
Quote: COUNTRIES THAT FLUORIDATE THEIR WATER
Fluoride Action Network | August 2012
Quick Facts:
Most developed nations do not fluoridate their water. In western Europe, for example, only 3% of the population consumes fluoridated water.
While 25 countries have water fluoridation programs, 11 of these countries have less than 20% of their population consuming fluoridated water: Argentina (19%), Guatemala (13%), Panama (15%), Papa New Guinea (6%), Peru (2%), Serbia (3%), Spain (11%), South Korea (6%), the United Kingdom (11%), and Vietnam (4%).
Only 11 countries in the world have more than 50% of their population drinking fluoridated water: Australia (80%), Brunei (95%); Chile (70%), Guyana (62%), Hong Kong (100%), the Irish Republic (73%), Israel (70%), Malaysia (75%), New Zealand (62%), Singapore (100%), and the United States (64%).
In total, 377,655,000 million people worldwide drink artificially fluoridated water. This represents 5% of the world’s population.
There are more people drinking fluoridated water in the United States than the rest of the world combined.
There is no difference in tooth decay between western nations that fluoridate their water and those that do not.
Quote: Countries that Fluoridate their Water
(SOURCE: British Fluoridation Society; November 2012)
Country Number of People Drinking Artificially Fluoridated Water % of Population
Argentina 3,100,000 19%
Australia 17,600,000 80%
Brazil 73,200,000 41%
Brunei 375,000 95%
Canada 14,260,000 44%
Chile 11,800,000 70%
Fiji 300,000 36%
Guatemala 1,800,000 13%
Guyana 45,000 62%
Hong Kong 6,968,000 100%
Irish Republic 3,250,000 73%
Israel 5,270,000 70%
Libya 400,000 22%
Malaysia 20,700,000 75.5%
New Zealand 2,330,000 61%
Panama 510,000 15%
Papa New Guinea 102,000 6%
Peru 500,000 2%
Serbia 300,000 3%
Singapore 5,080,000 100%
South Korea 2,820,000 6%
Spain 4,250,000 11%
United Kingdom 5,797,000 11%
United States 194,206,000 64%
Vietnam 3,500,000 4%
Total 369,656,000 5% of the world
SOURCE: British Fluoridation Society (2012). One in a Million: The facts about water fluoridation. Available online at: http://www.bfsweb.org/onemillion/onemillion2012.html (updated Nov. 2012)
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 13:54:03
And your point is...what again?
That we should strive to be more like Vietnam, Peru, and Serbia?
I thought you said you loved your country, why are you trying to change it to a 3rd world country? Well, other than economically that is.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-04-29 14:05:08
And your point is...what again?
That we should strive to be more like Vietnam, Peru, and Serbia?
I thought you said you loved your country, why are you trying to change it to a 3rd world country? Well, other than economically that is. loving your country and believing your country is superior to all others is not the same thing...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 14:09:40
And your point is...what again?
That we should strive to be more like Vietnam, Peru, and Serbia?
I thought you said you loved your country, why are you trying to change it to a 3rd world country? Well, other than economically that is. loving your country and believing your country is superior to all others is not the same thing... How many people died from fluoride poisoning again?
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-04-29 14:20:47
And your point is...what again?
That we should strive to be more like Vietnam, Peru, and Serbia?
I thought you said you loved your country, why are you trying to change it to a 3rd world country? Well, other than economically that is. loving your country and believing your country is superior to all others is not the same thing... How many people died from fluoride poisoning again?
this has already been stated:
you need a large dose to die directly from toxicity. it's the slow damage to internal organs over time that are the silent killer going unnoticed until more data has been compiled and reviewed like it has been lately to put these factors into light.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-29 14:23:01
Now post a youtube video to really piss him off! KO Punch!
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By charlo999 2015-04-29 14:27:04
Quote: There is no difference in tooth decay between western nations that fluoridate their water and those that do not.
I'm sure this is the point.
Looking into research provided from the link.
The limited research they have done cherry picks the best statistic areas then puts them against the worst statistic areas. Any idiot can see this.
I can even swap 2 on some and come up with a 0% difference.
It's also funny that they pick the same 2-3 areas each time. Where many other variables could be in play. Like better health care, poorer(more sugary food drink consumption) food/diet, better brushing regime mentality from parents, etc.
But the information provided here is global so it can not be manipulated. And that fact is in the quote.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 14:27:37
And your point is...what again?
That we should strive to be more like Vietnam, Peru, and Serbia?
I thought you said you loved your country, why are you trying to change it to a 3rd world country? Well, other than economically that is. loving your country and believing your country is superior to all others is not the same thing... How many people died from fluoride poisoning again?
this has already been stated:
you need a large dose to die directly from toxicity. it's the slow damage to internal organs over time that are the silent killer going unnoticed until more data has been compiled and reviewed like it has been lately to put these factors into light. Has that been proven? According to the American Cancer Society, no.
