Job Balance?

Quick nerf blm!

No you haven't. Only BLU can. No other job is capable.

Well, at this point in the game if you only have like one job geared that is very rare. Most have a few jobs leveled and geared. Usually some form of mage, melee, and support. Reisen/Escha/Abjurations really have made gearing multiple jobs while gearing one up pretty easy.

No, this has nothing to do with individuals favorite job. People need to stop viewing job or design adjustment from a subjective pov.

I don't see how people can miss the point so well.

BST can do in 10-11mins. BLM I'm not sure of the solo time, but if it's greater than 5 mins is almost certainly a kite strategy.

BLU can do almost 4 runs in the time BST does one and doesn't use 1 hours. That's the metric and if you carefully read the post you'd understand that.

Anyway, pretty much what I expected as some of the responses. It's why a lot of people don't even bother to post here. Later!

PUP SCH and BST are able to solo VD fights and is probably easier with those jobs, In fact SCH and BST were the first to do it. BLU probably wasn't able to do it consistently until the attack cap increase in Februrary. DRG and RDM have also shown they can Solo Sinister Reign and some ilvl140 like AAGK and Seiryu.

BLU is not a DD, it is a Hybrid.

1. Yes they can cap haste but only a handful of trusts are useful as I still use Ulmia and Arciela/KoH on BLU anyway because there isn't really any other Trust that would be useful.

2. The defense boost is gravely overestimated, on VD Avatar fights you are likely using Occultation to deal with their Physical Bloodpact which makes defense level not matter and even with Cocoon + MG they will come very close to one shotting you forcing you to equip DT sets anyway when Occultation recast isn't up, I know because I do it. Outside of VD fights the same holds true, most good BLU's would cast Cocoon before a fight and forget about as it does not reduce damage as much as you think for example T3 Zitah Behemoth will still one shot you with Wild horn even with Cocoon + MG and if it doesn't it will come close, it's a front conal move which wipes Occultation so a BLU would have to switch to DT gear. Take a guess on which job you think could handle it with normal TP sets, screw it I will tell you.

DRK can NV Drain 3 a silly mob before popping and if you forgot to do it, Seigan 3rd/Eye eats it which holds true for WAR SAM DRG.

DNC can Fan Dance making it do laughable damage.

NIN Utsusemi/Migawari eats it.

RUN has Battuta which would parry it.

THF would put hate on other players.

Since we are talking about high end players, On content that's ilvl135+ BLU's defenses goes into the trash.

3. CDC may be the best Crit WS but is not the strongest and trust buffs would help out CDC as much as any other Weapon Skill and even more so for something like Resolution. CDC > CDC = Light is great but most of the time you are better off doing Multi step skillchain which BLU kind of sucks at. It's best multi step needs CA Thrahsing assault to do a 5/6 step double light while AG Rag DRK can do a 5 step double light or Dark(Scythe) all day long, WAR Can multi step all day, SAM can multi step all day as well as a few others. In fact RDM if acc isn't an issue and has Excalibur can do Savage Blade > CDC > KoTR > Savage Blade > CDC for double light you can even add requiescat in front of that but that's hard to pull off.

4. BLU is not a DD, it is a Hybrid job. One of the best but list all the jobs that can reliably cleave so people don't think OMG only BLU can. BST PLD DNC WAR and RUN that I can think of off the top of my head and I have seen GEO's and BLM's do it from time to time. BST is probably the best at the moment.

5. This is pure ignorance as evidence in this very thread , DRK WAR SAM [RUN(With support)] right off the bat out damage BLU. If BLU's that you are playing with out DD you on these jobs then it is because they have better gear,knowledge and this one might hurt but skill as well. How is using stronger damage dealers clearing content slower than weaker ones? It doesn't make sense.

6. Multiple jobs can heal themselves even if trusts die. DNC DRG SCH RDM and more when applicable, BST can heal their pets when needed.

BLU isn't a DD that can solo VD fights, it's a HYBRID JOB that can solo VD fights and it is not the only job that can do it as stated above in this post that SCH and BST were doing it before BLU and still are.

Yes. Barrier Tusk does go past the PDT cap but so does all Phalanx effects such as Phalanx and Fan Dance but it is added after DT gear. I also see 75% Defense bonus(Cocoon+MG) tossed around a lot and yes in solo play it's true but in group play it only be 50% boost as everyone gets the 25% boost from MG and then ~1 min later Cocoon drops so that 50% is gone on any fight lasting more then 1min and 30 seconds.

So while BLU is capping haste you and your friends who one of them thought BLU had the second best stats in each category which was dead wrong had discussions with incorrect information who then spread it to their friends and then to their friends and then to their friends aaaannnnnd we have a BLU bandwagon.

Show even the slightest bit of proof of these claims and I might take you seriously.

