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Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-22 09:07:35
Yeah George Bush, not only was he the Diabolical Mastermind of 9/11 he put the whole thing in motion 1,400 years ago while time traveling...
I wonder if I'm wearing any underwear today... Sounds more reasonable than any "Truth and Justice" idea out there.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-01-22 09:09:49
I love how you constantly re-word your statements
I like how he proves his own point wrong and three people + it like it all makes perfect sense...
These problems didn't exist before the Iraqi war
US Role in Iran: -1979
The first iraqi war was in 1990
/types slowly and uses small words
/holds blazed hand
DO YOU SEE HOW THE FIRST NUMBER IS SMALLER THAN THE SECOND NUMBER?
THAT IS BECAUSE IT HAPPENED BEFORE THE IRAQ WAR.... DUH!
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Hey bud, he was referring to The United States of America backing Saddam Hussein before they turn coated on him and destabilized the region. That Iraq war he was talking about was the war between Iran and Iraq. Mind you Iran is 1 out of 3 countries with no central bank. We all should know the Bush family as traitors to our own nation. That same family dealt with Nazi Germany, George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush the whole lot of them dishonor our nation.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-01-22 09:10:56
Not everyone knows this story so...
1,383 years ago or One thousand three hundred and eighty three years ago in 632 AD <-IT'S LIKE...ONLY THREE DIGITS!?
Which, despite blazed idiotic statements, happened ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR YEARS BEFORE THE UNITED STATES DECLARED INDEPENDENCE.
The sunni/shia split occurred.... HOW COULD THAT BE!? DID GEORGE BUSH TRAVEL THROUGH TIME!?
No....
After the death of Muhammad, Muslims who accepted Abu Bakr as the first Caliph became known as Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama'ah or "the people of tradition and unification" in order to differentiate them from the Shia, who rejected Abu Bakr's authority in favor of Ali, whom Sunnis accepted as the fourth Caliph rather than the first.
Perhaps incomprehensibly the United States had nothing at all whatsoever with it in even the most remote way... I don't wish to be part of this discussion, but pointing out the flaws in your post:
-the "Shi'a" referred to in your post and the one predominantly called "Shi'a" today are entirely different groups.
-Nobody implies that the "split" happened because of the US.
-Split != fighting, killing, ergo war.
While the shitty status today in some countries where Shi'a and Sunna are killing each other is heavily fueled by sectarianism, politics do play a role and you can't oversimplify the conflict down to religion. Given the same shitty environment those same people live in, they'll find another reason for conflict, be it ethnic or ideological.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-01-22 09:19:33
-the "Shi'a" referred to in your post and the one predominantly called "Shi'a" today are entirely different groups.
and the proof of your idiotic claim is WHERE!?
We all should know the Bush family as traitors to our own nation. That same family dealt with Nazi Germany, George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush the whole lot of them dishonor our nation.
/shakes his head sadly
I refuse to have a battle of wits with someone so hopelessly unarmed.
I'm pretty sure it's against the TOS
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By Bismarck.Dubai 2015-01-22 09:35:08
Not everyone knows this story so...
1,383 years ago or One thousand three hundred and eighty three years ago in 632 AD <-IT'S LIKE...ONLY THREE DIGITS!?
Which, despite blazed idiotic statements, happened ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR YEARS BEFORE THE UNITED STATES DECLARED INDEPENDENCE.
The sunni/shia split occurred.... HOW COULD THAT BE!? DID GEORGE BUSH TRAVEL THROUGH TIME!?
No....
After the death of Muhammad, Muslims who accepted Abu Bakr as the first Caliph became known as Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama'ah or "the people of tradition and unification" in order to differentiate them from the Shia, who rejected Abu Bakr's authority in favor of Ali, whom Sunnis accepted as the fourth Caliph rather than the first.
Perhaps incomprehensibly the United States had nothing at all whatsoever with it in even the most remote way...
The split actually did not happen right away.