Are you going to say that a bunch of conspiracy theory nutballs and flower heads know more about cancer than the leading research centers for all cancers?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-29 14:31:36
Are you going to say that a bunch of conspiracy theory nutballs and flower heads know more about cancer than the leading research centers for all cancers? Idk.. some people like to talk about climate scientists like that and you don't seem to have a problem with it lol...
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By Seha 2015-04-29 14:32:40
The same trio always looking for conspiracies.
Cause poisoning the wells is totally a business. It's not like those people drink the same water as everyone else, they must be trying to slay the world with their evil obscure plans.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-29 14:33:40
Government is trying to kill everyone, didn't you watch X-Files?
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By Seha 2015-04-29 14:34:13
Dead people are easier to rule than living ones.
By rkhan 2015-04-29 14:35:22
Now post a youtube video to really piss him off! KO Punch!
I'm pretty sure he starts feeding deer whilst crying.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-29 14:36:11
It's not like those people drink the same water as everyone else Silly fool! The most certainly drink from the wellspring of eternal life flavored with the tears of the masses and not from the same source as they peons they seek to subjugate!
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-29 14:37:00
Dead people are easier to rule than living ones. You don't rule the dead you just throw them in a hole somewhere... unless... they're necromancers now?!?!
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2015-04-29 14:37:12
And your point is...what again?
That we should strive to be more like Vietnam, Peru, and Serbia?
I thought you said you loved your country, why are you trying to change it to a 3rd world country? Well, other than economically that is. loving your country and believing your country is superior to all others is not the same thing... How many people died from fluoride poisoning again?
this has already been stated:
you need a large dose to die directly from toxicity. it's the slow damage to internal organs over time that are the silent killer going unnoticed until more data has been compiled and reviewed like it has been lately to put these factors into light.
"We need more data to confirm this ***is killing us, but until then, this ***is killing us."
This forum, man
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-04-29 14:37:14
The same trio always looking for conspiracies.
Cause poisoning the wells is totally a business. It's not like those people drink the same water as everyone else, they must be trying to slay the world with their evil obscure plans.
This is actually not a conspiracy when it is a Fact. Fluoride is a poison.
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2015-04-29 14:38:22
Toxicity is in the dosage.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 14:48:45
The same trio always looking for conspiracies.
Cause poisoning the wells is totally a business. It's not like those people drink the same water as everyone else, they must be trying to slay the world with their evil obscure plans.
This is actually not a conspiracy when it is a Fact. Fluoride is a poison. How many people died from fluoride poisoning again?
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2015-04-29 15:03:28
And your point is...what again?
That we should strive to be more like Vietnam, Peru, and Serbia?
I thought you said you loved your country, why are you trying to change it to a 3rd world country? Well, other than economically that is. loving your country and believing your country is superior to all others is not the same thing... How many people died from fluoride poisoning again?
this has already been stated:
you need a large dose to die directly from toxicity. it's the slow damage to internal organs over time that are the silent killer going unnoticed until more data has been compiled and reviewed like it has been lately to put these factors into light. Has that been proven? According to the American Cancer Society, no.
Are you going to say that a bunch of conspiracy theory nutballs and flower heads know more about cancer than the leading research centers for all cancers?
That's assuming that it's carcinogenic, but I haven't read anything claiming as such.
Fluoride is a hardening agent, which is why it is thought to be beneficial for teeth. But there is a concern (I haven't seen any evidence myself, but then again I haven't been looking for any) that it also hardens organs. If that is the case, it could be a contributor to any number of other conditions, including heart attacks, strokes etc.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-29 15:12:33
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-04-29 15:15:56
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia. aren't you basing it's safety on pure speculation? you haven't proven that there is no effect on internal organs.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 15:17:55
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia. aren't you basing it's safety on pure speculation? you haven't proven that there is no effect on internal organs. You haven't proven that there is an effect to internal organs either.
It's up to those who claim that there is damage done to prove that, you know, damage has been done.
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2015-04-29 15:18:29
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia.
Agreed. I haven't stopped drinking fluoridated water or using fluoridated toothpaste, and don't plan to change my ways anytime soon.
On the other hand though, this could be the asbestos of our time. Another brilliant idea from a previous generation that isn't so great afterall.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-04-29 15:22:07
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia.
Agreed. I haven't stopped drinking fluoridated water or using fluoridated toothpaste, and don't plan to change my ways anytime soon.
On the other hand though, this could be the asbestos of our time. Another brilliant idea from a previous generation that isn't so great afterall. this is a great example of a widely used substance that was thought to be harmless for a very long time until data could be compiled to show a link to its exposure and illness.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 15:23:56
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia.
