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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-13 13:43:28
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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Is this Vietnam but in the desert?

The official title is "Vietnam 2 electric boogaloo"

we ran out words to put after "desert"

"Operation Desert Tsunami"

It's a bit exestential given the lack of ocean, but we feel the imagery works.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-13 17:58:01
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President Barack Obama may send ground troops into Iraq, a senior White House official said this afternoon.

Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes told reporters accompanying the president on his vacation that Obama would consider sending in troops to help save thousands of Iraqis trapped on a mountain if that was the recommendation of 130 Marines and special forces sent in Tuesday to access the situation.

That action would be 'different than reintroducing U.S. forces in a combat role to take the fight to ISIL,' however, Rhodes claimed, according to the New York Times, because the troops' sole objective would be the humanitarian rescue mission.

'We don’t believe it’s sustainable to have permanent airdrops' of food and water, he said.
Obama could put troops on the ground in Iraq to save tens of thousands trapped on mountain, White House says
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-13 18:16:04
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Sounds reasonable enough, but how many more escalations of involvement until we're just squatting in Iraq again?

If you ask me as just silly 'Murican, that's the kind of stuff I think our Military should do, but it's hard to endorse that hot off the heals of the invasion that sent the country into it's anarchic death spiral.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-13 18:47:42
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Although they use the word 'humanitarian', as others are using right now, it seems to me the goal may just be a rescue, as in pulling out all remaining forces, but who knows.
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By fonewear 2014-08-13 19:14:06
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
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President Barack Obama may send ground troops into Iraq, a senior White House official said this afternoon.

Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes told reporters accompanying the president on his vacation that Obama would consider sending in troops to help save thousands of Iraqis trapped on a mountain if that was the recommendation of 130 Marines and special forces sent in Tuesday to access the situation.

That action would be 'different than reintroducing U.S. forces in a combat role to take the fight to ISIL,' however, Rhodes claimed, according to the New York Times, because the troops' sole objective would be the humanitarian rescue mission.

'We don’t believe it’s sustainable to have permanent airdrops' of food and water, he said.
Obama could put troops on the ground in Iraq to save tens of thousands trapped on mountain, White House says

Obama is a war criminal !
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By fonewear 2014-08-13 19:16:25
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I was going to look up ISIS (Isis Taylor) turns out it is a porn star. Boobs prevent me from learning once again !


Not saying you should look up Isis Taylor (you should)...
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-13 19:40:03
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fonewear said: »
I was going to look up ISIS (Isis Taylor) turns out it is a porn star. Boobs prevent me from learning once again !


Not saying you should look up Isis Taylor (you should)...
Only if you can make a connection between the two ISIS's.
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By fonewear 2014-08-13 20:02:22
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I'm pretty sure she is a Muslim...
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-13 20:55:14
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fonewear said: »
I'm pretty sure she is a Muslim...
But is she using her porn profits to fund Sunni terrorists?

That's the link you gotta find!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-14 11:30:04
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It's off now, I guess the green berets got there and said there weren't nearly the amount of people on the mountain that the Iraqis claimed, so no rescue mission.
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By fonewear 2014-08-14 11:31:55
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I've been to Iraq the sand never comes out of your shoes.
By volkom 2014-08-14 11:34:37
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imo~ just drop a nuke. no one's gonna complain about radiating sand and desert
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-14 11:53:24
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We're going back to Iraq, it's just a matter of how the administration decides to spin it. Humanitarian efforts tend to beget boots on the ground, especially if ISIS keeps blitzing through the Iraqi defenses.

We're trying to get the Kurds and what's left of the forces we spent a fortune to fight back but it's clear they're not up to the task against battle hardened jihadists who leveled up on crises and skilled up in Syria. They've got 4 song bards and Yagrush WHMs, things look grim.

If ISIS is left to sack Baghdad the international embarrassment that 'Murica would have to endure would be too much for our fragile western minds.

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By volkom 2014-08-14 12:17:05
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Wonder what the situation would be like today if the US went at it with a 'war-like' policy instead of a 'police-like' policy when we took control of iraq
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By Phoenix.Michiiru 2014-08-14 12:27:04
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volkom said: »
Wonder what the situation would be like today if the US went at it with a 'war-like' policy instead of a 'police-like' policy when we took control of iraq

To put it bluntly, IS would get their *** handed to them.

Outnumbered, outgunned, outmaneuvered and out-tech'd.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-14 12:35:24
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Thats already the situation over there, the Iraqi army is a completely superior force.
By volkom 2014-08-14 12:39:11
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Well I meant more like if the US was basically fighting the Iraqi forces like they were back in WWII and established military bases all over and occupied the country like the US does in Germany and Japan today.
Wonder what the situation of the region as a whole would be like now. Would it be more stable, less stable? etc
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-08-14 12:40:27
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
If ISIS is left to sack Baghdad the international embarrassment that 'Murica would have to endure would be too much for our fragile western minds.

Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
We're going back to Iraq, it's just a matter of how the administration decides to spin it. Humanitarian efforts tend to beget boots on the ground, especially if ISIS keeps blitzing through the Iraqi defenses.

Its already an embarrassment. Altho what most civilians wont admit is that it is in large part, there fault.

Not that the government didn't screw everything up, they definitely did there far share of it. But the civs keep complaining 'get out' 'get out' even tho the job wasn't nearly done. There were enemies on the ground and the Iraq country was in shambles. And politicians are to scared to lose a vote so they had to get out to appease the masses.

The fact that Iraq couldn't maintain itself, or that our (and there) enemies came back stronger, is no shock to anyone that is capable of critical thinking.

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Wonder what the situation would be like today if the US went at it with a 'war-like' policy instead of a 'police-like' policy when we took control of iraq

I wouldn't say 'police like' more 'political war'. Troops were limited in there ability to defend themselves and atk the enemy. The politics put a lot of restraints on them which put the soldiers in a lot more danger; All because the government was more worried about how it looked on the evening news then our soldiers lives and well being. If you watch some documentaries and interviews with soldiers you will hear them talk of this themselves. - Thats why i call it a 'political war' in this aspect.

Now if the government had declared war and given the majority of command to there trained generals and military personal to plan it out, instead of boys in suits thinking they know how to run a war, then things would have been quite different. - They know the basic strategy of defeating ALL of your enemy as hard and as fast as you can. Generally speaking, Thats what will win the conflict, and that kind of speed is what will limit casualties, both yours and civilians. What you don't want is a long drawn out war if you can avoid it. And that seemed to have been the politics starting point.
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By Jetackuu 2014-08-14 12:44:00
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People are forgetting something: Iraq wanted us out.
By volkom 2014-08-14 12:47:33
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People are forgetting something: Iraq wanted us out.

yeah. so if thats what they wanted, *** em. let their country burn and only help the kurds
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By Jetackuu 2014-08-14 12:57:06
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Jetackuu said: »
People are forgetting something: Iraq wanted us out.

yeah. so if thats what they wanted, *** em. let their country burn and only help the kurds

Well we wanted out too, so not really.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-08-14 13:10:33
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Something I am trying to understand.....

The part I do understand:

The IS is making great headway due to the simple fact that they captured weaponry that Iraqi army left behind when they ran away screaming like little children.

American made weapons. The heavier stuff quite modern enough to be equipped with microprocessors.

So... umm... why aren't they equipped with a hidden back door kill switch?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-08-14 13:17:46
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People are forgetting something: Iraq wanted us out.
I just love all the posturing by all the politicians (and not all of them Republicans) saying "I wouldn't have pulled our troops out."

How were they going to do that? Stick a gun in Malaki's face and say hell no we won't go?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-14 13:19:18
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Chanti, how exactly does that help arms manufacturers make more money? Also, why would Iraqi soldiers fighting in a collapsing army stick around when people are getting their heads lopped off, being shot and thrown into mass graves? I imagine half of them just wanted a decent job and some money for family.

"I didn't sign up for this ***."

Let the terrorists have weapons so the US has to buy more weapons to fight the guys with our weapons who took them from our other guys who we gave the weapons to.

I loved the media spin on ISIS having Humvees though. They phrased them as "all purpose, all terrain vehicles" instead of just saying Humvees.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-14 13:25:59
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ISIS was no threat to the Iraqi troops in Mosul. This whole mess is because those idiots ran away from people that were literally walking into town. No hummers, no apcs, no heavy machine guns, just 3000 dudes walking into a city held by 30000 heavily armed troops, and the troops ran. That's the real embarrassment. All they had to do was man their cozy fortified positions and cut the terrorists down.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-14 13:31:29
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And what does that say about the Iraqi troops, the state of morale and all the training Americans put into these guys to police their country?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-14 13:34:20
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It says Iraqi commanders are gutless.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-08-14 13:37:43
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
And what does that say about the Iraqi troops, the state of morale and all the training Americans put into these guys to police their country?
Not much. And that part I do understand.

Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Chanti, how exactly does that help arms manufacturers make more money?....
We don't have to TELL people about this feature.

And when we use it we can claim we destroyed the weapons without saying how.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-08-14 13:47:34
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And when we use it we can claim we destroyed the weapons without saying how.

no deal

we need the explosions on tv to keep the viewers interested and to crank up the fear to keep the ammo profits up.

the repeat supply business is at least as important than the initial sale.

some would say it's more important but then you get into the whole chicken and egg argument
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By fonewear 2014-08-14 13:49:42
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
It says Iraqi commanders are gutless.


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