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Exenterator
 Bahamut.Cuelebra
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-12-16 17:13:47
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »ok seriously what the ***, you too cuelebra?
is this going to be the same ***back when i was talking about landing /nin enfeebles reliably and it seemed like i was the only one actually using the jp button or something?
cause seriously, im missing belt, waist, rings and earrings for this and it still shits on everything but stacked rudra/mercy.
WHAT lol?! i dunno i guess i can toy around with it as dnc/nin on some 95-99 GoV mobs later today. I will admit though the -acc down effect is noticeable.
is what i used on dnc that night. i dunno what else to change. does the fTP bonus from gorgets carry over to all hits like some of the other new WS
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-12-16 17:20:51
does the fTP bonus from gorgets carry over to all hits like some of the other new WS I do not believe so. Also, I use Anguinus over Crudelis in Dynamis because I noticed Exent had some accuracy issues because its not Dex based like our normal ws. Once I made the switch, my average ws's went up noticeably.
Bahamut.Cuelebra
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-12-16 17:22:18
does the fTP bonus from gorgets carry over to all hits like some of the other new WS I do not believe so. Also, I use Anguinus over Crudelis in Dynamis because I noticed Exent had some accuracy issues because its not Dex based like our normal ws. Once I made the switch, my average ws's went up noticeably.
damnit i just threw that belt away yesterday too lol. to make some inventory space lol. like what were ur averages in dyna?
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2011-12-16 17:25:53
I'll do dynamis again later and I'll do some testing. I'm on a different computer than usual (sup winter break), so I don't have a parser on it. Anyone have a decent one they could send me?
Bismarck.Ihina
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2011-12-16 17:36:31
If you need accuracy fighting EP mobs, then <_<
And no single piece of gear besides Black Belt, a few other other broken pieces, will show a noticeable difference. Eyeballing 4 WSs doesn't count as a test.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-12-16 17:38:57
Averaged between 1.5k-2k with rare spikes up to 2.5k. Before I used Anguinus, I was running around 1k-1.4k
Here is my set:
Oh, I had a Jynx Discus on, not a Thew Bomblet at the time (pulling in Dyna and all that jazz).
Bismarck.Ihina
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2011-12-16 17:41:02
One piece of gear will increase your WS by 500-600 damage. Against EP.
You heard it here first, folks.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-12-16 17:41:52
If you need accuracy fighting EP mobs, then <_<
And no single piece of gear besides Black Belt, a few other other broken pieces, will show a noticeable difference. Eyeballing 4 WSs doesn't count as a test.
95% acc (capped acc) is a 77% to hit all 5
90% acc is 59% to hit all 5
85% acc is 44% to hit all 5
Because this ws isn't getting as much acc from dex, it does have a noticeable accuracy difference to evis/DE.
Cerberus.Tikal
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-12-16 17:42:22
It's very possible if it's the difference between attack values and accuracy values.
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Bismarck.Ihina
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2011-12-16 17:46:23
Have I mentioned that you're fighting EP?
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-12-16 17:49:40
Have I mentioned that you're fighting EP? I was surprised, but that's what I saw, so unless you bring different info to the table you aren't contributing.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-12-16 17:51:04
Dynamis mobs have incredibly large amounts of defense for their level.
Bismarck.Ihina
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2011-12-16 17:56:29
Sure I am. I'm calling what you're proposing bloody stupid, so less informed players won't listen to you.
Glancing over my average hit, dynamis mobs probably have in the area of 300-400def, 15atk will do bloody squat on its own.
I have 550atk, and if you assume the lowest def of 300, that brings the ratio from 1.833 to 1.888. Now let's assume 400Ddef; that's 1.375 ratio without the belt to 1.4125 with the belt. I don't think you can squeeze a 40% increase in WS out of that.
Let's look at acc. Or, how about not, because you're fighting bloody EP mobs.
Cerberus.Tikal
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-12-16 18:01:47
Glancing over my average hit, dynamis mobs probably have in the area of 300-400def, 15atk will do bloody squat on its own.
I have 550atk, and if you assume the lowest def of 300, that brings the ratio from 1.833 to 1.888. Now let's assume 400Ddef; that's 1.375 ratio without the belt to 1.4125 with the belt. I don't think you can squeeze a 40% increase in WS out of that.