Agreed. I haven't stopped drinking fluoridated water or using fluoridated toothpaste, and don't plan to change my ways anytime soon.
On the other hand though, this could be the asbestos of our time. Another brilliant idea from a previous generation that isn't so great afterall. this is a great example of a widely used substance that was thought to be harmless for a very long time until data could be compiled to show a link to its exposure and illness. So, let's ban it based on speculation?
Anything else you want to ban because you think it might be bad? I'm sure if you allow a certain flower head that power, you would find your life a whole lot worse.
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2015-04-29 15:25:03
this is a great example of a widely used substance that was thought to be harmless for a very long time until data could be compiled to show a link to its exposure and illness.
On today's episode of Casually Ignoring Quantum Leaps in Data Collection and Concern for Human Safety Over the Last 2000 Years
Be sure to pick up a pair of non-slip shoes for that slope you're on homey
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-29 15:25:04
Great! Now somebody just needs to prove it. Otherwise, it's speculation brought about by paranoia. aren't you basing it's safety on pure speculation? you haven't proven that there is no effect on internal organs.
All of these elements are found in the human body in various chemical compositions. All of them will kill you with too high of a dose, and many will kill you if you have too little of them. Everything you eat has varying amounts of chemicals, because chemicals make up everything. We don't know exactly how much of anything is safe, because nutritionists and doctors can't make up their mind. That's why we should base things off of what we know can hurt us, not what we think could maybe hurt us in theory. Show me the evidence that fluride hurts internal organs, and it better be a peer-reviewed study. Otherwise, I can't be forced to care about something that maybe can hurt me, but nobody actually knows.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-29 15:30:35
I'm more concerned about the obvious radium in the water supply.
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U.S. Government Recommends Lower Level of Fluoride in Water
Well i hate to say i told you so that it was bad, but even the Government is having a hard time saying it is. This is a start to removing it completely.
Quote: For the first time in more than 50 years, the federal government has recommended lowering the level of fluoride in drinking water.
Since 1962, the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) suggested that public tap water contain between 0.7 and 1.2 milligrams of fluoride per liter. But on Monday, the department said now it's recommending that the level not exceed 0.7 milligrams per liter (which is the same as 0.7 parts per million, or ppm). The announcement comes as no surprise; the DHHS first proposed making this change in 2011, and most large cities have already lowered their fluoride levels accordingly.
Water utilities add fluoride to the taps of two-thirds of Americans for the purpose of reducing cavities. Higher levels of fluoride have been shown to increase the risk of dental fluorosis, a staining of the teeth. Mild cases lead to white spots, while more severe ones can cause brown stains and mottling. The most recent data shows that 41 percent of American adolescents between the ages of 12 and 15 have some form of fluorosis, a number that continues to rise, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The DHHS said in a statement on Monday that the move should reduce the chance of developing fluorosis while still helping to prevent cavities. When the 0.7 to 1.2 ppm recommendation was first made, there were fewer sources of fluoride.
“While additional sources of fluoride are more widely used than they were in 1962, the need for community water fluoridation still continues,” said Deputy Surgeon General Rear Admiral Dr. Boris Lushniak. “Community water fluoridation continues to reduce tooth decay in children and adults beyond that provided by using only toothpaste and other fluoride-containing products.”
The American Dentistry Association and public health researchers lauded the announcement. But some don’t think it goes far enough.
Fluoridation first began in 1945 in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and there is evidence that the practice helped reduce cavities when the mineral wasn’t widely available in toothpastes and rinses, among other things. But there hasn’t been enough research done in recent years to show that it is still necessary, says Dr. Philippe Grandjean, an environmental health researcher and physician at Harvard University.
“We need to revisit those benefits to make sure that the old reports are still valid for the current fluoride exposure situation,” Grandjean says.
He advocates using fluoride topically (e.g. brushing your teeth with toothpaste), as opposed to swallowing it and subjecting all of the body’s organs to the chemical. It became clear around 1999 that fluoride primarily acts topically and needn’t be swallowed to be effective. He also noted that cavity rates have declined at similar rates in countries with and without fluoridation.
More recent research indicates that fluoridation may have unforeseen negative health effects. Studies published this year have suggested a link between fluoridation and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, as well as an underactive thyroid. Scores of studies, mostly done in China, have also shown that high levels of naturally occurring fluoride in water harm brain development and reduce IQ.
“I’d say it’s a reasonable concern that fluoride can affect brain development," Grandjean says. “Lowering the recommended fluoridation level to 0.7 mg per liter is very well-justified. I would in fact recommend that the level be reduced even further.”
Gov't Admits Fluoride Is Bad For You
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