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15 questions for the evolutionists of AH.com
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-09-22 08:22:03
I tried to go to conservapedia, one of the links on the front page was "Dinosaurs."
I learned that dinosaurs are only 6,000 years old and "co-existed with humans, thus debunking the Theory of Evolution..." Also that all dinosaurs were vegetarians and Noah took dinosaurs onto the ark as well! Apparently the confusion of dragon mythos can be explained that dragons were just dinosaurs who lived side by side with civilized man and that radiological dating can't be trusted.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Dinosaur
Someone please tell me that entire website is just a big troll.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-09-22 08:22:41
Asura.Refreshazure said: »
I'm waiting for your criticisms unlike Kooljack I accept criticism and use it to advance my debating skills.
I'm assuming you're fighting for Islam?
98% of the top scientists are atheist and a agnostic over 70% of the rest are as well
the religious people continue to try to say science is on my side science is on my side. this is not true only a small super minority even thinks about God snapping his fingers and making things come into existence.
Islam is one of the most extremist forces for setting back the world today it has unprecedented repression of women's rights sexual rights and human rights you can just turn on the TV or just go to Islamic pastor yourself and they will tell you women are less than men in the name of their God.
it is about time that society wakes up and says Islam we no longer fear you and stand up to them and if they choose not to back down we take care of them once and for all just to improve society.
you are correct though Kooljack and I are polar opposites he wants the world to remain as is in its pool of ignorance hatred and despair.
why I want to change things I want to get rid of the things causing more racism sexism and extremism.
the greatest step we can take is to start getting rid of creationism which the most advanced countries in the world already have.
then we can begin our work on Christianity and Islam.
if you're saying but the world can't survive without Islam and Christianity.
well China and Japan seem to be doing just fine so that's kind of a False argument.
You clearly never travelled to a muslim country and also you never went to china/japan neither.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2014-09-22 08:29:28
Asura.Refreshazure said: »I'm waiting for your criticisms unlike Kooljack I accept criticism and use it to advance my debating skills.
I'm assuming you're fighting for Islam?
98% of the top scientists are atheist and a agnostic over 70% of the rest are as well
the religious people continue to try to say science is on my side science is on my side. this is not true only a small super minority even thinks about God snapping his fingers and making things come into existence.
Islam is one of the most extremist forces for setting back the world today it has unprecedented repression of women's rights sexual rights and human rights you can just turn on the TV or just go to Islamic pastor yourself and they will tell you women are less than men in the name of their God.
it is about time that society wakes up and says Islam we no longer fear you and stand up to them and if they choose not to back down we take care of them once and for all just to improve society.
you are correct though Kooljack and I are polar opposites he wants the world to remain as is in its pool of ignorance hatred and despair.
why I want to change things I want to get rid of the things causing more racism sexism and extremism.
the greatest step we can take is to start getting rid of creationism which the most advanced countries in the world already have.
then we can begin our work on Christianity and Islam.
if you're saying but the world can't survive without Islam and Christianity.
well China and Japan seem to be doing just fine so that's kind of a False argument. As if China and Japan don't have any problems >.> that's not a good argument. Funny enough, Japan's population is expected to steadily decline, and the elderly represent a relatively large percentage of their population (and it is increasing).
Must be proof that they need religion to "survive"!
Yes, there is a lot of wrong in this world, and you're probably young and passionate about trying to fix what you can, but if your emotions get the better of you, you'll end up making lots of wrong judgments.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-22 08:31:36
But nobody can prove anything one way or another, which is why fighting about whether or not there is a god is absolutely pointless. I get antagonistic towards people and their idiocy in trying to prove the existence of god or the lack of one, but people shouldn't be antagonistic towards each other based simply upon their belief in a god or not. It's incredibly stupid.
Apparently you forgot all about the eternal reward/punishments being doled out over in aisle 3. Why do you think people care so much about proving themselves right?
Getting this question wrong for the theist is a trip to a lava bath for eternity vs. paved roads of literal rainbows and gold. Like El Dorado but more Greco-Roman with angelic togas 'n ***.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-22 08:34:36
I tried to go to conservapedia, one of the links on the front page was "Dinosaurs."
I learned that dinosaurs are only 6,000 years old and "co-existed with humans, thus debunking the Theory of Evolution..." Also that all dinosaurs were vegetarians and Noah took dinosaurs onto the ark as well! Apparently the confusion of dragon mythos can be explained that dragons were just dinosaurs who lived side by side with civilized man and that radiological dating can't be trusted.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Dinosaur
Someone please tell me that entire website is just a big troll.
I was under the impression that dinosaurs were still around in the mid to late 1980's! How else did we get the gem 'Walk the Dinosaur'? Thanks, Conservapedia! Now, explain the dance.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2014-09-22 08:35:43
so you can't respond logically when confronted with paradox's within you're belief? got it!
come get me logic people who think i'm the delusional one; answer something
This is post number two. Unless I misunderstood what the phrase "come get me" means, I'd say this was his intention off the cuff. Post number two is a reply to post number one, haven't you seen post number one?