Herp derp herpa derpderp.
Bismarck.Ihina
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2011-12-16 18:03:28
Try harder.
Cerberus.Tikal
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-12-16 18:05:08
Kettle, Pot, etc.
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2011-12-16 18:09:37
If you need accuracy fighting EP mobs, then <_<
And no single piece of gear besides Black Belt, a few other other broken pieces, will show a noticeable difference. Eyeballing 4 WSs doesn't count as a test.
95% acc (capped acc) is a 77% to hit all 5
90% acc is 59% to hit all 5
85% acc is 44% to hit all 5
Because this ws isn't getting as much acc from dex, it does have a noticeable accuracy difference to evis/DE.
There's a chance it could have a sneaky accuracy penalty, too. We don't know these things yet, because accuracy on multi-hits is difficult to test compared to the sneaky attack penalties.
Bahamut.Cuelebra
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-12-16 18:12:30
If you need accuracy fighting EP mobs, then <_<
And no single piece of gear besides Black Belt, a few other other broken pieces, will show a noticeable difference. Eyeballing 4 WSs doesn't count as a test.
95% acc (capped acc) is a 77% to hit all 5
90% acc is 59% to hit all 5
85% acc is 44% to hit all 5
Because this ws isn't getting as much acc from dex, it does have a noticeable accuracy difference to evis/DE.
There's a chance it could have a sneaky accuracy penalty, too. We don't know these things yet, because accuracy on multi-hits is difficult to test compared to the sneaky attack penalties.
That acc penalty would have to be pretty significant then. Considering EP mobs and Physical Acc Job trait that DNC has.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-16 18:14:48
Either way, he's right that Anguinus alone isn't going to increase your output by several hundred points. Eyeballing strikes again.
Bismarck.Ihina
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2011-12-16 18:16:10
Wait a minute...
Are we talking about EP mobs?
(PS. The kettle/black analogy is used to illustrate something that doesn't make logical, semantically sense. You don't toss it in random situations and hope it sticks. If you just want to throw words around, there are other words for that: noob, ignorant, etc)
Cerberus.Tikal
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-12-16 18:18:51
Works perfectly fine. Actually, it works in two ways (As intended). Just because you can't see what I'm implying doesn't mean it's inaccurate.
EDIT: Take it to PM if you want to continue.
Bismarck.Ihina
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2011-12-16 18:25:24
Oh man, wish I can be as smrt as you when I grow up.
 Phoenix.Pooman
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By Phoenix.Pooman 2011-12-16 18:30:17
Why is there such a ridiculous argument nearly taking up an entire page again? Anybody with half a brain would know that putting on that belt won't increase your average damage output but that much.
Bismarck.Ihina
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2011-12-16 18:47:12
There's also the fact that you're losing the STR/AGI from not using the Crudelis belt which I didn't bother mentioning, because this whole argument is already one-sided enough.
Bahamut.Feisei
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By Bahamut.Feisei 2011-12-16 19:12:09
needs more thf gearsets, less dnc
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2011-12-16 19:25:01
needs more thf gearsets, less dnc
Yes.
Isn't there already a thread in the DNC Section about this anyway?
Anyway, Back to not contributing for me :O
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2011-12-16 19:30:46
I'd still bet the STR/ATK Magian would be the best magian weapon for it. If you're fighting anything tougher than Easy Prey.
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2011-12-16 19:36:36
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »Even with the 100% modifier?
I do believe so, the STR/ATK does wonders for your Weaponskill damage, Especially when it comes to Multi-hits (They generally possess no attack bonus/Ignore Defense like some 1-hits do)
the 100%AGI Boost would be nice, but the ~12STR(???) and Attack would do more for you than the ~12AGI or so.
It would be a toss up, and honest to god, You'd need to ask someone who's math comprehension goes above mine :\, But from what i understand, the higher the enemies defense, the more that STR kila is going to work for you.
the STR Kila also helps your Melee Damage phase much more significantly.
Exenterator
Delivers a fourfold attack that decreases target's accuracy. Duration of effect varies with TP.
20~100% AGI mod
TP Multipliers: 1.0 at 100%
1.0 at 200%
1.0 at 300%
any thoughts?
taken from http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Exenterator
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