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 Leviathan.Protey
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-10-11 17:47:54
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Bricks protey? Really? That is the argument? That you can kill someone with a brick so it is pointless to control guns? The worst part is you believe this terrible line of logic, but fine think what you want.

Meanwhile we have a school shooting pretty much every single year, and no school brickings, mass brickings, or brickings at movie theaters.

Anecdotal evidence on your part. I just gave one example using bricks, ground glass would be more effective, and there are even far more effective means. And so yes, it is pointless to control guns as common items one can buy in stores can be used as far more effective means to kill people and yet they are not banned, nor will they ever be. Just so you know, there is a reason why it is labeled a federal crime on some products that are sold in stores to use them other than their intended use. Just for starters, go read this: The Anarchist Cookbook. If someone wants to kill you, you very rarely are going to be able to stop them if you are not aware of their intent. It doesn't matter if they use a firearm or any other means. That is why banning firearms means jack.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-11 19:29:53
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
it is pointless to control guns as common items one can buy in stores can be used as far more effective means to kill people and yet they are not banned
Ignoring that you'd be hard pressed to find easier means than shooting someone in terms of ease of kill(unless you invite a bunch of people for dinner and drug them all);
this line of thought easily leads into "why not have access to missile launchers and nukes"...which was actually supported in the past in these very boards, which I think is a bit crazy but hey at least no hypocritical?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-11 19:35:28
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Guns are never going to be banned here, and psychos can get guns illegally anyway. Does anyone have a solution that would actually fix the problem instead of just venting feels, or can we move on?
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By Ackeron 2015-10-11 19:39:29
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Guns are never going to be banned here, and psychos can get guns illegally anyway. Does anyone have a solution that would actually fix the problem instead of just venting feels, or can we move on?
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2015-10-11 20:13:32
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Guns are never going to be banned here, and psychos can get guns illegally anyway. Does anyone have a solution that would actually fix the problem instead of just venting feels, or can we move on?
Like all the psychos in the other developed nations who can get guns illegally and cause mass shootings.

Oh wait that doesn't happen.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-11 20:24:48
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Cerberus.Tidis said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Guns are never going to be banned here, and psychos can get guns illegally anyway. Does anyone have a solution that would actually fix the problem instead of just venting feels, or can we move on?
Like all the psychos in the other developed nations who can get guns illegally and cause mass shootings.

Oh wait that doesn't happen.

Are we going to pretend that the access to guns is the only factor in mass shootings? That would simplify the argument, but it would be a stupid argument. But I guess if we actually had to critically think about the issue in-depth then we wouldn't have multiple pages of the same old partisan crap.
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By Jetackuu 2015-10-11 20:43:34
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Yeah, the 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere, could we actually propose productive solutions that don't violate a fundamental right?
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By Jetackuu 2015-10-11 21:06:42
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The productive solution (in the form of making things less deadly) would be taking away automatics.
Again, without violating fundamental Rights. (Also, fully automatic weapons require a special tax stamp to own (unconstitutionally, mind you).

So your "solution" is already effective reality, so try again.

edit: we really going to go down this road again tonight? I have stuff to do, so let's make it quick.

"ban guns"

"lol, no"

done.

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By Jetackuu 2015-10-11 21:12:17
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
The productive solution (in the form of making things less deadly) would be taking away automatics.
Again, without violating fundamental Rights. (Also, fully automatic weapons require a special tax stamp to own (unconstitutionally, mind you).

So your "solution" is already effective reality, so try again.

Fundamental rights?

So owning a gun is pretty much some god given right now essentially?

Nature's god, certainly.

Arms though, not just guns.
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By Jetackuu 2015-10-11 21:24:12
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Just a pure yes or no answer.
Life is never that simple, but nice try.
 
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By Jetackuu 2015-10-11 21:28:19
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Just a pure yes or no answer.
Life is never that simple, but nice try.

Okay, still the first part.

As for the second. It is purely a question. No one said life is that easy.

Life is as easy as "lul no" as an answer to gun control to you though.

We don't live in a perfect world, never have and never will. Fascism isn't the answer (it's an answer, but not the answer).

However yes, life is easy enough to not deny people their fundamental rights, and to easily dismiss those who would attempt to do so.
 
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By Jetackuu 2015-10-11 21:39:57
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That is where you draw the line of fanaticism. When you think guns being everywhere prevents facism and that a loss of said sea of guns leads to facism.
Clearly that is not how it works. How many guns does it take to prevent a Patriot Act? A Guantanamo Bay?

You misunderstand what I was getting at, not to mention that you're trying to quantify a hypothetical scenario, it's kind of amusing.

'night ya'll, I have laundry to do.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-10-12 00:26:12
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Bricks protey? Really? That is the argument? That you can kill someone with a brick so it is pointless to control guns? The worst part is you believe this terrible line of logic, but fine think what you want.

Meanwhile we have a school shooting pretty much every single year, and no school brickings, mass brickings, or brickings at movie theaters.

Anecdotal evidence on your part. I just gave one example using bricks, ground glass would be more effective, and there are even far more effective means. And so yes, it is pointless to control guns as common items one can buy in stores can be used as far more effective means to kill people and yet they are not banned, nor will they ever be. Just so you know, there is a reason why it is labeled a federal crime on some products that are sold in stores to use them other than their intended use. Just for starters, go read this: The Anarchist Cookbook. If someone wants to kill you, you very rarely are going to be able to stop them if you are not aware of their intent. It doesn't matter if they use a firearm or any other means. That is why banning firearms means jack.

No one is going to kill people the same way these school shootings are happening with a baseball bat, knives, etc.

The bombs used in Columbine didn't even work.

"Well other stuff" is not a valid defense of guns.

You argument seems to be that someone could just bring a grenade into school instead of a gun. Well you know, we don't have a grenade problem. It is also harder to get a grenade than a gun.

It isn't about where there is a will there is a way. It is about hey there is a problem with a direct and easily accessible path to the will being made available.

Ummm... no. Nowhere did I say grenade. And you are using more anecdotes. Though making explosives is not that hard, and it would be very easy to put a substance made from store bought items that explodes when heated underneath people's cars. It is far easier to go buy materials from a store than it is to go buy a firearm, especially for someone underage.