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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-04-28 21:43:06
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U.S. Government Recommends Lower Level of Fluoride in Water


Well i hate to say i told you so that it was bad, but even the Government is having a hard time saying it is. This is a start to removing it completely.

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For the first time in more than 50 years, the federal government has recommended lowering the level of fluoride in drinking water.

Since 1962, the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) suggested that public tap water contain between 0.7 and 1.2 milligrams of fluoride per liter. But on Monday, the department said now it's recommending that the level not exceed 0.7 milligrams per liter (which is the same as 0.7 parts per million, or ppm). The announcement comes as no surprise; the DHHS first proposed making this change in 2011, and most large cities have already lowered their fluoride levels accordingly.

Water utilities add fluoride to the taps of two-thirds of Americans for the purpose of reducing cavities. Higher levels of fluoride have been shown to increase the risk of dental fluorosis, a staining of the teeth. Mild cases lead to white spots, while more severe ones can cause brown stains and mottling. The most recent data shows that 41 percent of American adolescents between the ages of 12 and 15 have some form of fluorosis, a number that continues to rise, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The DHHS said in a statement on Monday that the move should reduce the chance of developing fluorosis while still helping to prevent cavities. When the 0.7 to 1.2 ppm recommendation was first made, there were fewer sources of fluoride.

“While additional sources of fluoride are more widely used than they were in 1962, the need for community water fluoridation still continues,” said Deputy Surgeon General Rear Admiral Dr. Boris Lushniak. “Community water fluoridation continues to reduce tooth decay in children and adults beyond that provided by using only toothpaste and other fluoride-containing products.”

The American Dentistry Association and public health researchers lauded the announcement. But some don’t think it goes far enough.

Fluoridation first began in 1945 in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and there is evidence that the practice helped reduce cavities when the mineral wasn’t widely available in toothpastes and rinses, among other things. But there hasn’t been enough research done in recent years to show that it is still necessary, says Dr. Philippe Grandjean, an environmental health researcher and physician at Harvard University.

“We need to revisit those benefits to make sure that the old reports are still valid for the current fluoride exposure situation,” Grandjean says.

He advocates using fluoride topically (e.g. brushing your teeth with toothpaste), as opposed to swallowing it and subjecting all of the body’s organs to the chemical. It became clear around 1999 that fluoride primarily acts topically and needn’t be swallowed to be effective. He also noted that cavity rates have declined at similar rates in countries with and without fluoridation.

More recent research indicates that fluoridation may have unforeseen negative health effects. Studies published this year have suggested a link between fluoridation and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, as well as an underactive thyroid. Scores of studies, mostly done in China, have also shown that high levels of naturally occurring fluoride in water harm brain development and reduce IQ.

“I’d say it’s a reasonable concern that fluoride can affect brain development," Grandjean says. “Lowering the recommended fluoridation level to 0.7 mg per liter is very well-justified. I would in fact recommend that the level be reduced even further.”

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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-04-28 21:51:04
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
Fluoridation first began in 1945 in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and there is evidence that the practice helped reduce cavities when the mineral wasn’t widely available in toothpastes and rinses, among other things. But there hasn’t been enough research done in recent years to show that it is still necessary, says Dr. Philippe Grandjean, an environmental health researcher and physician at Harvard University.

They're reducing it because we get enough from other sources now but it has helped before that. It's only bad when you get too much of it, just like anything else in the world.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-04-28 21:53:32
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As soon as I saw Alex Jones, my brain turned off.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-28 21:57:47
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Well, we had our vaccination thread, now we have our fluoride thread again.

Flower heads, unite!
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2015-04-28 22:18:26
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Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
Could the mods please just do something to silence the parrot? I'm afraid I'll run out of saltines at the rate he's been going lately.
As much as I'd like the stupid to stop, taking that kind of action would only encourage them that there's some sort of conspiracy to silence "the truth".
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2015-04-28 23:03:44
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I can see why this has Lordgrim giddy.