The word Shi'a came out when Omar Bin Al Khattab(raa) became the second caliphate and broke down the Persian empire, due to them being so ego-estic that they still till this day think they are above everyone else, infact they could not stand the fact that an Arab man, who came from the desert of Arabia, as well as had limited cavalry as well as weapons and soldiers took down one of history's greatest empire.
If you look at Shi'a's today, they have special devoted prayers in which curses Omar Bin Al Khataab and his life from how much they hate him.
Edit: I forgot to mention, that both Omar Bin Al Khataab(2nd Caliphate) and Othman(3rd Caliphate) were both assassinated.
PS: Keep in mind, normally Sunni's have absolutely NO problem with Shi'a's, and Sunni's do respect their point of view, whether it's right and wrong, it is their choice and belief.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-01-22 09:49:07
Okay...So, as long as this thread has been up the question has been lingering...Who initially stated here on FFXIAH that all Muslims were terrorists? The damn title is defensive and presumptuous to begin with.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-22 09:51:46
Okay...So, as long as this thread has been up the question has been lingering...Who initially stated here on FFXIAH that all Muslims were terrorists? The damn title is defensive and presumptuous to begin with. I'm sure that somebody will claim that it was all of the conservatives who did.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-22 09:56:13
I blame the Libaservatines.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-01-22 09:57:59
Okay...So, as long as this thread has been up the question has been lingering...Who initially stated here on FFXIAH that all Muslims were terrorists? The damn title is defensive and presumptuous to begin with.
It was me!!!
The split actually did not happen right away.
DUDE.... if we can't agree on the simplest premise. that the problem started A REALLY *** LONG TIME AGO then you sir, are too stupid for help.
I'm not going to waste another second arguing with you about what *** TIME OF THE DAY IT WAS OVER A THOUSAND YEARS AGO WHEN IT HAPPENED.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-01-22 10:18:54
Okay...So, as long as this thread has been up the question has been lingering...Who initially stated here on FFXIAH that all Muslims were terrorists? The damn title is defensive and presumptuous to begin with. I'm sure that somebody will claim that it was all of the conservatives who did.
It was a question that was asked in the title for discussion. Are all Muslims terrorist ? Not Even Close
In my honest opinion to that question i do not think muslims are terrorist. I work with some co-workers who are muslim and honestly i love them they work hard just like me. I feel sorry for the majority who are being blamed by the hatred of a few. The same can be said for anyone advocating faith in general.
There has been a lot of rewording of definitions since 9/11
"Historically, the term terrorism was used to refer to actions taken by governments against their own citizens whereas now it is more often perceived as targeting of non-combatants as part of a strategy directed against governments."
"There is neither an academic nor an international legal consensus regarding the proper definition of the word "terrorism".[6][7] Many scholars believe that the actions of governments can be labeled "terrorism".[8] For example, using the term 'terrorism' to mean violent action used with the predominant intention of causing terror, Paul James and Jonathan Friedman distinguish between state terrorism against non-combatants and state terrorism against combatants, including 'Shock and Awe' tactics:"
Ever since 9/11 the shift of the meaning terrorism has been moved to individuals and groups instead of governments. It should remain with the meaning of " actions taken by governments against their own citizens " as well.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-01-22 10:23:49
/shakes his head sadly
I refuse to have a battle of wits with someone so hopelessly unarmed.
I'm pretty sure it's against the TOS I have come to the conclusion that Lordgrim misspells his name.
The correct spelling should be Loldgrim.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-22 10:25:21
Okay...So, as long as this thread has been up the question has been lingering...Who initially stated here on FFXIAH that all Muslims were terrorists? The damn title is defensive and presumptuous to begin with. I'm sure that somebody will claim that it was all of the conservatives who did.
It was a question that was asked in the title for discussion. Are all Muslims terrorist ? Not Even Close
In my honest opinion to that question i do not think muslims are terrorist. I work with some co-workers who are muslim and honestly i love them they work hard just like me. I feel sorry for the majority who are being blamed by the hatred of a few. The same can be said for anyone advocating faith in general.
