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 Bismarck.Dubai
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By Bismarck.Dubai 2014-09-22 04:27:54
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Asura.Refreshazure said: »
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so either this was a great troll or someone is butthurt that people believe in evolution.

evolution exists with or without God. It neither disproves or proves the existence. Using anything in this world to prove God exists or to cause people to believe in Him is not the right way and it wont work.

If you could prove the existence of God then people wouldnt need faith.

I like how people take ridiculous religious blog writings and think they are great tools to use in the fight against the non-believers. Go home 'kool' jack you're drunk.

Actually evolution and can be use as a fact that the Christian deity is such a freak bad designer can be a very strong argument( one of many) against the Christian deity.

why did he make humans with such bad design. he's a all-knowing deity of the universe yet he creates a creature in his own image that with decaying cells easy to destroy internal organs a very messed up skeletal system no wings horrible eyesight we eat the same spot we take in air we also released waste near our sexual organs which can cause all sorts of infections.

most humans are not even intelligent enough to know what I'm implying reached a higher level of cognitive thought in order to think about it That is also bed design.

and I'm not insulting them I'm just asking them to think.

blind watchmaker http://uath.org/download/literature/Richard.Dawkins.The.Blind.Watchmaker.pdf


going to relink the rational wiki just in case some of you are coming even close to thinking like Kooljack.

Here are the answers to his 15 insane questions.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Question_Evolution


edit: I think Kooljack left thinking he stumped us with his creationist ministries list. . he probably relieving himself of future possible people existences.

it not any fun if they immediately run away

I'm guessing you would prefer your p*n*s in the place of your nose and your eyes on the back of your head? lol

In my opinion, I would say our design as humans, whether anyone believes in God or not is quite great.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-09-22 04:29:36
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Because creating a fully-functional model isn't the point. Unfortunately, practically all mainstream religions do a really bad job of explaining why we need to go through a state of imperfection and mortality to begin with, so I can't blame people for not understanding.
That's convenient.
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By Siren.Sieha 2014-09-22 04:31:41
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Asura.Refreshazure said: »
Actually evolution and can be use as a fact that the Christian deity is such a freak bad designer can be a very strong argument( one of many) against the Christian deity.

yes and no. The original theory of evolution had nothing to do with man coming from apes. It was about species adapting to its changing environment.

creating life forms that can change and adapt is pretty smart, specially if you dont want to have to baby sit them every time the planet gets closer to the sun.

talking from a biblical stand point, humans used to live for many hundreds of years. Why do they not now, probably global warming or Illuminati. If we didnt break down then there would be no reason for procreation and/or we would over populate quicker then we are now.

Why are humans like they are? who knows. (biblical answer, no one can understand the plan of God.)

End the end I am not saying either way is right, only that it can go both ways. this is because the art of arguing is based on making whatever a person thinks, sound logical and work within their beliefs. It doesnt matter if its right or wrong.

Good example: lets take the wings thing. God made man in his own image, the angels were not made in his image, therefore God doesnt have wings so we dont either. (again dont get me wrong, I am just making this up.)

Each person has their reason to believe or not believe in God. That is their business, and its none of anyone else. Trying to make people believe is just stupid, even in the Bible it says sow the seed not force it down their throat. when it becomes an argument, peoples feelings get hurt and they defend their thought which leads to threads like this.
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By Siren.Sieha 2014-09-22 04:34:24
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Because creating a fully-functional model isn't the point. Unfortunately, practically all mainstream religions do a really bad job of explaining why we need to go through a state of imperfection and mortality to begin with, so I can't blame people for not understanding.
That's convenient.

Its also very convenient that God doesnt exist. What if he does? What if everything people have been saying is true. That would be very inconvenient. (again not saying anything specifically but just pointing out that it works both ways)
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By Bismarck.Dubai 2014-09-22 04:37:08
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Siren.Sieha said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Because creating a fully-functional model isn't the point. Unfortunately, practically all mainstream religions do a really bad job of explaining why we need to go through a state of imperfection and mortality to begin with, so I can't blame people for not understanding.
That's convenient.