Sorry im not trolling. It's hard for me because I can't follow a linkshell schedule but I still want the shinys. How can they balance it where the casuals can also possibly work towards a aeonic other then buying it?

Note: Rune Fencer (Rua) won the parse.

Ok I said I was done but I gotta say one more thing. How in the holy hell is a blu nerf going to help you farm gil or whatever on other jobs? The other jobs will still suck after the nerf so your though has no logical sense to it. No nerf is going to bring thf back, need to accept that.

Don't bring Phalanx into this, it is just a straight damage reduction and not a %. Depending on the content Barrier Tusk will make Phalanx look lika PoS spell. Not even comparable.

It's not about difficulty in this case. Difficulty isn't everything.

The problem is that some nerfs have changed the feel of certain jobs, or some buffs could enhance said thing. There is also a real issue if they aren't able to more or less balance the very few combinations of jobs offered by FFXI.

There will always be a certain number of "OP" jobs, or slightly more convenient ones, that's normal, but SE has given the feeling that they quickly nerf stuff instead of actually taking the time to either nerf or buff but, to adapt the game around it. They also do it in a way that will sometimes change how the job is played, completely or almost, or will alter the main feeling of the job. It's pretty heavy.

BLU seems cool to play as it is while being efficient, same goes for some other jobs, but it doesn't apply to all jobs. That's the issue, not BLU.

I can solo 6 avatars at the same time with 6 different accounts on PUP. It's the laptop DJ of the ffxi job world. Does that mean that PUP is broken? No, it's still lolpup and we need buffs.

SE, buff me Moar pls.

Just incase everyone didn't read properly. Verda was claiming that no job can do it as reliably and as fast as a BLU can. I don't think the point was whether other jobs could do it or not but read what you want.

And why is your personal circumstances should be the reason to determine whether an adjustment should happen or not.

At this point I just see people keep playing the "but X job can do Y" card, or "just job change" card, or "I am casual make my life easier plz" card....when none of them are directly related to game design adjustments.

Other games receive design adjustments all the time, why is it such a big deal in FFXI.

Barrier Tusk is basically 7.5% DT if you actually swap into your DT sets.

Verda is wrong because a BLU with trusts only can not soloing VD Avatar fights in 2 minutes that ***can easily take 6+ minutes with luck which is just as long as other jobs that can solo, stop spreading misinformation.

I haven't tried since the update. But, last I recall trusts just died from AF on VD. I'll try in a sec

That's not the definition of imbalance, that's the definition of choice. You get to break out your BLU when you want to solo some gil the same way your friend does, you get to break out your RUN when you want to tank a T3 or T4 for your linkshell, you get to play GEO when you feel lazy and want to coast through some Ambuscade runs and you get to play MNK when you're running around your Mog Garden since most people wouldn't be caught dead on the job these days.

You aren't capable of bringing about change with your attitude because it's clear you don't have the will for it. I don't want to sound mean or anything, but if you're bowing out of the thread so soon it shows just how strongly you believe in your argument.


The point flew right over your head. SE WILL adjust the job(s) if they start noticing too large a portion of the population is playing BLU, GEO or whichever other job you happen to think is OP. Want to make it happen? Login, start playing BLU and convince all your friends to do the same. If you aren't willing to do that then I question your conviction.

@ Afania,

I just want other jobs to get a buff so I can play warrior, monk, unlock dark knight, lol

Or probably because they don't think arguing with a bunch of stubborn people is worth their time or stress.




This game has always been a game of being a master of a few jobs and not all of them.

Beyond gear, I forgot to mention Job points, luas and specific weapons.

I have never once met a player who can switch between each job and perform their roles at the high level for all of the jobs, and while there may be one now I doubt it is a common occurrence.


Choice is definitely a defining factor of this game but you really don't have the same luxury as choice when switching classes for higher level content that requires JPs, jse gear and specific augments on certain weapons.

Even back in the Pre Aht-Urghan days, people would only focus on or maybe two jobs but no one could switch between them all and fill their roles in a sky clear or HNM raid.

Took like 6:30 to kill, was pretty easy. Not bad at all

MNK just can't catch a break in this thread, lol.

You know a job has reached its lowest point when it just becomes a meme.

That's what the thread should be about, fixing MNK. 21 jobs in the game and all have a use throughout the game except MNK. PUP is more useful than MNK, like did you ever imagine PUP being more useful than MNK?

I'm thinking of making a MNK only LS. We'll do content with only Monks and a bard. We'll also give up shortly after clearing Delve 1.

PUP is probably the most well designed class in the game, I hope it gets more and more spotlight : D.


Surprised you would even make it past bubbly bernie.

Also for WoC and T4 Melee clears I have never switched out of my normal TP set which on BLU DRK and RUN are 1140+ outside easha no food/buffs.

What would pchan say?