There has been a lot of rewording of definitions since 9/11
"Historically, the term terrorism was used to refer to actions taken by governments against their own citizens whereas now it is more often perceived as targeting of non-combatants as part of a strategy directed against governments."
"There is neither an academic nor an international legal consensus regarding the proper definition of the word "terrorism".[6][7] Many scholars believe that the actions of governments can be labeled "terrorism".[8] For example, using the term 'terrorism' to mean violent action used with the predominant intention of causing terror, Paul James and Jonathan Friedman distinguish between state terrorism against non-combatants and state terrorism against combatants, including 'Shock and Awe' tactics:"
Ever since 9/11 the shift of the meaning terrorism has been moved to individuals and groups instead of governments. It should remain with the meaning of " actions taken by governments against their own citizens " as well. It must be nice to live in your fantasy world where a response to a question about who on this website is answered in contempt to the general scapegoat answer several people of a specific political affiliation would answer would be a direct question on the term "terrorist."
I mean, terrorist was a word in the question, but it wasn't the subject matter.
On a more serious note: wikipedia definitions are changed all of the time. That's the beauty of wikipedia, and also the danger of using it as a source: the ability for anyone to alter the article in question.
But seriously, this is a big boy thread. Kindly GTFO and keep to your childish thread.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-01-22 10:28:26
/shakes his head sadly
I refuse to have a battle of wits with someone so hopelessly unarmed.
I'm pretty sure it's against the TOS I have come to the conclusion that Lordgrim misspells his name.
The correct spelling should be Loldgrim.
Wow Chanti so this how you treat those who stick up for you because i did. In the words of Bon jovi " shot through the heart, and your too blame, Chanti you give love, a bad name".
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-22 10:30:53
/shakes his head sadly
I refuse to have a battle of wits with someone so hopelessly unarmed.
I'm pretty sure it's against the TOS I have come to the conclusion that Lordgrim misspells his name.
The correct spelling should be Loldgrim.
Wow Chanti so this how you treat those who stick up for you because i did. In the words of Bon jovi " shot through the heart, and your too blame, Chanti you give love, a bad name". Chanti will never need to have you stick up for her. In fact, nobody in their right mind would ever turn to you for defense of an argument.
It's usually the other way around, and every single time it's not to defend you but to attack somebody else.
You would need to create reasonable and factual arguments first before anyone see you as a way to create a defensive argument for somebody else.....
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-01-22 10:31:45
this is a big boy thread.
have you even read this thing? it is a disaster, & his stupid opinions don't seem to be any better or worse than the trite ***you spew.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-01-22 10:32:03
Wow Chanti so this how you treat those who stick up for you because i did. In the words of Bon jovi " shot through the heart, and your too blame, Chanti you give love, a bad name".
WOW...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-22 10:34:40
this is a big boy thread.
have you even read this thing? it is a disaster, & his stupid opinions don't seem to be any better or worse that the trite ***you spew. Considered the dribble that Lordgrim spews, this thread is beyond his comprehension, even though it's full of ***.
Age scale, this is a 12 year old's thread. But his own thread is infantile.
And please don't consider me to be anywhere near the same level as him.
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By Bismarck.Dubai 2015-01-22 10:35:50
Okay...So, as long as this thread has been up the question has been lingering...Who initially stated here on FFXIAH that all Muslims were terrorists? The damn title is defensive and presumptuous to begin with.
It was me!!!
The split actually did not happen right away.
DUDE.... if we can't agree on the simplest premise. that the problem started A REALLY *** LONG TIME AGO then you sir, are too stupid for help.
I'm not going to waste another second arguing with you about what *** TIME OF THE DAY IT WAS OVER A THOUSAND YEARS AGO WHEN IT HAPPENED.
Whether you want to agree with me or not, it's your choice. I was just correcting your above statement so people do not get wrong information about the Sunni and Shi'a split that you said happened "right after the Prophet's death" which in fact happened a couple of years afterwards. You need to correct your source bubu.
