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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-04-18 11:28:16
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I don't think you can survive falling into a black hole when your atoms are stretched out into a thin line of spaghetti. Science can actually tell you these things.
Because they just hang out with black holes on the daily.
Really? That's how you see it?
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-04-18 11:31:11
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I'm sure that's how they do see it.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2014-04-18 11:34:03
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Shiva.Tedril said: »
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I don't think you can survive falling into a black hole when your atoms are stretched out into a thin line of spaghetti. Science can actually tell you these things.
Because they just hang out with black holes on the daily.
So are you saying that we need to literally toss someone in to a black hole to know what will happen? I'll address your response to my other post later when I have a bit more time.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-04-18 11:35:02
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I'm sure that's time well spent.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-04-18 11:35:07
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X-ray telescopes have observed black holes devouring entire stars, tearing them to shreds under the immense gravitational forces applied to an object.

Humans are pathetically frail creatures on this planet. The only thing we've got going for us are our minds.
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By Shiva.Tedril 2014-04-18 11:36:27
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Shiva.Tedril said: »
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I don't think you can survive falling into a black hole when your atoms are stretched out into a thin line of spaghetti. Science can actually tell you these things.
Because they just hang out with black holes on the daily.
So are you saying that we need to literally toss someone in to a black hole to know what will happen? I'll address your response to my other post later when I have a bit more time.
Just take 5 mins to google studies on black holes and you'll find out that we have never seen a black hole, yet we choose to make up all this stuff about them by postulation.
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By fonewear 2014-04-18 11:36:49
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Shiva.Tedril said: »
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I don't think you can survive falling into a black hole when your atoms are stretched out into a thin line of spaghetti. Science can actually tell you these things.
Because they just hang out with black holes on the daily.
So are you saying that we need to literally toss someone in to a black hole to know what will happen? I'll address your response to my other post later when I have a bit more time.

I've been in a black hole... FFXI I barely escaped.
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By Shiva.Tedril 2014-04-18 11:37:02
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X-ray telescopes have observed black holes devouring entire stars, tearing them to shreds under the immense gravitational forces applied to an object.

Humans are pathetically frail creatures on this planet. The only thing we've got going for us are our minds.
please show me this research lol
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By Jetackuu 2014-04-18 11:38:11
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
X-ray telescopes have observed black holes devouring entire stars, tearing them to shreds under the immense gravitational forces applied to an object.

Humans are pathetically frail creatures on this planet. The only thing we've got going for us are our minds.

and most of us chose to waste them...
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-04-18 11:40:03
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Shiva.Tedril said: »
Just take 5 mins to google studies on black holes and you'll find out that we have never seen a black hole, yet we choose to make up all this stuff about them by postulation.

I'm just guessing here, but conservative?
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By fonewear 2014-04-18 11:41:30
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Clearly black holes have a liberal bias. Once you reach the event horizon there is no going back.
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By Shiva.Tedril 2014-04-18 11:42:09
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Bismarck.Ihina said: »
Shiva.Tedril said: »
Just take 5 mins to google studies on black holes and you'll find out that we have never seen a black hole, yet we choose to make up all this stuff about them by postulation.

I'm just guessing here, but conservative?
Utopian actually, everything else is a waste of time, but I could see the similarities.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-04-18 11:42:46
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Shiva.Tedril said: »
please show me this research lol

http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/18feb_mayhem/
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-04-18 11:45:50
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fonewear said: »
I've been in a black hole... FFXI I barely escaped.

#thread
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By Shiva.Tedril 2014-04-18 11:46:03
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Shiva.Tedril said: »
please show me this research lol

http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/18feb_mayhem/
Scientists can't directly observe black holes with telescopes that detect x-rays, light, or other forms of electromagnetic radiation.
your answers here
this is 2013 outdating your information, from the same source! to hips and a hurray for science!
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-04-18 11:47:39
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Shouldn't ask for research if nothing is going to sway your opinion.

Frankly, basic knowledge about gravity and observation of black holes should be enough to answer any questions you have. You don't have to look directly at something to know about it.
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By Shiva.Tedril 2014-04-18 11:47:41
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fonewear said: »
I've been in a black hole... FFXI I barely escaped.

#thread
"detected a powerful X-ray outburst from the center of a galaxy named "RX J1242-11.""
This is from your source explaining how they got the information. Let me guess you think those pictures are real and not an illustration?
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By Shiva.Tedril 2014-04-18 11:49:46
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Bismarck.Ihina said: »
Shouldn't ask for research if nothing is going to sway your opinion.
I love research fact is, I can read and have more research to back me up, have you ever debated? That's what debating is, comparing research. I'm not making things up willy nilly, I'm showing same research like everybody else here, I'm just being picked on because I use the word God in my argument.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-04-18 11:50:13
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Shiva.Tedril said: »
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I've been in a black hole... FFXI I barely escaped.
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"detected a powerful X-ray outburst from the center of a galaxy named "RX J1242-11."" This is from your source explaining how they got the information. Let me guess you think those pictures are real and not an illustration?

