Exenterator

The topic is hits that critical, assuming that your crit rate is high enough already.

No one is going to have 100% Crit Rate in Abyssea with GH RR Apoc or SS.

So why would that even be a reality and or in question or assumed?

My statement was correct

1: Triple Attack +15% Won't be all criticals.

2: Critical Hit Damage +30% Won't change, it'll always be there on your crits, ability and ws.

3: Crit Rate Realistically is: 75% just from RR GH dDex in Abyssea. Not factoring it is ridiculous. Why wouldn't you? That isn't including the 4% Crit Rate from THF Legs, so let's include it. 79% Can we add more? Sure. Should we? Meh. Let's do it. 84% Rancor Collar.

So anyways, Uh I dunno where you're getting your numbers. So yep.

Got 5/5 Exenterator the other day and trying to work on optimizing my gearset.. This is my current gearset:



First thing I want to replace is my headpiece. But would the Cuauhtli Headpiece or Ocelomeh Headpiece yield better and/or more consistent numbers?

I also assume Ambusher's Hose would be better? Also would using the old Eponas/Brutal setup be wise or better to go more AGI with this? Is my Aesir Ear Pendant good or better off with AGI there too? I know the Rajas needs to go for a Stormsoul but for now it's the best I have, unless the Solemn Ring (+5 AGI/MND) I have around is better?

Thanks for any feedback!

EDIT: Updated my gearset.. decided to go for an Ocelomeh headpiece +1. So far I'm very happy with my decision! Stormsoul to come very very soon...

HQ Cuauhtli and NQ Ocelomeh is probably close. I'd go for Ocelomeh myself.

Brutal and Epona is always good for any melee multi hit WS.
As ambusher or Hecatomb, Ambusher is probably better.

Anyone know whether or not Ocelot Gloves might be better over af3+2 hands? (Or maybe even both, SA af3+2 hands, TA Ocelot, and unstacked just Ocelot?)

I'd stick with AF3+2 myself. The attack is just invaluable. You could potentially make a case for Trick Attack only, because that negates the utility of the DEX, but I doubt it'd be much of a bonus at all.

Ocelot: 8 agi
AF3 hands: 8 str, 16 att

2 fStr on AF3 cancels 2 points of agi. 4 att from the str added to total att on gloves for 20 att vs 6 agi.

Rough estimate on value of att vs agi is 2.75:1. Figure at 3:1 or higher, go with attack, and at 2.5:1 or lower, go with agi. Anything in between is mostly a wash.

20 att vs 6 agi is 3.33:1, therefore the att wins. However if you're capped on fStr, it's 20 att vs 8 agi, or 2.5:1. It leans more towards the agi side, but not enough that I'd bother changing the gear set. Obviously if pushing the att cap, go with agi.

In the event of TA+Exen, the agi is added to the damage of the first hit. Since it's a 4-hit weaponskill plus offhand, split the value over 5 hits. 6 agi options are better than gorget/belt so you probably don't have to worry about fTP factors.

Thus, overall, it's an extra 8/5 = 1.6 damage on the agi side. Given the 6 starting value (if not capping fStr), that's 20 vs 7.6, or 2.6:1, which is in the middle of the wash zone. If you're capping fStr, that's 20 vs 9.6, or 2.1:1, which generally favors agi, but the gain is pretty marginal and dependent on secondary factors.

Overall, I'd just stick with AF3+2 hands for all versions unless you're attack capped.

Addendum: Crudelis Belt over Anguinus.

Thats all very true. But dont forget Raider gloves have a TON of acc on them to. 8 dex 12 acc=16 acc that you didnt even account for. Raiders atk and acc combo makes it a crystal clear winner on harder content where neither is capped. On trash mobs, eh i cant really be to arsed to gear to the teeth for trash mobs, but if acc, str, and atk all at or near cap, then obviously raiders withers. But for anything above lv 70+ish thf wont natively cap atk without some other source besides food (/war, buffs, def down etc).

Its really hard to go wrong with raiders.

The correct answer is Skadi hands.

^ theres that too. I had actually planned to use skadi, but i was in a hurry to go to some event thing and just made my macro with what i had (raiders) and have completely forgot to get skadi out of porter moogle ever since and redo my macro xD

Thanks for the reminder foldy :P

Oh! I has those! That's a good suggestion! Thanks :O

So, wait...

Crudelis > Anguinus?

5 STR 5 AGI 2.5 Attack
vs
15 Attack, 15 Accuracy +1% DA

Is this due to your example above regarding 2.5:1 and 3.0:1 ratios for atk:agi?

If so by that are you implying -

Crudelis is = to 15 Atk(2.5*5=12.5+2.5(str)) or 17.5 Atk (3.0*5=15+2.5(str)) 1fSTR
Vs
Anguinus is = to 15 attack 15 Accuracy 1% DA.

Is that implying that Crudelis is just more well rounded for Exenterator?

I'm debating spending 2.8mil on an Ocelomeh Headpiece for my Exenterator set... how much would it be worth it? Could I spend the same money elsewhere for a better gain?

Not sure if want... At least until it falls back down to 2.4~



Currently trying to finish up my lolAGI dagger for base DMG while getting rid of the high delay of the Angr Harpe, and for stat mods. I eventually will get around to a STR one, but the AGI dagger is almost done. :x

Brace yourself, but here it is:

This is it in my opinion, from what I've seen so far.

justiciar's torque by far

Also, my money would be on raider's poulaines +2 for feet and maybe ambusher's hose over heca, but not sure on that one.

(Curse you and your ninja edit, now it looks like I am crazy.)

Vs High defense mobs? Cuahutli+1 > Ocelomeh +1.

How is that Justiciar's can even be chosen in place of Houyi's Gorget?

+6 AGI +6 Acc vs. 4 STR +15 Attack.

It's the same as the math above vs AF3+2 Vs. Ocelot and in the end showing that Skadi Hands are best.

Look at the 2nd contradiction: Ambusher's Hose over a 22 Attack Piece, and 3rd contradiction: Crudelis Belt > Anguinus a 15 Attack Piece.

I find it difficult to gear for specific slots being: Back, Belt, Neck, Pants. When the current idea is kind of pointing at: All the AGI you can stack, wherever you can stack it with the mind set of 2.5 ATK for 1 AGI even 3 Atk for 1 AGI.

The ratio described above was interesting.

So what is really worth more on this table atm?

+20ish AGI or +50ish something attack?

Oops, I don't know how I keep missing Raiders +2 lol,

(Sad part is that's what I use on my set)

More triple attack means more chance at set proc lol.... And when are thfs used for sata anymore?

Was just thinking though, wouldn't the Athos/Scopuli boots be better if stacked with Sneak Attack (but not Trick Attack)?

A whole 10 base DMG to the first hit, and only losing 5 AGI. :x

Just got my Assassin's Poulaines +2... that being said what are your opinions on these vs Raider's +2 feet. I know 15 agi is huge but does anyone know or have tested the new feet with the tripple attack?

Wouldn't that be more like 5 base damage increase?

Still the same, that +5 AGI is like +5 Damage to my knowledge.

So 10 - 5 = 5.

Wrong?

we do lose 5 extra damage in each of the other 4 hits. I doubt the "main" hit of a SAExen could counter that loss.

1 AGI is certainly equivalent to 1 DMG?

100% WSC, to my understanding it is.

well, it's 0.85 actually due alpha multiplier