The Government changing its stance on fluoridation? Obviously they want to restore 1776 America, just what Lordgrim has always dreamed of.
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By charlo999 2015-04-29 02:46:11
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »

He advocates using fluoride topically.

He also noted that cavity rates have declined at similar rates in countries with and without fluoridation.


More recent research indicates that fluoridation may have unforeseen negative health effects. Studies published this year have suggested a link between fluoridation and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, as well as an underactive thyroid. Scores of studies, mostly done in China, have also shown that high levels of naturally occurring fluoride in water harm brain development and reduce IQ

Huh?
So he admits that fluoride is not working in water but still advocates it.
But in another note only recommends it topically.
(Obviously we are not to swallow our tap water just spit it out because it's use is worthless after)
Sounds like its hard to admit they were wrong.
Which is understandable given then implications of the bottom paragraph. Imagine the public backlash.
Looks like they are going to try to slowly phase it out to not bring attention to it. As he said it 'could' be lower again.
It will take other countries to give the US public the truth, they're not gonna hang themselves.
Political rebuttal as always.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-04-29 03:13:21
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charlo999 said: »
Siren.Lordgrim said: »

He advocates using fluoride topically.

He also noted that cavity rates have declined at similar rates in countries with and without fluoridation.


More recent research indicates that fluoridation may have unforeseen negative health effects. Studies published this year have suggested a link between fluoridation and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, as well as an underactive thyroid. Scores of studies, mostly done in China, have also shown that high levels of naturally occurring fluoride in water harm brain development and reduce IQ

Huh?
So he admits that fluoride is not working in water but still advocates it.
Sounds like its hard to admit they were wrong.
Which is understandable given then implications of the bottom paragraph. Imagine the public backlash.
Looks like they are going to try to slowly phase it out to not bring attention to it. As he said it 'could' be lower again.
It will take other countries to give the US public the truth, they're not gonna hang themselves.
Political rebuttal as always.

Oh of course it is hard to admit they were wrong. I just find it disturbing that it takes them 50 years or longer to admit stuff to the public as if they are waiting for those who approved this poison to die off.

" yeah we knew it was bad hitler used it in Germany in concentration camps. We just wanted to experiment on 5 generation's of american families across the 50 states to see how far we can get away with dumbing down our citizens because God forbid they recognize they use to have a constitution and a republic and that they don't have it anymore. "

That's what a government representative would say if they were Republican or Democrat.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 07:16:10
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
yeah we knew it was bad hitler used it in Germany in concentration camps.



Let me ask you, flower head, is Hydra still historically real to you?

By the way, since the thread is finished now that Godwin's law has been invoked, can we lock the thread? Because nothing good will come out of this, the two flower heads will ignore any arguments made against their conspiracy religion.
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By fonewear 2015-04-29 07:26:28
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I heard the government is putting electrolytes in the water too !
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-29 08:20:07
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It's entirely useless to put this stuff in our water. We get plenty of it from numerous other sources.

The time and money wasted on buying it, putting it in, and regulating it's artificial placement in water could have 1000 better uses.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-04-29 08:41:45
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
It's entirely useless to put this stuff in our water. We get plenty of it from numerous other sources.

The time and money wasted on buying it, putting it in, and regulating it's artificial placement in water could have 1000 better uses.

Fluoride is a class 6 toxic hazardous material with a skull and crossbones label on the package.

Without a doubt thats bad to consume in any product, ya know poison is poison, some can kill you quick, others take there sweet time to cause long term damage.

i agree though we should stop using our tax paying dollars buying it to put into any product and instead of investing it to hurt our families lets use it to benefit all americans.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 08:52:21
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
It's entirely useless to put this stuff in our water. We get plenty of it from numerous other sources.

The time and money wasted on buying it, putting it in, and regulating it's artificial placement in water could have 1000 better uses.

Fluoride is a class 6 toxic hazardous material with a skull and crossbones label on the package.

