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New impeachment scam thread. Nice people only.
 Ragnarok.Ozment
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-20 08:10:27
Zelensky's safe, scripted words mean nothing. Especially when we have all of these Americans testifying the exact opposite.
His statements weren't safe and scripted, he was adamant on telling anyone and everyone that he wasn't pressured into doing anything. He was offended that people were suggesting otherwise.
No one knows anything of the sort, nor can anyone make this absurd claim as to what his intentions are or how he feels.
Ragnarok.Ozment
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-20 08:14:22
Shoot at this rate there should be an investigation into the Obama administration
but Clinton, but but Obama...butter emails! Many cases of Obama Derangement Syndrome is popping up over this impeachment inquiry. Actually I was referring to election fruad. If they really wanted to pursue the whole narrative that trump is illegitimate and they wanted to out him on that they should've looked into how the former administration worked to secure voter results let alone how Bernie got swept aside so that Hillary could be the nominee. Or did we forget about that
No one is forgetting anything, it isn't being discussed because it isn't relevant. It's OLD NEWS. No one here that I have seen is claiming Trump's presidency is illegitimate, but he certainly has fallen short of how a president should uphold the constitution.
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By Odin.Slore 2019-11-20 08:55:07
But the Ukraine president said there wasnt black mail.
So the government which was going to comply with "favors" bound to military aids are saying what the US government wants to hear to stay in their good grace? Preposterous!
It's like Putin, he said Russia didn't meddle in the 2016 elections, TWICE! This is the only proof needed to show Russia didn't meddle.
Source? You or I have no idea if Ukraine is being false or not. Stop assuming stuff it makes you look foolish. So many on the left do this and its irritating. You have no idea what they were thinking as neither do I, only Zelensky knows.
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By Nausi 2019-11-20 09:06:51
Shoot at this rate there should be an investigation into the Obama administration
but Clinton, but but Obama...butter emails! Many cases of Obama Derangement Syndrome is popping up over this impeachment inquiry. Actually I was referring to election fruad. If they really wanted to pursue the whole narrative that trump is illegitimate and they wanted to out him on that they should've looked into how the former administration worked to secure voter results let alone how Bernie got swept aside so that Hillary could be the nominee. Or did we forget about that Of course they forgot about that, its bleached out of memory because it doesn’t make any comprehensive sense.
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By Nausi 2019-11-20 09:07:55
Zelensky's safe, scripted words mean nothing. Especially when we have all of these Americans testifying the exact opposite.
His statements weren't safe and scripted, he was adamant on telling anyone and everyone that he wasn't pressured into doing anything. He was offended that people were suggesting otherwise.
No one knows anything of the sort, nor can anyone make this absurd claim as to what his intentions are or how he feels. Except with Trump right? We know Trump was trying to bribe someone, not uphold an anti-corruption treaty with Ukraine.
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By Nausi 2019-11-20 09:08:54
Source? You or I have no idea if Ukraine is being false or not. Stop assuming stuff it makes you look foolish. So many on the left do this and its irritating. You have no idea what they were thinking as neither do I, only Zelensky knows.
I don't know, but I'm just pointing out this is a logical outcome.
But anyways, Sondland just admitted there was a quid pro quo and that he has been working with Rudy, at the discretion of the president to pressure Ukraine to open investigation of the Bidens. No, he did not admit such a thing.
By Viciouss 2019-11-20 09:10:32
Source? You or I have no idea if Ukraine is being false or not. Stop assuming stuff it makes you look foolish. So many on the left do this and its irritating. You have no idea what they were thinking as neither do I, only Zelensky knows.
I don't know, but I'm just pointing out this is a logical outcome.
But anyways, Sondland just admitted there was a quid pro quo and that he has been working with Rudy, at the discretion of the president to pressure Ukraine to open investigation of the Bidens.
Yep, we knew that was coming. This is going to be an explosive hearing.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-11-20 09:38:44
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By fonewear 2019-11-20 09:43:19
Everyone was in on even FFXIAH PnR section I knew it !
I finally caught you guys !
Hail victory and so on.
By fonewear 2019-11-20 09:44:00
We should have just nuked Ukraine off that map put up a Disneyland Eastern Europe resort and called it a day.
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By Odin.Slore 2019-11-20 09:51:46
Schiffs face when Sondland stated President specifically said "I don't want a quid pro qo."
