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Cop sued, preached Jesus during traffic stop
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-02 13:37:12
Consider the case of Albert Fish, who was dubbed the "Brooklyn Vampire." In 1935, Fish was convicted and sentenced to death for strangling a 10-year-old girl. Not only did he confess to the killing, he admitted to having cooked the child's body with bacon and vegetables and eaten it over the course of nine days. He was suspected in at least five other murders.
I don't want to consider this. That's enough internet for today. HELP.
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2014-12-02 13:38:22
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-12-02 13:45:05
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Consider the case of Albert Fish, who was dubbed the "Brooklyn Vampire." In 1935, Fish was convicted and sentenced to death for strangling a 10-year-old girl. Not only did he confess to the killing, he admitted to having cooked the child's body with bacon and vegetables and eaten it over the course of nine days. He was suspected in at least five other murders.
I don't want to consider this. That's enough internet for today. HELP.
Honestly I only read the first paragraph. I was content with the headline. Thanks for diving deeper into the Internet.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-02 14:19:42
Silver lining folks another use for bacon!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-12-03 10:28:41
That cop is so lucky he didn't run into someone like me. I would having him doubting his faith in less than five minuets.
*you are assuming that faith and doubt are mutually exclusive
* Many people think doubt is the opposite of faith. That’s not true. Unbelief is the opposite of faith.
* doubt is a necessary part of faith because faith does not mean 100% certainty.
in fact the very essence of faith doesn't come without having doubt. It is actually implored upon believers to doubt what they believe so that their belief becomes stronger. just saying your mantra is flawed if your trying to pick at the unanswerable questions about faith because there is just as much circumstantial evidence to the contrary Personally I consider agnosticism the opposite of faith. Unbelief, or atheism, is based on faith as well, but like theism its belief can not be objectively proven.
In the meantime....
A theological point to think about:
In both Jewish and Christian theology the messiah MUST be descended from the male lineage of King David. Therefor the whole tree of Jesse thing.
But if Christ is divine he has NO male lineage. Virgin birth....
So either Christ can be the savior, born of a not virgin Mary fathered by Joseph, OR he is divine and cannot be the savior.
Take your pick.
By Nazrious 2014-12-03 10:36:08
That cop is so lucky he didn't run into someone like me. I would having him doubting his faith in less than five minuets.
*you are assuming that faith and doubt are mutually exclusive
* Many people think doubt is the opposite of faith. That’s not true. Unbelief is the opposite of faith.
* doubt is a necessary part of faith because faith does not mean 100% certainty.
in fact the very essence of faith doesn't come without having doubt. It is actually implored upon believers to doubt what they believe so that their belief becomes stronger. just saying your mantra is flawed if your trying to pick at the unanswerable questions about faith because there is just as much circumstantial evidence to the contrary Personally I consider agnosticism the opposite of faith. Unbelief, or atheism, is based on faith as well, but like theism its belief can not be objectively proven.
In the meantime....
A theological point to think about:
In both Jewish and Christian theology the messiah MUST be descended from the male lineage of King David. Therefor the whole tree of Jesse thing.
But if Christ is divine he has NO male lineage. Virgin birth....
So either Christ can be the savior, born of a not virgin Mary fathered by Joseph, OR he is divine and cannot be the savior.
Take your pick.
Mary is descendant from David, jewish decent is tracked by matriarchs, fathers are not 100%. Simple misunderstanding of meaning.
Edit: also there are different flavors of agnosticism. Some can be synonymous with Unbelief. Others go the route of, It is impossible to know, but I believe anyway.
By Jetackuu 2014-12-03 21:29:56
Personally I consider agnosticism the opposite of faith. Unbelief, or atheism, is based on faith as well, but like theism its belief can not be objectively proven. You can consider it that all you want, it doesn't make it true or accurate.
Gnosticism or it's opposite agnosticism only deals with knowledge, not belief, or faith as you would put it.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-12-03 21:36:43
A gnostic atheist is the same as a gnostic theist in faith. Good luck finding a gnostic atheist though.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-04 01:01:39
That cop is so lucky he didn't run into someone like me. I would having him doubting his faith in less than five minuets.
*you are assuming that faith and doubt are mutually exclusive
* Many people think doubt is the opposite of faith. That’s not true. Unbelief is the opposite of faith.
* doubt is a necessary part of faith because faith does not mean 100% certainty.
in fact the very essence of faith doesn't come without having doubt. It is actually implored upon believers to doubt what they believe so that their belief becomes stronger. just saying your mantra is flawed if your trying to pick at the unanswerable questions about faith because there is just as much circumstantial evidence to the contrary
You will be surprised about how much faith you got each day your alive. You have faith that someone will obey a stop sign or cook your food safely. You have faith that the pilot flying the plane you may travel in isn't planning to kill himself. You have faith in a lot of things you may not realize a list could go on forever. Perhaps that officer cared about folks at least he is not abusing anyone. He is a American citizen exercising his 1st amendment rights to freedom of speech. We live in a country where you can believe in anything. You try that in China or north Korea or any nation that declares a mandatory obligation you must be there faith or risk jail or worse.
