Bundy Ranch, Militia OTW.

Anyone point out that the fed response so far probably has a dollar value of well over twice whatever they think Bundy owes them?

Way to go feds! With management skills like that we should just let em manage all our wealth!

We will leave the guessing to you, not that the exact dollar figure changes anything at all.

That's some Fight Club level automobile-manufacturer-recall nonsense right there.

He kicked a dog. AWW HELL NAW

Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees
February 14, 1986


By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:

Section 1. Determination of Fees. The Secretaries of Agriculture and the Interior are directed to exercise their authority, to the extent permitted by law under the various statutes they administer, to establish fees for domestic livestock grazing on the public rangelands which annually equals the $1.23 base established by the 1966 Western Livestock Grazing Survey multiplied by the result of the Forage Value Index (computed annually from data supplied by the Statistical Reporting Service) added to the Combined Index (Beef Cattle Price Index minus the Prices Paid Index) and divided by 100; provided, that the annual increase or decrease in such fee for any given year shall be limited to not more than plus or minus 25 percent of the previous year's fee, and provided further, that the fee shall not be less than $1.35 per animal unit month.

Sec. 2. Definitions. As used in this Order, the term:

(a) ``Public rangelands'' has the same meaning as in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 (Public Law 95 - 514);

(b) ``Forage Value Index'' means the weighted average estimate of the annual rental charge per head per month for pasturing cattle on private rangelands in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service from the June Enumerative Survey) divided by $3.65 and multiplied by 100;

(c) ``Beef Cattle Price Index'' means the weighted average annual selling price for beef cattle (excluding calves) in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) for November through October (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service) divided by $22.04 per hundred weight and multiplied by 100; and

(d) ``Prices Paid Index'' means the following selected components from the Statistical Reporting Service's Annual National Index of Prices Paid by Farmers for Goods and Services adjusted by the weights indicated in parentheses to reflect livestock production costs in the Western States: 1. Fuels and Energy (14.5); 2. Farm and Motor Supplies (12.0); 3. Autos and Trucks (4.5); 4. Tractors and Self-Propelled Machinery (4.5); 5. Other Machinery (12.0); 6. Building and Fencing Materials (14.5); 7. Interest (6.0); 8. Farm Wage Rates (14.0); 9. Farm Services (18.0).

Sec. 3. Any and all existing rules, practices, policies, and regulations relating to the administration of the formula for grazing fees in section 6(a) of the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 shall continue in full force and effect.

Sec. 4. This Order shall be effective immediately.

Ronald Reagan

The White House,

February 14, 1986.

[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 10:32 a.m., February 18, 1986]

God so many freaking idiots holding their cell phones up, yeah that'll protect you from tasers and dogs

When all else fails, repeat lies until they become the truth.

Don't worry, Nausi. When the government takes everything this welfare queen owns, I'm sure they'll be able to cover your made up expense numbers.

Only read the article and first couple pages of the thread, no time to get totally caught up atm, but:

Any time militia folks get involved, I fear for the worst.

The Second Amendment allows for a well regulated militia.

But let's be honest. There's nothing well-regulated about a bunch of rednecks who think they're all alpha males because they played quarterback in high school football 25 years ago.

Guys who have twenty years of pent-up aggression that they just can't get rid of by beating their wives and children anymore. Guys who are just sick of these women and gays and foreigners all thinking they've got as many rights as red-blooded, white American men.

Oh, and they've stocked up to the brim with as many high-powered firearms and munitions as they can get their hands on through legal/semi-legal means.

And now they think they're going to spearhead the next great American Revolution because some *** rancher feels he doesn't have to pay appropriate fees for his cattle?

Seriously. If you've never done it, Youtube some militia videos. They're frightening, but not for the reasons the posters intend.

Overzealous federal agents who can't manage their superiority complex.

Too bad his opinion has no bearing on the law, Altima v2.

Oh right, I keep forgetting.

If anyone disagrees with Jet, it obviously means that they are a neocon troll...

How can I ever forget that?

You know what are scarier than militia nuts, who stockpile guns and don't really bother anyone while they do? Overzealous federal agents who can't manage their superiority complex.

You know what are scarier than militia nuts, who stockpile guns and don't really bother anyone while they do? Overzealous federal agents who can't manage their superiority complex.

In no way this department/these workers could be considered overly zealous, they've given this rancher way more than enough leniency, he's been given more than enough time to comply with the court order it's about time they arrest him for contempt of court and seize his assets for the debt he owes.

Or are you going to sit here and also argue that this hasn't already been to court and decided already?

So if someone doesn't pay me what I think they owe me, I can taze em?

Got that 30 bucks you owe me? You'd better...

If you have a bunch of ignorant rednecks causing a scene and attacking people/animals, then yes they can taze your ***.

However I don't even think that Bundy got tazed.

The other thing is: he does owe the money, there's no disputing this.

We can agree the court says he does, If I hire someone for a service and they don't perform the service for me, I don't generally pay them for it.

So if someone doesn't pay me what I think they owe me, I can taze em?

Got that 30 bucks you owe me? You'd better...

We can agree the court says he does, If I hire someone for a service and they don't perform the service for me, I don't generally pay them for it.

It's only when its the government that agents show up to taze your supporters

So if someone doesn't pay me what I think they owe me, I can taze em?

Got that 30 bucks you owe me? You'd better...

Stop kicking dogs and maybe you won't get tazed...

You'd better let my dog attack you or else if you try and defend yourself I'll taze you!