By Viciouss 2019-11-20 09:55:35
Schiffs face when Sondland stated President specifically said "I don't want a quid pro qo."
Didn't change at all?
Ragnarok.Ozment
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-20 10:09:01
But the Ukraine president said there wasnt black mail.
So the government which was going to comply with "favors" bound to military aids are saying what the US government wants to hear to stay in their good grace? Preposterous!
It's like Putin, he said Russia didn't meddle in the 2016 elections, TWICE! This is the only proof needed to show Russia didn't meddle.
Source? You or I have no idea if Ukraine is being false or not.
Exactly! No idea whether the Ukraine peeps are false or not, so common sense states you err on the side of caution. This means that because they are a foreign entity, we do not know what motivations they may have with regards to our political system. This "let's believe what the Ukraine says because it suits our agenda" is getting old.
Ragnarok.Ozment
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-20 10:13:01
Zelensky's safe, scripted words mean nothing. Especially when we have all of these Americans testifying the exact opposite.
His statements weren't safe and scripted, he was adamant on telling anyone and everyone that he wasn't pressured into doing anything. He was offended that people were suggesting otherwise.
No one knows anything of the sort, nor can anyone make this absurd claim as to what his intentions are or how he feels. Except with Trump right? We know Trump was trying to bribe someone, not uphold an anti-corruption treaty with Ukraine.
Wow...this is about as strawman as you get. My comments were about believing a foreign national at his word, based on feelings. It had nothing to do with whether or not Trump bribed anyone, nor about any treaty.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-20 10:14:18
Quoted for truth. :)
Quote: Sondland testified that he and his colleagues were taking directions from Rudy Giuliani on orders from the president of the United States. “Mr. Giuliani’s requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for President Zelensky,” Sondland said in his opening statement.
By Viciouss 2019-11-20 10:16:40
Yep.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-11-20 10:18:05
Is Trump going to be impeached? Y/N?
Impeached? Still a maybe. Removed from office? Not a chance.
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By fonewear 2019-11-20 10:26:09
Is Trump going to be impeached? Y/N?
Impeached probably thrown out of office no.
By fonewear 2019-11-20 10:27:27
The Epstein murder cover up is far more interesting than inside baseball DC impeachment orders and regulations.
But that story was swept under the rug very fast.
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By Nausi 2019-11-20 10:28:11
Zelensky's safe, scripted words mean nothing. Especially when we have all of these Americans testifying the exact opposite.
His statements weren't safe and scripted, he was adamant on telling anyone and everyone that he wasn't pressured into doing anything. He was offended that people were suggesting otherwise.
No one knows anything of the sort, nor can anyone make this absurd claim as to what his intentions are or how he feels. Except with Trump right? We know Trump was trying to bribe someone, not uphold an anti-corruption treaty with Ukraine.
Wow...this is about as strawman as you get. My comments were about believing a foreign national at his word, based on feelings. It had nothing to do with whether or not Trump bribed anyone, nor about any treaty. Whoooosh.
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By fonewear 2019-11-20 10:28:19
I don't care about a damn phone call. I certainly don't give a ***about Ukraine.
Hell most Americans couldn't find Ukraine on a map if you gave them Russia for reference.
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By Nausi 2019-11-20 10:29:58
Trump had already offered the Ukrainian President a white house visit in his previous phone call.
How could he set up another one when he had already offered it?
A: he can’t.
By fonewear 2019-11-20 10:36:20
This is all very much inside the beltway politics.
Your farmer in Iowa doesn't give two shits about some phone call to Ukraine.
Nor do most Americans hell Black Friday is soon gotta get that big screen TV !
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By fonewear 2019-11-20 10:45:31
Trump had already offered the Ukrainian President a white house visit in his previous phone call.
How could he set up another one when he had already offered it?
A: he can’t. YouTube Video Placeholder
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By Nausi 2019-11-20 10:47:19
So Sondland thinks there was a quid pro quo despite being repeatedly told there wasn’t.
Just like Vindman thought a favor meant quid pro quo.
Even though ukraine got the money and Biden wasn’t investigated for it.
This guys toast, its official.
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Welp Rp&r is shut down but p&r is not. So i offer a specific challenge to all my fellow gamers.
Impeachment is a scam. Change my mind.
Rep Swallwell just openly said Trump needs to prove his innocence, that isn’t how our system of laws works.
Secondly, Trump has already proven his innocence, he released the transcript, which shows no hint of misconduct.
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