Its also very convenient that God doesnt exist. What if he does? What if everything people have been saying is true. That would be very inconvenient. (again not saying anything specifically but just pointing out that it works both ways)

"To each his own".
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-09-22 04:45:51
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Siren.Sieha said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Because creating a fully-functional model isn't the point. Unfortunately, practically all mainstream religions do a really bad job of explaining why we need to go through a state of imperfection and mortality to begin with, so I can't blame people for not understanding.
That's convenient.

Its also very convenient that God doesnt exist. What if he does? What if everything people have been saying is true. That would be very inconvenient. (again not saying anything specifically but just pointing out that it works both ways)
It actually wouldn't be inconvenient at all. No recorded phenomena as of yet require or are contingent upon divine intervention. But I do appreciate your previous post. I don't believe I've seen creationism presented that way.
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By Asura.Ackeronll 2014-09-22 04:45:53
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Asura.Refreshazure said: »

this is the clam made in the bible .

Perfect Title for a porno.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-22 04:47:36
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I will say this: The "take my word for it" mentality that so many religions (and sometimes even science) rely on is absolutely deplorable. Whether there is or isn't a god, people really need to take the time to consider the possibility that whatever conclusion they've come to could be wrong. Explore all the possibilities, and think. Complacency is not your friend.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-09-22 04:50:19
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I see more hate from evolutionist than creationist on this thread!(btw you can be both(or not believe in both)so I should have said more hate from "anti creationist than pro creationist!)
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-22 04:50:26
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adam and eve where made perfect in god image it says right there in the book and is preach all the time.

Yeah, your arguments need work. You haven't even considered the idea that many religions have that their fall is what brought about the imperfections of the human race.

Edit: Also, point out where it says they were perfect in the first place. You don't find that in the KJV.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2014-09-22 04:58:27
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I have 0 problem with religion being taught in schools, at school we had a compulsory subject called religious education, religion is a major part of the world and we should be educated on the major religions.

My only criticism of it was that it was very Christianity focusses, understandable in a sense as it is the major religion in the UK but I think it would have been beneficial to hear more about the other major religions.

I got an A in my Religious Education GCSE as well so now I can big up my CV with 10 A-C grades thanks to that solitary A.

What religion has no place in, is a science class, especially when it comes to explaining the concept of evolution, they contradict eachother.

Anyway if it isn't obvious yet, I'm atheist and I very much reject all religions as nonsense, my biggest criticism being that when in science something can't be explained, we say we don't know but we want to find out, whereas religious people historically have said, we don't know, therefore God.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-22 05:00:20
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Asura.Refreshazure said: »
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adam and eve where made perfect in god image it says right there in the book and is preach all the time.

Yeah, your arguments need work. You haven't even considered the idea that many religions have that their fall is what brought about the imperfections of the human race.

i just pointed out multi times i was talking about christian and islam god plz read and not try to https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman


any way here have more alt history.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Mystery:Why_Do_Non-Conservatives_Exist%3F

I was talking about Christianity, genius. Can you even cite your claim or is that too much to ask? You're making a fool of yourself. Also, you can't try to claim I'm using a strawman and then throw conservapedia articles at me as if I actually read that trash. Try harder.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-22 05:00:54
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
If you came here for a thoughtful analysis of the subject matter with people who treat others with respect despite having differing opinions, you're in the wrong forums.
I disagree with this. While it's not true to everyone, there are still many posters who are willing, and will have constructive conversations.

The problem here is Kooljack.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-22 05:02:36
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
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If you came here for a thoughtful analysis of the subject matter with people who treat others with respect despite having differing opinions, you're in the wrong forums.
I disagree with this. While it's not true to everyone, there are still many posters who are willing, and will have constructive conversations.

