Possible Use For PLD?

What's a MB...? ;)

Err yeah that too... though really the slots needed to setup the MB is probably better spent just putting another blm in. Plus eww meleeing

MBs make BLMs die which is good :D

Nin+whm (many ppl duo like that) + thf + blm for proccing. Normal lowman setup.

THf and NIN get tp in about the same time. Duo SC everytime you can > BLM MBs. Profit! Too bad most ppl don't do that these days :/ so much damage.

There is a lot of potential in Mbing since BLMs are usually needed to proc and if you are lucky with the SCs (in my case it was Mercy>Hi then you can do some serious damage. Ofc if you play like ppl used to do it... then it sucks. Ie waiting 1 minute for the other guy to get tp to do a lvl1 sc so blms can MB. yay.

Tyger is sort of a *** too.

Well yeah I'm thinking outside of abyssea where the more you melee the more support jobs you need. Plus not really needing procs

PLD is outclassed outside and has been since the 75 cap.

I can see SE changing the game and adding !! procking for all NMs inside/outside of abyssea.

Well prolly only Grellow and Blue!

gogogo increased Wlegs drop rate!

I proc'd red!! In WoE...

My favorite part of this thread is where people continually say "just fix enmity in the game" as if making an in game mechanics change like this would be so simple. So many things would need to be accounted for in making even the slightest tweak to enmity it could easily make detrimental changes that would alter the game in a terrible way.

Like the RDM spell nerf?

I don't think they meant to nerf rdm as much as they did..it changed alot and ruined Nin/Drk in the process.

What I can't figure out is why they did it in the first place. Did that many ppl really complain about Nin/drk and Rdm/nin tanks?

i was either on my 2 year break or my 3 year break when they did that nerf so i dunno >< when did they do it like 2008ish?

It was fairly recent before the release of Abyssea. iirc.

Hurt drk/nin as well... but not as much.

aww ok i came back most recently in September

They also ninja'd in nerfing repose's emnity too.

Also you could call the way they've made 99% of the nms out there starting a good year or 2 ago immune to grav and bind a nerf against rdms too. Kinda hurt rdm soloing alot.

Also the huge dmg increase in abyssea was a huge change with far reaching consequences to emnity since the system and caps were intended for lvl 75 without atmas etc. As you can see in this thread and many others that take about tanking it has had some rather bad effects.

On the other hand doing something simple like just raising the cap for pld would be rather small and couldn't possibly do anything but let pld hold hate a little better

PLD was useless outside before the cap increases. DDs capped enmity just as quickly outside as they do inside. The only difference is now things die faster. Abyssea had no real effect on enmity gains.

While I do agree PLD is in sorry shape at the moment, I can't agree that Abyssea (atma/cruror buffs/etc.) and level cap increase had nothing to do with how well DD perform now against HNM-tier targets, or that PLD was a poor performer during 75.

DD's couldn't cap hate as quickly as they do now against those ultra-high-level endgame targets because their individual strikes and WS spikes were far smaller than they are currently with atma and the various cruror bonuses. Atonement-spamming PLD/NIN could EASILY hold hate off of the most über DD, mostly because 720-750 damage atonement spam (coupled with PLD's enmity tools) represented comparatively tremendous amounts of VE generation. Nowadays that sort of spike is a joke.

Apart from DD zerg setups, any long term fights (like against Proto-Ultima for example) hardly ever used MNK or WAR tanks. PLD/NIN had a solid role during that era of "small DD hits and spikes" and high-level-mob/low-player-level performance difference.

When end-game settles in the 99-range, we'll see what road SE takes for their game. Abyssea was certainly a "give players everything they might possibly want, including God Mode (primeval brew)" which contrasts to the end game of just a few years prior which was "let's give players super long endurance fights that last 2 to 8 hours to make them work for drops." PLD/NIN, as designed for 75, really shined only in the latter situation...going back to something like that might make players groan but would make PLD happy again LOL.

The worse your DD and mages were the more attractive a Paladin tank was, while DD and mages/Mp efficiency has improved in levels Paladin hasn't, that's the problem.

If you're really worried about TP, throwing SMNs at it is still the best option.


I'm going to have to disagree here. DRK/NIN was a far better tank, and it also had the utility of zerging the last few % points to make the fight less messy. D:

No.

DDs have always and will continue to cap hate much faster than PLD can. If your 750 Atonements were enough to hold hate then you play with some really shitty WARs and SAMs.

Pick something from 75 content you think a PLD was beneficial for and I or someone else will give you a better job for it. Proto-Ultima can be done by anyone with an MDT set for Citadel Buster, and PLD is actually worse there because of the hate reset. DRK was a lot better for Ultima than PLD.

Neisan nailed this entire issue; the better your group was, the worse PLD got. Abyssea has let even the horrible players tank with their faces, but moving back outside isn't going make PLD magically not suck for anyone who didn't already suck. Bad players don't make a bad job good.

This. Name anything and I'll tell you a better way to do it :s

Weighing down my papers in the wind as I whip mah hair back 'N forth

o.o;

I won't argue there. There is certainly the case that all the DDs I played with sucked, but I would have been more inclined to believe that it was the job's abilities and not lack of player skill on all of those people's parts that allowed my PLD (let alone so many others here) to perform well in those circumstances.

A...a paper weight would be the implied joke here..pld...being one.
Don't judge me!

PLD is an 'easier' job, but it's by no means the 'best' job. A lot of the jobs, for example DRK, require a lot of PDT/MDT gear to be efficient tanks... however PLDs(and every job) really should have those sets as well.


oooooooooooooo I get it.

if it makes you feel any better i thought it was pretty good :o

swoosh, 3 points for humoring solemn potatoes

I'm gonna level paladin to 90 i think. Mainly cos i have nearly all the +1 gear (no shock as ppl don't want) I also may get a free ochain as ppl will not want the spikes that i know. mainly gonna level just so it is capped.

I played pld at 75 HNM, I loved it.
Do I hope it's fixed?: Yes
Will it be?: /doubt
Even if it is will it be the best tank: No, Probably the universal safest though.
Either way will my taru look cute as *** at 90 in AF3 +1/2? *** yea.

Just waiting for abyssea to end now. As fun as epidamage is I want a challenge again. Atm my only challenge is saving stones.