These topics never ceases to amaze me.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-01-22 10:45:22
I was just correcting your above statement about the Sunni and Shi'a split that you said happened "right after the Prophet's death" which in fact happened a couple of years afterwards. You need to correct your source bubu.
No I don't. My point stands uncontested and undisputed. The wikipedia being off a couple years doesn't invalidate my point that the problem started
A REALLY LONG TIME AGO
We are talking about events that took place well over a thousand years before the United States of America Existed in which case the precise date or the correct time of *** day is
COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-01-22 10:46:37
Wow Chanti so this how you treat those who stick up for you because i did. In the words of Bon jovi " shot through the heart, and your too blame, Chanti you give love, a bad name".
WOW...
JUST WOW...
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By Bismarck.Dubai 2015-01-22 10:52:09
I was just correcting your above statement about the Sunni and Shi'a split that you said happened "right after the Prophet's death" which in fact happened a couple of years afterwards. You need to correct your source bubu.
No I don't. My point stands uncontested and undisputed. The wikipedia being off a couple years doesn't invalidate my point that the problem started
A REALLY LONG TIME AGO
We are talking about events that took place well over a thousand years before the United States of America Existed in which case the precise date or the correct time of *** day is
COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT
ok.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-22 10:58:31
You need more oversized words Nik, I don't think Dubai gets it.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-01-22 11:02:40
Now we are getting somewhere!
Now all we have to do is fix the problems rather than continuing to attempt to fix the blame which accomplishes NOTHING.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-22 11:04:07
Now, if only there were youtube videos we could use as evidence against Lordgrim's evidence...
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-01-22 11:04:48
You need more oversized words Nik, I don't think Dubai gets it.
no... I think we are on the brink of an important breakthrough in islamo-american relations....
of course unfortunately it's happening on a third party hack website of a fifteen year old video game only crazy people, myself included, still play...
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-01-22 11:13:48
Now, if only there were youtube videos we could use as evidence against Lordgrim's evidence...
I think we need someone to volunteer to drink the tincture and get into the flotation tank from the movie "Altered States"...
Altered States
Dubai- Try to not get your panties in a bunch if wikipedia got the usa or europe release dates wrong... or something.
Lordgrim- I am making fun of you by suggesting one of us would have to devolve into a chimp~like state in order to have a discussion with you that you would understand... act offended as if you understand the reference.
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-01-22 11:22:57
you know, I didn't think so before this thread started, but the longer it goes on, the more I do think all muslims are terrorists.
By charlo999 2015-01-22 11:43:29
On a more serious note: wikipedia definitions are changed all of the time. That's the beauty of wikipedia, and also the danger of using it as a source: the ability for anyone to alter the article in question.
So
you've established youtube can't be used as a medium to portray information from other more reliable sources and experts, because of its multi use with entertainment and other things.
Wiki can't be used as a source because it can be changed.
Mainstream media can't be used, as we've mentioned, because each has its own agenda politicly, and can skew reports.
I'm interested in what sources you deem applicable.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-01-22 11:45:44
-Nobody implies that the "split" happened because of the US.
-Split != fighting, killing, ergo war.
-the "Shi'a" referred to in your post and the one predominantly called "Shi'a" today are entirely different groups.
and the proof of your idiotic claim is WHERE!?So I take it that's the only part you "politely" disagreed with?
And you're demanding proof of a claim while you didn't provide any for yours?
If you knew anything about Twelvers you'd have a clue. Try to comprehend what's written on wikipedia better than that.
It's interesting that your only "contributions" so far are nothing but childish drivel.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-22 11:50:45
On a more serious note: wikipedia definitions are changed all of the time. That's the beauty of wikipedia, and also the danger of using it as a source: the ability for anyone to alter the article in question.
So
you've established youtube can't be used as a medium to portray information from other more reliable sources and experts, because of its multi use with entertainment and other things.