The problem here is Kooljack.

If you think the only problem here is Kooljack, you're either very biased or not paying attention. The problem is that the ones willing to have constructive conversations aren't the ones with huge post counts who typically fill up the pages.

Edit: I wasn't necessarily referring to you at the end there.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-22 05:09:53
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There isn't a complete sentence in that entire post.

Edit: If English isn't your first language, that's fine, but I can't even respond to that as is.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2014-09-22 05:15:56
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
There isn't a complete sentence in that entire post.

Edit: If English isn't your first language, that's fine, but I can't even respond to that as is.
Ad hominem.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-22 05:17:33
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Okay, now that you've edited a tad, I guess I can make out your argument.

Counter-argument: If faith is part of the test, how much sense would it make to leave behind absolute proof of anything miraculous that would serve as proof of God's existence? Is an omnipotent god incapable of hiding evidence from us morons on earth? I know that's "convenient", but people don't seem to consider that possibility often.

Cerberus.Tidis said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
There isn't a complete sentence in that entire post.

Edit: If English isn't your first language, that's fine, but I can't even respond to that as is.
Ad hominem.

Wasn't meant to be, I honestly didn't have a clue what was being said.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-22 05:22:24
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See my previous argument. You're making the claim that if there isn't evidence, it didn't happen. If an omnipotent being doesn't want there to be evidence, there won't be.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-22 05:28:16
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See my previous argument. You're making the claim that if there isn't evidence, it didn't happen. If an omnipotent being doesn't want there to be evidence, there won't be.


How convenient.. This is why faith is so messed up instead of looking at the actual evidence you just go well God could just do this instead.

I don't do things that way, I was just countering your argument. If I don't have proof of something, I attribute it to nothing and consider the possibilities.

I did say before that it was "convenient" that there is no scientific proof, but again, a lack of proof does not disqualify the existence of anything.

Asura.Refreshazure said: »
but Johnny created multiple Rainbows over Israel and all the Middle East he just hid the evidence afterwards.

You can't disprove it because faith

I'm not necessarily saying that. There is evidence of floods that have occurred in the supposed time frame of Noah's Ark, though we went over that in a different thread and I'm not going there again. I'm just saying it makes no sense for there to be proof of a miracle if faith is required.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-22 05:34:01
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Asura.Refreshazure said: »
and were pretty sure the flood and Adam and Eve and the history of the Middle East that claim to happen in the Bible pretty much didn't happen.

"Pretty sure". Well, I'm absolutely sure to change the way I think because people somewhere are "pretty sure" it didn't happen. You know, uncited people from uncited studies using uncited scientific methods.

Asura.Refreshazure said: »
So if the events where the Christian God appeared did not happen then why should we believe the Christian God exist what evidence is there?

Because you don't know they didn't happen. Good luck proving it. Next topic.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-22 05:37:09
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Asura.Refreshazure said: »
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I'm not necessarily saying that. There is evidence of floods that have occurred in the supposed time frame of Noah's Ark, though we went over that in a different thread and I'm not going there again. I'm just saying it makes no sense for there to be proof of a miracle if faith is required.

Well it appears are conversations is over you seem to be out of touch with physical reality so therefore there is no way I can have a rational debate anymore. if for not even talking the same Physical history vs imaginary history.

No, you just suck at debating. I'm not trying to convince you of anything or even prove anything. You're the one trying to prove something and you're failing. By the way, of the two of us, only one of us is an actual scientist. Guess which one of us that is. If you're done, good day then.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-22 05:40:49
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
If you think the only problem here is Kooljack, you're either very biased or not paying attention
I didn't say he's the only problem on the forum. I'm aware there are people who are on the same side as me on many topics, but are absolutely horrible to argue with.

But this whole thing was started by Kooljack and seemed to turn into a "war on Kooljack". The fact is it really isn't. The guy is just beyond reasoning for anyone to connect with him.
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