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 Ragnarok.Haorhu
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By Ragnarok.Haorhu 2012-08-02 11:58:21
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Looking for some advice with SA Exenerator. Lately my SA Exenerator set feels some what lackluster compared to my unstacked set.

Unstacked on EP's I go anywhere from 2500-3900+ which I'm very happy with atm.

But my SA Exenerator set doesn't feel like it puts as much on top of the normal damage as it should. I usually see anywhere from 2700-4400 damage from it.

Should I just start SA'ing Exenerator in my unstacked set? From the numbers I see on unstacked, I feel I should be able to pull a bit more out of SA Exenerator.

This is my current unstacked Exenerator set:


This is my current SA Exenerator set:


Any idea what I'm doing wrong on my SA set? Any help would be greatly appreciated.[/quoteth[quote='Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget' pid=1975104]Looking for some advice with SA Exenerator. Lately my SA Exenerator set feels some what lackluster compared to my unstacked set.

Unstacked on EP's I go anywhere from 2500-3900+ which I'm very happy with atm.

But my SA Exenerator set doesn't feel like it puts as much on top of the normal damage as it should. I usually see anywhere from 2700-4400 damage from it.

Should I just start SA'ing Exenerator in my unstacked set? From the numbers I see on unstacked, I feel I should be able to pull a bit more out of SA Exenerator.

This is my current unstacked Exenerator set:


This is my current SA Exenerator set:


Any idea what I'm doing wrong on my SA set? Any help would be greatly appreciated.


thf its your main ? did you see that on gamerescape
Rogue's Armlets +1 RareExclusive
[Hands] All Races
DEF: 16 HP +10 DEX +3
"Steal" +1
Increases "Trick Attack" damage
Lv. 74 THF

Increases "Trick Attack" damage

While equipped, Trick Attack adds an extra 15% of AGI to Base Damage.
If Trick Attack triggered with armlets worn and then subsequently removed, the 15% AGI Bonus will not be applied. Hit must register with armlets equipped. if you want a real good set for exen on thf u have to use this hands
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By Ragnarok.Haorhu 2012-08-02 12:01:48
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and your unstacked set i never see a lot of damage .. use thos set in aby right ?
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-08-02 12:02:10
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For unstacked, use 2 stormsoul, brutal earring, justiciar's torque, and myrmex mittens if you can get them.

I don't know how you'd weigh other stats vs. dex when stacking with SA though.

Haorhu, Sneak Attack =/= Trick Attack
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By Ragnarok.Haorhu 2012-08-02 12:04:19
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yes u can stack with SA but better use this one with trick attack/rogues armlets +1 .. more agi more damage . after this my opinion :)
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By Ragnarok.Haorhu 2012-08-02 12:08:59
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i just use sneack attack for rudra's and trick attack maybe sometimes
but for WS agi modifier (exen) just use trick .
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-08-02 13:31:57
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Lets destroy some myth.

Af1+1 hands are VERY BAD for TA Exenterator.
Boost they adds is Very far inferior to AGI+ piece.
You can and should use af1+1 hands for unstacked TA.

Its the same for af3+2 for SA exenterator but those hands at least have other good stats which overall makes them pretty good.

@Haorhu Thats normal because SA or TA only force crit one hit of Exenterator which is on avg something around 17% of total WS. It also adds like 500-800 dmg from agi. You numbers are expected. Exenterator is just bad ws for stacking. Mercy and Rudra have much more bonus out of it.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Headache 2012-08-02 13:39:06
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Kinda off topic but any thoughts if/how i could improve my evis set. Abyssea is like the only place i use evis in.

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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-08-02 13:53:39
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Lol yes Winbuffet for Evis is a joke.
Evis is 6 hit ws when 8 hits is a cap.
Wanion belt is the way to go.
Rancor mantle and Nefarious collar.
Epona go away too. Thundersould or Mars's
Ghille earring+1 for uncapped attack.
Not 100% sure about body+head but toci and oce is very solid. (Athos is probably better with crit rate buffs like Blood rage and 11 rogue roll for example, Im not sure what is a break point for critical rate with Evis where Athos will start winning)
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2012-08-02 13:57:47
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Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
Lol yes Winbuffet for Evis is a joke.
Evis is 6 hit ws when 8 hits is a cap.
Wanion belt is the way to go.
Rancor mantle and Nefarious collar.
Epona go away too. Thundersould or Mars's
Ghille earring+1 for uncapped attack.
Not 100% sure about body+head but toci and oce is very solid. (Athos is probably better with crit rate buffs like Blood rage and 11 rogue roll for example, Im not sure what is a break point for critical rate with Evis where Athos will start winning)
Bolded is for outside since crit rate is much less than inside abyssea.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-08-02 14:01:36
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Ramuh.Laffter said: »
Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
Lol yes Winbuffet for Evis is a joke.
Evis is 6 hit ws when 8 hits is a cap.
Wanion belt is the way to go.
Rancor mantle and Nefarious collar.
Epona go away too. Thundersould or Mars's
Ghille earring+1 for uncapped attack.
Not 100% sure about body+head but toci and oce is very solid. (Athos is probably better with crit rate buffs like Blood rage and 11 rogue roll for example, Im not sure what is a break point for critical rate with Evis where Athos will start winning)
Bolded is for outside since crit rate is much less than inside abyssea.