I don't want to go read the other thread, they probably have been going at it like that, at least Kooljack started a thread with specific questions that could be answered. I don't see anything provoking in that (and the title isn't provocative, neither). The provocation started at the first reply.
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By Asura.Triffle 2014-09-22 08:38:34
These questions have all been either answered in the previous thread where you completely ignored them because there is no way to change the mind of a creationist as they don't have an ounce of free thought in their empty skulls or from a 10 second Google search.
Seriously if you actually cared for the answers, you'd find them yourself. The problem with your kind, creationist, is that no matter how much evidence is given to you, you will ignore it. The only answer you accept is that the magic man in the sky on his flying horse did it and you won't be happy until the rest of the planet agrees with you. You don't care about logical answers that are backed up by facts, so why do you bother to pretend that you care about them? The only logical answer would be the one that Drax gives so eloquently.
By fonewear 2014-09-22 08:42:57
I've got 99 problems but making evolution threads isn't one !
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-22 08:43:00
I don't want to go read the other thread That's your problem. Hardly anyone bothers to reply seriously to Kooljack here because he's already shown very well what kind of person he is in the other thread.
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By fonewear 2014-09-22 08:45:38
You should read my entire post.
This is the internet no one reads.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-09-22 08:45:41
Asura.Refreshazure said: »
yet we try to speak in real words here most of the time
it's creationist versus people who can read a book or basic Google Search.
Quote: You clearly never travelled to a muslim country and also you never went to china/japan neither.
Hey whatever man your faith let you believe whatever you that's what it's for.
How is that even an answer, did you travel to any of those country or not ?
Clearly if you think china/japan have no religion issue and woman in muslim country are subhuman that can't do stuff, you need less TV and more travel lol
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-09-22 08:48:03
Asura.Refreshazure said: »Quote: As if China and Japan don't have any problems >.> that's not a good argument. Funny enough, Japan's population is expected to steadily decline, and the elderly represent a relatively large percentage of their population (and it is increasing).
Must be proof that they need religion to "survive"!
Yes, there is a lot of wrong in this world, and you're probably young and passionate about trying to fix what you can, but if your emotions get the better of you, you'll end up making lots of wrong judgments.
Once again another straw man of me is created don't worry about it happens a lot
I stated that Japan and China don't have any religious problems I am well aware of the Japanese population problem.
Wait... Wut?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_China
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-22 08:50:00
If an issue is present on side X it does not excuse it on side Y. It might not be an exclusive problem, but it still is a problem of Y.
Y being islamic society in this case.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-09-22 08:55:41
Asura.Refreshazure said: »
Oh good someone on here is more educated on the world problems than I expected
"I will claim BS hoping no one know the truth to try to prove my point"
Ok if that is how you're gonna keep doing this(2nd time at least that you admit to this) I'm out.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2014-09-22 08:56:03
Asura.Refreshazure said: »I stated that Japan and China don't have any religious problems I am well aware of the Japanese population problem But they have other problems. It must be because they deserted religion.
But! the UAE is doing fine while being a Muslim country. It must be because they adhere to Islam.
See how superficial that line of thinking is?
You talk about strawman when you made a lot of assumptions about me.
Asura.Refreshazure said: »you think I am some sort of emo atheist because you believe in a stereotype created by your particular religion so you continue to make straw man snored to make yourself feel better Take a minute to read the last 20 posts you made, see what picture you're painting yourself as.
And notice how quickly you tried to turn this into an "ISLAM IS BAD - FACT" debate with a "come at me bro" attitude.
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By fonewear 2014-09-22 08:57:55
These questions have all been either answered in the previous thread where you completely ignored them because there is no way to change the mind of a creationist as they don't have an ounce of free thought in their empty skulls or from a 10 second Google search.
Seriously if you actually cared. Going to stop you right there...caring stopped for me after the epic OP
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-09-22 08:59:13
Asura.Refreshazure said: »Oh good someone on here is more educated on the world problems than I expected
China is just doing its best job to keep Christianity from destroying its culture I don't really consider that a religious problem at the moment China's keeping everything line and they're doing a good job.
Tibet is a whole different debate that I currently don't have info open on we can talk about Tibet maybe Wednesday sound good?
Kind of dealing with Christianity Islam and creationism at the moment. sorry if I can't read up more about tibet but I'm more focused on the side of the world at the moment.
Tibet is really off topic than what I'm focused on at the moment.
So outlawing religious freedom, government control over religion, and the oppression of another religion is totally cool in your book?
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-09-22 08:59:58
Religiots amuse me
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-09-22 09:04:11
.... Someone please tell me that entire website is just a big troll. Proof that you CAN have your own facts.
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-09-22 09:06:10
You do understand that there are plenty of Muslims and mosques in the US right?
By fonewear 2014-09-22 09:06:48
I'm in a mosque right now actually...my religion changes with the seasons.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2014-09-22 09:10:10
People seem not to like the answer "We don't know". That's what makes science exiting researching and finding out things that we didn't know before.
1.) How did life originate? Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted, “Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell.”1 Andrew Knoll, professor of biology, Harvard, said, “we don’t really know how life originated on this planet”.2 A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even one average-sized functional protein would form. So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?
