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The reward for doing the run, not the additional plate. We were talking about campaigns that are more rewarding. The potential for reward is the same here regardless of how many runs you do back to back.

Your assumption is that it will be difficult to get the plate and mine is that it will not be. We'll have to wait to see who's the ***.

Lets try this again, lets put some numbers.

Lets say you have a group that goes at 7am before work, you leave for work at 8:30. If you get the plate you cant use it. If you use it at 5pm, your plate wont be recharged by 7am the next day. Zero gain.

Lets say you have a group that goes at 3pm, before the wife and kids get home, or you finish up just around the same time. Same issue as above: you cant go after because you have RL duties to tend to and doing the run later on will *** with the schedule. Zero gain.

No ones going to plan around a MAYBE doing a second run.

And heres the kicker: if you get your free plate, you cant even do anything with it. Its not a speed-charged Ruspix plate, its giving you the primary entry KI back. For most people, all it will do is shave 20 hours off their Ruspix plate.

Lets try this again, lets put some numbers.

"you have one CHANCE per day"

In your scenario where you do one run early and one run later, causing the next-day's plate to not be ready for your 7 am static, you can just borrow time from your likely unused Ruspix. In your first example you take 10 from your Ruspix and can join your group at normal start time. Even if you repeat this process, you can probably get two days worth of Ruspix time-borrowing before you run out. That's 4 runs in two days and leeching necessary time from Ruspix, before returning to once per day. And that's using your extreme example.

Bold to assume everyone has a fully charged plate.

Even bolder to assume it will last the full three weeks at that rate.

In your first example you take 10 from your Ruspix and can join your group at normal start time. Even if you repeat this process, you can probably get two days worth of Ruspix time-borrowing before you run out.

The campaign is really bad... It's not aimed at new players or established players, despite anyone's cope in either direction. It's just more disrespect of our time.

Doing ANYTHING else to enhance our runs, like they've done with EVERY OTHER campaign for any given piece of content (Odyssey even for example) would benefit both new and established players simultaneously.

Why go to bat for SE on this? When they make bad choices like this, they should be told it's really bad, no ones happy, and to do better...

MOST new players will have too much to do to bother doing double runs, assuming you can even open enough boxes to get the key item consistently and that's taking into account that they already have to have been USING their double run in the 1st place to refresh the KI

Established hardcore teams that use their KI weekly or bi-weekly depending on how frequently they run MIGHT use it and do double runs more often, but as others have said this is a FRACTION of the established teams or players who PUG.

The majority of bonus key items generated will be used to solo/practice/fix an aminon mistake, and the gains will be very sub par when you factor the time commitment and scheduling.

No matter how you toss it, having the campaign not boost runs passively in ANY way (you can debate all you want on how much is appropriate), to incentivize people to do the content more, engage in objectives, help new/returning players bridge the gap, give established players some reprieve on the horrible drop rates...? .......... That's a horrible decision, and really out of touch. Nope, none of that.

Whomever they have making some of these decisions lately is just plain out of touch... for every few things that are great (Orvail keys, Shami's Trove, Strange Happenings RSE)... We get NONSENSE decisions that no body wants or just waste great opportunities forever. (ACP HTMB, new Phantom Gem campaign, new Sortie Campaign, Limbus Telopanos weapon Augments, ...Limbus as a whole)

EDIT: And yeah, obviously it's not for a player like me... But i'm arguing its not really FOR anyone. It's just bad. If you want to help new players actually help them... If you want to make players enjoy/engage in the content for a limited time... (isnt that the point of a campaign?), make it temporarily more rewarding... They've done it with most every other campaign, I see no reason why they can't simply get this right.

Interesting, because in YOUR example, it was a guy who plays for an hour in the morning and can't play until 5pm. He's so deathly afraid of missing his group the next morning, but now we're also pretending he's USING his Ruspix plate every single time it's ready and doesn't have one available? When is HE using this plate? The gymnastics aren't necessary, we understand your initial point, but now it's sounding silly of an example.


I never assumed that, you quoted my post and still missed it:


10 hours borrowing twice is 20 hours, you can still make use of the freebie in your extreme example, if even to a limited degree, to where it won't impact your normal static's time. You might be able to repeat this weekly, so you gain like an extra 2 runs per week, even assuming the worst time stretch you created in this imaginary scenario.

Dude
Its ***
Quit trying to polish the turd
Even the JP community knows its ***

Man, what? I'm not even defending the campaign at all here, what are you talking about? I'm just challenging the incredibly unrealistic scenario that you presented and answering it within the parameters of the current Plate system. Why are you now moving the goalpost instead of addressing the scenario you created to justify why the extra KI was meaningless? You made up an entire dialogue of a guy with a wife kids who is unable to back to back plates until he gets home from work 10 hours later, and won't benefit from this campaign, and at the first pushback you go "the campaign is just *** dude!" Then you're trolling.

And I'm completely fine with people upset about the campaign, but you really don't have to invent dreamworld scenarios to explain why the campaign (which isn't even here yet) DOESN'T work for most players. It's just silliness. There will be players who hate it and players who love it. And there will be those who openly talk about how much they hate it, but will quietly amass 150k-180k Gallimaufry a day because they can't help themself with FOMO, and be better off when it's all over. It's whatever.

the scenario where everyone will be able to just turn their near-daily 1 hour of sortie event into 2 hours of sortie for 3 weeks

There isn't a single campaign (aside from maybe Login Campaign, and that still requires logging in) where 100% of the population can always benefit from it all of the time, unless it's something like a Global enhancement with Cornelia/Matsui-P or something. In most cases with campaigns, some will benefit from it, others will not. That's not unique to the Sortie extra-KI campaign (what I would call it).

2-Least made remas??? Gonna be kind of hard to compare them as price points and utility may affect things, but here goes
https://www.ffxiah.com/item/20482/glanzfaust - 210 lowest ilvl version

https://www.ffxiah.com/item/21907/nagi - I find it entirely appropriate that Nagi was overlooked in this discussion. The 117 of us with the final ilevel version registered remember.

Whereas every other REMA process generally has at least 12~14 more repetitions in it.

https://www.ffxiah.com/item/21907/nagi - I find it entirely appropriate that Nagi was overlooked in this discussion. The 117 of us with the final ilevel version registered remember.

Tbf I thought that Nagi players were unbannable because they all quit

I wish I could predict what motivates Square Enix to implement anything. Everything they do makes me quite sad. Everything they can do, but won't, is just straight up depressing.

They actually ARE giving you the potential to gain uncapped galli twice per day, just not in the direct way many are requesting.

What everyone wants: Give 1.5x-2x galli in one run
What they are giving: Another entry KI with the chance to earn upwards of an extra hour's worth of Galli

The difference between the two is obviously the latter requires more time. Players want SAME time for more rewards, not MORE time for more rewards (that's not a buff to most).

Like I said, they're not interested in speeding up progress for Sortie without a sizeable effort (more time investment) by the player. They COULD have done it that way, they didn't, they want you playing MORE. It's the same thing with Limbus; they threw extra NMs and ways to increase Units bar, but it's so annoying, most players ignore it. The hardcore players get a few extra box openings per week so they can finish their armor faster, the vast majority don't want to bother with the effort required. So it only benefits a very slim number of players because many already don't have the time to complete the content on it's own, let alone any additional content that is more of a time constraint.

It's quite an annoying way to introduce a campaign for the player, but it makes sense from their POV if you're trying to keep players on the hook as long as possible.