Oh yeah sorry.
Also Athos in abyssea will pull ahead for sure.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Headache 2012-08-02 14:10:07
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You mean athos body right? Dont have it atm. Only athos legs/feet/hands. Is it a good idea to switch heca sub+1 for athos legs? O.o Also if i do so i could rep kacura with athos feet? Talking inside aby.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-08-02 14:38:52
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Quetzalcoatl.Headache said: »
You mean athos body right? Dont have it atm. Only athos legs/feet/hands. Is it a good idea to switch heca sub+1 for athos legs? O.o Also if i do so i could rep kacura with athos feet? Talking inside aby.

Yes for inside abys its probably very good idea.
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By Phoenix.Suji 2012-08-02 15:05:00
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Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
Lets destroy some myth.

Af1+1 hands are VERY BAD for TA Exenterator.
Boost they adds is Very far inferior to AGI+ piece.
You can and should use af1+1 hands for unstacked TA.

Its the same for af3+2 for SA exenterator but those hands at least have other good stats which overall makes them pretty good.

@Haorhu Thats normal because SA or TA only force crit one hit of Exenterator which is on avg something around 17% of total WS. It also adds like 500-800 dmg from agi. You numbers are expected. Exenterator is just bad ws for stacking. Mercy and Rudra have much more bonus out of it.
fwiw, you didn't really dispel anything there, you only made a claim.

If we trust Motenten, the spreadsheet has Myrmex at 3231 for the normal recommended gear set and Rogue+1 at 3220. If you have capped attack, say THF/WAR in Salvage with Berserk up or Dyna with Acid Bolts and RCB, you can replace some of the attack pieces with more AGI and in such a set, we get Myrmex at 3385 and Rogue+1 at 3382.

Of course, for harder mobs where the other stats on Myrmex are really benefiting you, it's a different story. On Qilin with the standard set, Myrmex is 2211 while Rogue+1 is only 2144, for example.

So, Myrmex is basically equivalent to Rogue+1 (0.08% difference) for capped attack scenarios and Rogue+1 is ~3% worse on harder content.
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By Ragnarok.Haorhu 2012-08-02 15:24:31
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AF1+1 not bad for TA that's wrong u FAIL ......... 15% of AGI damage based convert in damage for WS AGI modifier its the best options for thf (still mine opinion)
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By Phoenix.Suji 2012-08-02 15:27:15
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Ragnarok.Haorhu said: »
AF1+1 not bad for TA that's wrong u FAIL ......... 15% of
Since you are kind of a freak and I don't particularly like siding with you on anything, it's worth pointing out that, although the first hit is beefed up quite a bit by Rogue+1, you're missing out on the WSC of another AGI piece for all of the additional hits. That's not counting other stats.

So it really depends on how much you need those other stats and how high you can boost your AGI.
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By Ragnarok.Haorhu 2012-08-02 15:33:07
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im talking about rogue's AF1+1 with a good set AGI/DEX/critical ++ using this one for my thf http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/267166
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By Ragnarok.Haorhu 2012-08-02 15:36:45
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and that's hard to talk with EN/american guys because im not talking very well english :)
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By Ragnarok.Haorhu 2012-08-02 15:38:28
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Quetzalcoatl.Headache said: »
You mean athos body right? Dont have it atm. Only athos legs/feet/hands. Is it a good idea to switch heca sub+1 for athos legs? O.o Also if i do so i could rep kacura with athos feet? Talking inside aby.


for exen outside aby athos body and legs for exen and boots
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By Ragnarok.Haorhu 2012-08-02 15:42:44
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Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
Lets destroy some myth.

Af1+1 hands are VERY BAD for TA Exenterator.
Boost they adds is Very far inferior to AGI+ piece.
You can and should use af1+1 hands for unstacked TA.

Its the same for af3+2 for SA exenterator but those hands at least have other good stats which overall makes them pretty good.

@Haorhu Thats normal because SA or TA only force crit one hit of Exenterator which is on avg something around 17% of total WS. It also adds like 500-800 dmg from agi. You numbers are expected. Exenterator is just bad ws for stacking. Mercy and Rudra have much more bonus out of it.


ROGUE+1 unstacked exen ARE YOU CRAZY !! /toss and u dont gonna learn my jobs this my main yes obv rudra are best ws for stack SA/TA.... :)
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By Ragnarok.Haorhu 2012-08-02 15:47:20
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its so shine to see thf miss STR all times ... for me thf its the best DD/tank love other job's like war woth uko (love have X3 OR X4 war with uko in VW ) and love COR too :) im thinking up COR with empy but i have to learn play cor .. (a vu de nez ca m'a l'air bien compliquer au niveau des rolls)
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2012-08-02 17:10:16
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Bahamut.Atoreis said:
You can and should use af1+1 hands for unstacked TA.