Without a doubt thats bad to consume in any product, ya know poison is poison, some can kill you quick, others take there sweet time to cause long term damage.

i agree though we should stop using our tax paying dollars buying it to put into any product and instead of investing it to hurt our families lets use it to benefit all americans.
You do know why a bag of fluoride is considered toxic, right?

I would explain it in simple terms, but even that would go right over your flower head. But here's a hint: Measure 10 MG of a powder, and compare it to a 10 lb bag of it, and notice the size difference.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-29 09:00:38
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One can die from excessive ingestion of water. Rather easily.

Some opinions suggest repeated small exposure to "toxic" stuff is good for the body because it stimulates the body to react to it (see allergens or trace amounts of radioactivity). Others suggest it might be equally as bad. At best it's pretty inconclusive, and probably varies based on ones specific genetic makeup a bit. I'm not scared of constant exposure to small amounts of fluoride contained in public water, but it's entirely useless and a waste of money.
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By fonewear 2015-04-29 09:01:31
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Alcohol is poison too...quite delicious poison !
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By Carbuncle.Luckyc 2015-04-29 09:32:41
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too much of anything will kill you.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-04-29 09:57:14
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Because nothing good will come out of this, the two flower heads will ignore any arguments made against their conspiracy religion.

I must admit that every time you use that phrase, I hear Spinal Tap.

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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-04-29 10:10:10
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
One can die from excessive ingestion of water. Rather easily....
Without invoking either fluorine or chlorine.

fonewear said: »
Alcohol is poison too...quite delicious poison !
My favorites are scotch and tequila.

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Well, we had our vaccination thread, now we have our fluoride thread again.

Flower heads, unite!
But you should be proud of him. He actually posted a citation that WASN'T a Utube video.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-04-29 10:14:41
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I'm glad to see there is finally a recognition that ingesting fluoride has adverse effects and that it only needs to be applied topically to teeth and gums.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 10:21:34
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
But you should be proud of him. He actually posted a citation that WASN'T a Utube video.
Actually, it was a citation from the same source as the youtube video provided by him in the OP. That doesn't count.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-29 12:52:41
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Dihydrogen monoxide causes far more deaths than fluoride ever will. You should do some research on that chemical, Lordgrim. It's colorless, odorless, can be fatal if inhaled, and is also found in all of our tap water.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-04-29 13:01:00
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OP presented newly discovered scientific information and the majority of people respond with personal attacks and cries to lock the thread? if you want a thread locked because you don't like it then just don't click on the thread. no one is forcing you to stay and read. if you are one of the followers of science then how can you deny proof and resort to personal attacks? let's put all our personal differences aside and review facts instead of opinions...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-29 13:09:12
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
OP presented newly discovered scientific information and the majority of people respond with personal attacks and cries to lock the thread? if you want a thread locked because you don't like it then just don't click on the thread. no one is forcing you to stay and read. if you are one of the followers of science then how can you deny proof and resort to personal attacks? let's put all our personal differences aside and review facts instead of opinions...

If the OP had any grasp of the "facts" and actually had the capacity to do research beyond citing biased, misleading videos, then maybe somebody would be willing to have a real discussion with him. In the meantime, he gets what he deserves.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-29 13:24:48
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
OP presented newly discovered scientific information and the majority of people respond with personal attacks and cries to lock the thread? if you want a thread locked because you don't like it then just don't click on the thread. no one is forcing you to stay and read. if you are one of the followers of science then how can you deny proof and resort to personal attacks? let's put all our personal differences aside and review facts instead of opinions...
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But seriously, didn't the last (I would reference it, but it was deleted instead of locked) thread about fluoride teach you anything?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-04-29 13:28:19
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
OP presented newly discovered scientific information and the majority of people respond with personal attacks and cries to lock the thread? if you want a thread locked because you don't like it then just don't click on the thread. no one is forcing you to stay and read. if you are one of the followers of science then how can you deny proof and resort to personal attacks? let's put all our personal differences aside and review facts instead of opinions...
No, he cited a policy change.
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