Wiki can't be used as a source because it can be changed.
Mainstream media can't be used, as we've mentioned, because each has its own agenda politicly, and can skew reports.
I'm interested in what sources you deem applicable. If you refer to "mainstream media" to be the same as "mainstream news articles" then you are incorrect. While there is bias in the reporting of articles, as long as you are able to take the biased out (and not all articles are reported in a biased way, even from the most biased of news outlets, even huffington post gets something right every now and then) and present the events and facts, that can be used as a source.
But another perfectly acceptable source could be (not always) peer-reviewed journal articles. You know, articles you don't see everyday (or in your case, ever).
Quote: What percentage of terror attacks in the United States and Europe are committed by Muslims? Guess. Nope. Guess again. And again...
“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Sure, we heard Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade say it, but to me, that was simply part of the Fox News plan to make their viewers dumber, as we saw again this past weekend when its terrorism “expert” Steve Emerson was caught fabricating the story that Birmingham, England, is closed to non-Muslims. But more alarmingly, even some reasonable people have uttered this statement.
And that comment is often followed up by the question: Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists?
Obviously, there are people who sincerely view themselves as Muslims who have committed horrible acts in the name of Islam. We Muslims can make the case that their actions are not based on any part of the faith but on their own political agenda. But they are Muslims, no denying that.
However, and this will probably shock many, so you might want to take a breath: Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims. Let’s give that a moment to sink in.
Now, it’s not your fault if you aren’t aware of that fact. You can blame the media. (Yes, Sarah Palin and I actually agree on one thing: The mainstream media sucks.)
So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.
As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers.
We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on.
Have you heard of these incidents? Probably not. But if Muslims had committed them do you think you our media would’ve covered it? No need to answer, that’s a rhetorical question.
Even after one of the worst terror attacks ever in Europe in 2011, when Anders Breivik slaughtered 77 people in Norway to further his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and pro-“Christian Europe” agenda as he stated in his manifesto, how much press did we see in the United States? Yes, it was covered, but not the way we see when a Muslim terrorist is involved. Plus we didn’t see terrorism experts fill the cable news sphere asking how we can stop future Christian terrorists. In fact, even the suggestion that Breivik was a “Christian terrorist” was met with outrage by many, including Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly.
Have you heard about the Buddhist terrorists? Well, extremist Buddhists have killed many Muslim civilians in Burma, and just a few months ago in Sri Lanka, some went on a violent rampage burning down Muslim homes and businesses and slaughtering four Muslims.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers in what are known as “price tag” attacks. These Jewish terrorists attacked Palestinian civilians causing physical injuries to 93 of them and also vandalized scores of mosques and Christian churches.
Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.
And as a 2014 study by University of North Carolina found, since the 9/11 attacks, Muslim-linked terrorism has claimed the lives of 37 Americans. In that same time period, more than 190,000 Americans were murdered (PDF).
In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.
But our media simply do not cover the non-Muslim terror attacks with same gusto. Why? It’s a business decision. Stories about scary “others” play better. It’s a story that can simply be framed as good versus evil with Americans being the good guy and the brown Muslim as the bad.
Honestly, when is the last time we heard the media refer to those who attack abortion clinics as “Christian terrorists,” even though these attacks occur at one of every five reproductive health-care facilities? That doesn’t sell as well. After all we are a so-called Christian nation, so that would require us to look at the enemy within our country, and that makes many uncomfortable. Or worse, it makes them change the channel.
That’s the same reason we don’t see many stories about how to reduce the 30 Americans killed each day by gun violence or the three women per day killed by domestic violence. But the media will have on expert after expert discussing how can we stop these scary brown Muslims from killing any more Americans despite the fact you actually have a better chance of being killed by a refrigerator falling on you.
Look, this article is not going to change the media’s business model. But what I hope it does is cause some to realize that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, they are actually a very small percent of those that are. Now, I’m not saying to ignore the dangers posed by Islamic radicals. I’m just saying look out for those refrigerators.
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