Be thankful people care about others. Because it takes faith not doubt.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-04 01:05:15
I really thought about this post because about faith I heated my lunch I had from work and gave it to a homeless man.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-04 01:10:16
would agree with the non abuse thing if the lady could have driven away as soon as the cop started preaching but seeing as she could not do so that's incredibly ***
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-04 01:12:59
on the opposite end if i were to detain someone of strong religous belief and preach the ways of your god does not exist im sure i would be in jail
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-04 01:14:31
omg i am gonna go out at 6am and preach atheism to known jehova's witnesses and mormons thank you ah.com !
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By Asura.Celoria 2014-12-04 01:29:18
That cop is so lucky he didn't run into someone like me. I would having him doubting his faith in less than five minuets.
*you are assuming that faith and doubt are mutually exclusive
* Many people think doubt is the opposite of faith. That’s not true. Unbelief is the opposite of faith.
* doubt is a necessary part of faith because faith does not mean 100% certainty.
in fact the very essence of faith doesn't come without having doubt. It is actually implored upon believers to doubt what they believe so that they their belief becomes stronger. just saying your mantra is flawed if your trying to pick at the unanswerable questions about faith because there is just as much circumstantial evidence to the contrary
So is it doubt or unbelief that made 3 jehova's witnesses flee my home after being invited in at which point I stripped and put on gay porn
If that is what you really think made them doubt their religion then you are both an amateur at making people doubt their beliefs and you don't realize what actually happened. If I saw someone do that I would leave too, not because I suddenly am scared you are the devil or I doubt my religion, I would leave because you are doing something I don't want to be a part of. That is entirely up to you to decide. One of the major things about religion was freedom to make the decision between right and wrong determined by the faith you have chosen. That is part of the faith terminology, allowing you to make the choice to believe or not to believe. Just like anyone with half a wit wouldn't let that childish action sway them from their faith.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-04 02:56:40
That cop is so lucky he didn't run into someone like me. I would having him doubting his faith in less than five minuets.
*you are assuming that faith and doubt are mutually exclusive
* Many people think doubt is the opposite of faith. That’s not true. Unbelief is the opposite of faith.
* doubt is a necessary part of faith because faith does not mean 100% certainty.
in fact the very essence of faith doesn't come without having doubt. It is actually implored upon believers to doubt what they believe so that they their belief becomes stronger. just saying your mantra is flawed if your trying to pick at the unanswerable questions about faith because there is just as much circumstantial evidence to the contrary
So is it doubt or unbelief that made 3 jehova's witnesses flee my home after being invited in at which point I stripped and put on gay porn
If that is what you really think made them doubt their religion then you are both an amateur at making people doubt their beliefs and you don't realize what actually happened. If I saw someone do that I would leave too, not because I suddenly am scared you are the devil or I doubt my religion, I would leave because you are doing something I don't want to be a part of. That is entirely up to you to decide. One of the major things about religion was freedom to make the decision between right and wrong determined by the faith you have chosen. That is part of the faith terminology, allowing you to make the choice to believe or not to believe. Just like anyone with half a wit wouldn't let that childish action sway them from their faith.
Well said and you are absolutely right about making your freedom of choice in regards to Christianity god gave each of us free will whether to return to the light to be with him or enter darkness and be without him. That is surprising to me and I am honored to be given the chance and to at least put my faith in it.
Now to slightly change topic on freedom of choice in America we use to have the freedom to have insurance or not and have a drivers license. We also use to have the freedom to take a leak on the side of the road. There is more freedoms that we do not have that we use too that our fore fathers fought to give us freedoms in the first place. The fault is in the lack of education about your rights. The less you know about your freedoms and rights the more can be taken from you. Which makes me wonder where the millions if not billions of tax payers moneys goes to education.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-12-04 10:33:03
Mary is descendant from David, jewish decent is tracked by matriarchs, fathers are not 100%. Simple misunderstanding of meaning.... It isn't about the genetics, its about the theology. The theology specifically states male line decent.
By Ramyrez 2014-12-04 10:38:56
You have faith that someone will obey a stop sign
Clearly you don't drive where I drive. Taking this belief too seriously is a good way to get yourself in a collision.
By Jetackuu 2014-12-04 10:41:45
People forget that there's a difference between faith with reason(something we all use all the time), and blind faith (something some of us use all the time).
They're rather different concepts, but most ignore that they're even different.