2.) How did the DNA code originate? The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen). What other coding system has existed without intelligent design? How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?
3.) How could mutations—accidental copying mistakes (DNA ‘letters’ exchanged, deleted or added, genes duplicated, chromosome inversions, etc.)—create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things? How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist? There is information for how to make proteins but also for controlling their use—much like a cookbook contains the ingredients as well as the instructions for how and when to use them. One without the other is useless. See: Meta-information: An impossible conundrum for evolution. Mutations are known for their destructive effects, including over 1,000 human diseases such as hemophilia. Rarely are they even helpful. But how can scrambling existing DNA information create a new biochemical pathway or nano-machines with many components, to make ‘goo-to-you’ evolution possible? E.g., How did a 32-component rotary motor like ATP synthase (which produces the energy currency, ATP, for all life), or robots like kinesin (a ‘postman’ delivering parcels inside cells) originate?
4.) Why is natural selection, a principle recognized by creationists, taught as ‘evolution’, as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life? By definition it is a selective process (selecting from already existing information), so is not a creative process. It might explain the survival of the fittest (why certain genes benefit creatures more in certain environments), but not the arrival of the fittest (where the genes and creatures came from in the first place). The death of individuals not adapted to an environment and the survival of those that are suited does not explain the origin of the traits that make an organism adapted to an environment. E.g., how do minor back-and-forth variations in finch beaks explain the origin of beaks or finches? How does natural selection explain goo-to-you evolution?
5.) How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate? (This video simply explains the concept of a short biochemical pathway.) Every pathway and nano-machine requires multiple protein/enzyme components to work. How did lucky accidents create even one of the components, let alone 10 or 20 or 30 at the same time, often in a necessary programmed sequence. Evolutionary biochemist Franklin Harold wrote, “we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations.”3
6.) Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? Richard Dawkins wrote, “biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed with a purpose.”4 Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the double helix structure of DNA, wrote, “Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved.”5 The problem for evolutionists is that living things show too much design. Who objects when an archaeologist says that pottery points to human design? Yet if someone attributes the design in living things to a designer, that is not acceptable. Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?
7.) How did multi-cellular life originate? How did cells adapted to individual survival ‘learn’ to cooperate and specialize (including undergoing programmed cell death) to create complex plants and animals?
8.) How did sex originate? Asexual reproduction gives up to twice as much reproductive success (‘fitness’) for the same resources as sexual reproduction, so how could the latter ever gain enough advantage to be selected? And how could mere physics and chemistry invent the complementary apparatuses needed at the same time (non-intelligent processes cannot plan for future coordination of male and female organs).
9.) Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing? Darwin noted the problem and it still remains. The evolutionary family trees in textbooks are based on imagination, not fossil evidence. Famous Harvard paleontologist (and evolutionist), Stephen Jay Gould, wrote, “The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology”.6 Other evolutionist fossil experts also acknowledge the problem.
10.) How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years, if evolution has changed worms into humans in the same time frame? Professor Gould wrote, “the maintenance of stability within species must be considered as a major evolutionary problem.”7
11.) How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality? If everything evolved, and we invented God, as per evolutionary teaching, what purpose or meaning is there to human life? Should students be learning nihilism (life is meaningless) in science classes?
12.) Why is evolutionary ‘just-so’ story-telling tolerated? Evolutionists often use flexible story-telling to ‘explain’ observations contrary to evolutionary theory. NAS(USA) member Dr Philip Skell wrote, “Darwinian explanations for such things are often too supple: Natural selection makes humans self-centered and aggressive—except when it makes them altruistic and peaceable. Or natural selection produces virile men who eagerly spread their seed—except when it prefers men who are faithful protectors and providers. When an explanation is so supple that it can explain any behavior, it is difficult to test it experimentally, much less use it as a catalyst for scientific discovery.”8
13.) Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Dr Marc Kirschner, chair of the Department of Systems Biology, Harvard Medical School, stated: “In fact, over the last 100 years, almost all of biology has proceeded independent of evolution, except evolutionary biology itself. Molecular biology, biochemistry, physiology, have not taken evolution into account at all.”9 Dr Skell wrote, “It is our knowledge of how these organisms actually operate, not speculations about how they may have arisen millions of years ago, that is essential to doctors, veterinarians, farmers … .”10 Evolution actually hinders medical discovery.11 Then why do schools and universities teach evolution so dogmatically, stealing time from experimental biology that so benefits humankind?
14.) Science involves experimenting to figure out how things work; how they operate. Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as this operational science? You cannot do experiments, or even observe what happened, in the past. Asked if evolution has been observed, Richard Dawkins said, “Evolution has been observed. It’s just that it hasn’t been observed while it’s happening.”12
15.) Why is a fundamentally religious idea, a dogmatic belief system that fails to explain the evidence, taught in science classes? Karl Popper, famous philosopher of science, said “Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical [religious] research programme ….”13 Michael Ruse, evolutionist science philosopher admitted, “Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.”14 If “you can’t teach religion in science classes”, why is evolution taught?
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