That you're here, on a video game forum, trying to disprove accepted astrophysics and not working for NASA or some scholarly agency being able to actually disprove decades of physics, number crunching and math speaks volumes to the persuasiveness of any argument you put forth.
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By Shiva.Tedril 2014-04-18 11:50:44
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Bismarck.Ihina said: »
Shouldn't ask for research if nothing is going to sway your opinion.

Frankly, basic knowledge about gravity and observation of black holes should be enough to answer any questions you have. You don't have to look directly at something to know about it.
That is my whole point, I'm not disproving black holes, I'm proving God, thank you for falling right into the trap. I'll be here all week fellas!
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-04-18 11:51:10
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Lack of direct observation basically validates the existence of the Black Hole/Dark Star, since all the word means is a grouping of sufficient mass as to warp spacetime to a degree that light cannot escape.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-04-18 11:51:26
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Shiva.Tedril said: »
Bismarck.Ihina said: »
Shouldn't ask for research if nothing is going to sway your opinion.
I love research fact is, I can read and have more research to back me up, have you ever debated? That's what debating is, comparing research. I'm not making things up willy nilly, I'm showing same research like everybody else here, I'm just being picked on because I use the word God in my argument.

You can't use the word "God" in a scientific argument to evidence anything. Because gods are not backed up by any measurable or projected scientific basis.
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By Shiva.Tedril 2014-04-18 11:52:15
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Shiva.Tedril said: »
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I've been in a black hole... FFXI I barely escaped.
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"detected a powerful X-ray outburst from the center of a galaxy named "RX J1242-11."" This is from your source explaining how they got the information. Let me guess you think those pictures are real and not an illustration?

That you're here, on a video game forum, trying to disprove accepted astrophysics and not working for NASA or some scholarly agency being able to actually disprove decades of physics, number crunching and math speaks volumes to the persuasiveness of any argument you put forth.
I'm not disagreeing with any of the research, simply putting the pieces together, thank you for missing the point.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-04-18 11:52:46
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Yes, I believe that those illustrations are color photographs taken of black holes millions of light years away.

I don't see what you're getting at. I never said we've seen a black hole yet we know they exist based on the actions they take upon other objects like stars.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-04-18 11:53:19
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Shiva.Tedril said: »
I'm proving God
Do you even know what you say? That makes no sense, the very concept of faith is to trust what you can't prove.
You're not "picked on" because you're religious, but because you make stupid claims.
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By Shiva.Tedril 2014-04-18 11:53:32
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Lack of direct observation basically validates the existence of the Black Hole/Dark Star, since all the word means is a grouping of sufficient mass as to warp spacetime to a degree that light cannot escape.
Read this it will change your life
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-04-18 11:55:13
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Yes, I believe that those illustrations are color photographs taken from black holes millions of light years away.

I don't see what you're getting at. I never said we've seen a black hole yet we know they exist based on the actions they take upon other objects - like stars.


I think what he's trying to say, is nobody has observed the physical form of a Black Hole, as one would a planet, star or other celestial body.

A fundamentally stupid argument to be sure, as human perception is all a fabrication of the mind anyway.


Shiva.Tedril said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Lack of direct observation basically validates the existence of the Black Hole/Dark Star, since all the word means is a grouping of sufficient mass as to warp spacetime to a degree that light cannot escape.
Read this it will change your life

How does that change anything? The fact that in the forum of scientific discovery, everything is always up for review as new information is discovered isn't news. And the jury is still out on "Hawking Radiation" anyway.
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By Shiva.Tedril 2014-04-18 11:56:22
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Yes, I believe that those illustrations are color photographs taken of black holes millions of light years away.

I don't see what you're getting at. I never said we've seen a black hole yet we know they exist based on the actions they take upon other objects like stars.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Shiva.Tedril said: »
I'm proving God
Do you even know what you say? That makes no sense, the very concept of faith is to trust what you can't prove.
You're not "picked on" because you're religious, but because you make stupid claims.
Look I'm doing what science does, you can't see god or touch him or smell him. Just like black holes. However you can see what he does and has done,like create the universe. You can call it a big bang, just like if an ancient egyptian would describe a gun if he had never seen one before we describe God that way. But it changes nothing. It's our lack of understanding. I'm not bible thumping, science, philosophy, life all proves God.
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By Shiva.Tedril 2014-04-18 11:57:52
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
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Yes, I believe that those illustrations are color photographs taken from black holes millions of light years away.

I don't see what you're getting at. I never said we've seen a black hole yet we know they exist based on the actions they take upon other objects - like stars.


I think what he's trying to say, is nobody has observed the physical form of a Black Hole, as one would a planet, star or other celestial body.

A fundamentally stupid argument to be sure, as human perception is all a fabrication of the mind anyway.
Yes thank you thank you!!!! Thats exactly what I'm saying, we can't know or see anything, sorry to go all Kant on you but we don't know what its fact or not. Or senses are flawed, and our minds more so. Everything is truly faith based, so I'm no more making ***up then you all are. And I have just as much faith and information.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-04-18 11:57:55
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Shiva.Tedril said: »
That is my whole point, I'm not disproving black holes, I'm proving God,

After being conservative, being religious was my next guess.

I should just start off with that instead.
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