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By fonewear 2014-12-04 10:42:07
Misspost:
Um when you wear a purple cowboy suit being executed is the last of your worries...
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By Jetackuu 2014-12-04 10:44:31
Misspost:
Um when you wear a cowboy suit being executed is the last of your worries... ftfy
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By fonewear 2014-12-04 10:50:32
One must wonder other than a gay cowboy when do you get a chance to wear a purple cowboy suit ?
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By Siren.Sieha 2014-12-04 10:50:59
so if the cop told the person that there is no god, no after life and that their driving could cause them to leave this world too soon. Would he have still been sue'ed?
By fonewear 2014-12-04 10:52:35
They are cops they can do anything they want ! You know what happens when you argue with police...
By Ramyrez 2014-12-04 10:54:52
One must wonder other than a gay cowboy when do you get a chance to wear a purple cowboy suit ?
"Las Vegas stage show" comes to mind?
By Ramyrez 2014-12-04 10:55:50
They are cops they can do anything they want ! You know what happens when you argue with police...
You give them a well-thought-out, rationale explenation and they let you off with a warning.
Obviously.
Edit: Oh wait. You mean "what happens when you physically assault or otherwise engage with a trigger-happy redneck with a badge and a gun".
Yeah. That's not smart. It's like crossing a street without looking both ways at a crosswalk. Sure, you might have right of way, but now you've got right of way while in traction.
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By Creaucent Alazrin 2014-12-04 10:59:19
They are cops they can do anything they want ! You know what happens when you argue with police...
You get shot and made into doughnuts!
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By Siren.Sieha 2014-12-04 11:02:08
They are cops they can do anything they want ! You know what happens when you argue with police...
Edit: Oh wait. You mean "what happens when you physically assault or otherwise engage with a trigger-happy redneck with a badge and a gun".
Not just rednecks, any police.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/justice/cleveland-police-shooting/index.html?iref=allsearch
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By Valefor.Endoq 2014-12-04 11:19:03
Cop has the same first amendment right, and that lady could have at any time spoken up and told him to move this along because she is not interested, now if the cop arrested her for that reason then he would be violating his posistion as a government official.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-04 12:21:43
People forget that there's a difference between faith with reason(something we all use all the time), and blind faith (something some of us use all the time).
They're rather different concepts, but most ignore that they're even different.
Jetackuu consider this what if you gambled that there was a eternity in a place called heaven with a holy father and you was right, you just hit the jackpot and do not have to worry just by taking that logical reason to believe. if you was wrong in your belief then what do you got to lose but a dirt nap right ?
But what if you was wrong and there was a really a place that was called Hell that you could spend a eternity in suffering, then again if your belief was wrong the dirt nap answer pops up.
I would put my chips in in faith its a win win and if your wrong, what do you got to lose?
10/10 people die we can not make any promises our next heart beat will keep beating. Think about eternity if you had a choice and you do.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-04 12:27:54
You have faith that someone will obey a stop sign
Clearly you don't drive where I drive. Taking this belief too seriously is a good way to get yourself in a collision.
I live between Boston Hartford and new York, i love the people, just not there reading comprehension about speed limit signs,lol
take i84 for example, a road that has a long 50 limit and a decent 55 limit, yet folks go 80-90 and i'm the only one going the limit.
those numbers really are not suggestions,lol i bet Ct could pay its state debt off alone with speeding tickets if enforced properly
Lawsuit: State trooper preached about Jesus during traffic stop
Selected paragraphs:
Quote: Ellen Bogan expects police to protect and serve — not proselytize.
But she says Indiana State Police Trooper Brian Hamilton pitched Christianity to her when he pulled her over for an alleged traffic violation in August on U.S. 27 in Union County....
Bogan and the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana have filed a lawsuit in federal court against Hamilton. The lawsuit alleges he violated Bogan's First and Fourth Amendment rights when he probed into her religious background and handed her a church pamphlet that asks the reader "to acknowledge that she is a sinner."....
"The most important thing for people to understand is that the First Amendment specifies that the government shall not prefer one religion over another religion, or religious adherence over anything else," said Jennifer Drobac, a professor at the Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law in Indianapolis who has studied religion and government.
"The police officer is representing the government ... so that means, as a representative, this person, while on duty, while engaged in official action, is basically overstepping and is trying to establish religion."....
Micah Clark, executive director of the American Family Association of Indiana, said that although the traffic stop might not have been the best time to quiz someone about faith, he questioned whether a police officer should lose his right to free speech because he is wearing a badge.
"I have people pass out religious material all the time. Mormons come to my door all the time, and it doesn't offend me," Clark said. "(This case) might not be the most persuasive time to talk to someone about their faith, but I don't think that a police officer is prohibited from doing something like that."....
That cop is so lucky he didn't run into someone like me. I would having him doubting his faith in less than five minuets.
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