Ragnarok.Haorhu said:
ROGUE+1 unstacked exen ARE YOU CRAZY

You misunderstood what he said. He didn't say unstacked weaponskill (ie: Exenterator without TA), he said unstacked TA (ie: TA without weaponskill). Yes, using AF1+1 hands is good for solo TA. There are better options for TA+weaponskill.
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By Cerberus.Mindi 2012-08-03 02:08:07
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Sylph.Decimus said: »
From everything I've gathered

is this the accepted best unstacked overall Excenterator Set now? God damn glowing points never give me the Hands :( Whats 2nd best Hands next to Myrmex? Should be Thaumas gloves which brings 13 Agi with going from 3/5 to 4/5 Thaumas right? Still trying to figure out if i keep Excenterator Merits or not..
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By Bismarck.Stani 2012-08-03 16:58:49
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Cerberus.Mindi said: »
Sylph.Decimus said: »
From everything I've gathered

is this the accepted best unstacked overall Excenterator Set now? God damn glowing points never give me the Hands :( Whats 2nd best Hands next to Myrmex? Should be Thaumas gloves which brings 13 Agi with going from 3/5 to 4/5 Thaumas right? Still trying to figure out if i keep Excenterator Merits or not..

If you need the attack, that's a top shelf set. Some tweaks here or there could pull ahead based on buffs and exactly how much attack you need, but any adjustments would basically be sidegrades that you'd need to know your exact WSC/pDIF to predict a winner for.

On the other hand, if you cap your attack, that set will fall behind because that set sacrifices a lot of AGI/DA/TA/QA for attack. I've been on the fence about asking Dec to specify that set is Attack heavy for a while!
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By Cerberus.Mindi 2012-08-03 17:31:15
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well i only really tryed to use it in Provenance VW latly, not doing much else on THF atm. So there its THF/WAR with RCB, War buffs and drinks; no other buffs beside Embrava (*cry BLM PT*) So by far not attack capped on the Cats and PW. Atleast my unstacked WS numbers make me think i am far from att capped. When i happened to be in a DD PT and getting double Minuet and Cor rolls my unstacked Mercys (1.2k-2k depend how much it got proced already) normally did more DMG then unstacked Excenterators(maybe 900-1.5k not done many). This was without Thaumas gear so atm updating excenterator gearset to give it some more chances :)
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By Phoenix.Suji 2012-08-03 17:54:57
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Bismarck.Stani said: »
I've been on the fence about asking Dec to specify that set is Attack heavy for a while!
I think this is an important point. I mentioned it before too but it doesn't seem to be discussed very much.
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By Asura.Hardgrave 2012-08-16 08:32:03
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What sets are ideal for a THF w.o access to NNI gear?

This is what I'm using atm..

Exen(Unstacked)


Stacked
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By Lakshmi.Eyrhika 2012-08-16 22:31:48
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Moonshade isn't doing anything, all you get is a longer ACC down. I also don't really care for brutal or eponas since it is already a 5 hit + the offhand hit, but that may be a matter of preferance.
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By Asura.Hardgrave 2012-08-16 23:41:15
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Would Toci's/Oce set beat Athos's/Oce for unstacked Exen?
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By Sylph.Krsone 2012-08-16 23:45:29
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Bismarck.Stani said: »
Cerberus.Mindi said: »
Sylph.Decimus said: »
From everything I've gathered

is this the accepted best unstacked overall Excenterator Set now? God damn glowing points never give me the Hands :( Whats 2nd best Hands next to Myrmex? Should be Thaumas gloves which brings 13 Agi with going from 3/5 to 4/5 Thaumas right? Still trying to figure out if i keep Excenterator Merits or not..

If you need the attack, that's a top shelf set. Some tweaks here or there could pull ahead based on buffs and exactly how much attack you need, but any adjustments would basically be sidegrades that you'd need to know your exact WSC/pDIF to predict a winner for.

On the other hand, if you cap your attack, that set will fall behind because that set sacrifices a lot of AGI/DA/TA/QA for attack. I've been on the fence about asking Dec to specify that set is Attack heavy for a while!

Meh id use anguinus and set 8 agi earrings before I did it that way around crudelis and ghille/brutal.
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By Ragnarok.Haorhu 2012-08-19 09:57:40
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Sylph.Krsone said: »
Bismarck.Stani said: »
Cerberus.Mindi said: »
Sylph.Decimus said: »
From everything I've gathered

is this the accepted best unstacked overall Excenterator Set now? God damn glowing points never give me the Hands :( Whats 2nd best Hands next to Myrmex? Should be Thaumas gloves which brings 13 Agi with going from 3/5 to 4/5 Thaumas right? Still trying to figure out if i keep Excenterator Merits or not..

If you need the attack, that's a top shelf set. Some tweaks here or there could pull ahead based on buffs and exactly how much attack you need, but any adjustments would basically be sidegrades that you'd need to know your exact WSC/pDIF to predict a winner for.

On the other hand, if you cap your attack, that set will fall behind because that set sacrifices a lot of AGI/DA/TA/QA for attack. I've been on the fence about asking Dec to specify that set is Attack heavy for a while!

Meh id use anguinus and set 8 agi earrings before I did it that way around crudelis and ghille/brutal.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/267166
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