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Cop sued, preached Jesus during traffic stop
By Ramyrez 2014-12-04 12:29:27
Not just rednecks, any police.
My bad. I know "redneck" tends to describe people in Podunk County, Bumfuck Nowhere, but I tend to use the word "redneck" to describe their collective mindset wherever it occurs.
Basically in this case, the "I feel I have a reason to shoot something and I think I have a reasonably good chance to get away with it; I think I'll do it."
By Ramyrez 2014-12-04 12:42:15
Jetackuu consider this what if you gambled that there was a eternity in a place called heaven with a holy father and you was right, you just hit the jackpot and do not have to worry just by taking that logical reason to believe. if you was wrong in your belief then what do you got to lose but a dirt nap right ?
Believing in a deity "just in case" is possibly the most insulting concept ever. If you were that deity, and people didn't really pray to you because they wanted to believe in you but "just in case", do you really think that's going to fly with an all-knowing being? Especially one who in his hot-headed youth (old testament) was so jealous if you worshipped another god that he would smite you?
Worst proselytizing tactic ever. Get bent.
those numbers really are not suggestions,lol i bet Ct could pay its state debt off alone with speeding tickets if enforced properly
If stopping people for speeding 10-15 MPH over the limit were profitable, police would do it more. And if they put out enough police to stop everyone doing 20-30 MPH over, people would cry crocodile tears about the tax burden you've put on them to staff that kind of police force.
Additionally, accident rates due to speeding alone are rare. Normally there's alcohol involved, poor road conditions, and potentially other moving violations involved on another driver's behalf.
Department of Transportation statistics regarding speeding accidents
Inversely, running stop signs and turn signal violations are major things that you practically never see ticketed, especially the latter.
Not Using Turn Signals Causes More Accidents Than Distracted Driving
Red-light running is the leading cause of urban crashes according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
By Jetackuu 2014-12-04 12:42:42
People forget that there's a difference between faith with reason(something we all use all the time), and blind faith (something some of us use all the time).
They're rather different concepts, but most ignore that they're even different.
Jetackuu consider this what if you gambled that there was a eternity in a place called heaven with a holy father and you was right, you just hit the jackpot and do not have to worry just by taking that logical reason to believe. if you was wrong in your belief then what do you got to lose but a dirt nap right ?
But what if you was wrong and there was a really a place that was called Hell that you could spend a eternity in suffering, then again if your belief was wrong the dirt nap answer pops up.
I would put my chips in in faith its a win win and if your wrong, what do you got to lose?
10/10 people die we can not make any promises our next heart beat will keep beating. Think about eternity if you had a choice and you do.
Pascal's wager, that's one hell of an old argument.
Got anything new?
as for what do I have to lose?
my sanity, dignity and self respect, just to name a few.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-04 12:49:31
my sanity, dignity and self respect, just to name a few.
Not to mention several hours of my Sunday listening to someone lie to me prolifically, which if you asume three hours to get ready, go, and come back comes out to like 17 days a year.
That's a lot of free time to waste on a "maybe".
Hell, if you tithe the Catholic church at the "suggested" rates, you're also putting your money into it gambling that there's a God and an afterlife payout.
If you spent that much time and money at a casino in a year, people would tell you that you had a gambling problem.
Just sayin'.
Edit: Long story short, please, just the facts officer/trooper. I was speeding, I'll fess up and take my ticket, we can both be on our way.
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By Lakshmi.Ryanx 2014-12-04 13:12:12
lol What a joke this is. Something about religion I just do not trust I do not want to say much about it because got to do more research on the topic and I know it can be a very touchy topic for some people. Might of been some purity's long time ago and where some of the religion's started but with this day and age I do not trust anything.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-04 21:55:19
That cop is so lucky he didn't run into someone like me. I would having him doubting his faith in less than five minuets.
*you are assuming that faith and doubt are mutually exclusive
* Many people think doubt is the opposite of faith. That’s not true. Unbelief is the opposite of faith.
* doubt is a necessary part of faith because faith does not mean 100% certainty. I
in fact the very essence of faith doesn't come without having doubt. It is actually implored upon believers to doubt what they believe so that they their belief becomes stronger. just saying your mantra is flawed if your trying to pick at the unanswerable questions about faith because there is just as much circumstantial evidence to the contrary
So is it doubt or unbelief that made 3 jehova's witnesses flee my home after being invited in at which point I stripped and put on gay porn
If that is what you really think made them doubt their religion then you are both an amateur at making people doubt their beliefs and you don't realize what actually happened. If I saw someone do that I would leave too, not because I suddenly am scared you are the devil or I doubt my religion, I would leave because you are doing something I don't want to be a part of. That is entirely up to you to decide. One of the major things about religion was freedom to make the decision between right and wrong determined by the faith you have chosen. That is part of the faith terminology, allowing you to make the choice to believe or not to believe. Just like anyone with half a wit wouldn't let that childish action sway them from their faith.
Lol the fact that comment was taken so seriously just shows desperation. I did that ***to avenge myself for being unjustly roused from what few hours I sleep
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-04 21:57:36
my sanity, dignity and self respect, just to name a few.
Not to mention several hours of my Sunday listening to someone lie to me prolifically, which if you asume three hours to get ready, go, and come back comes out to like 17 days a year.
That's a lot of free time to waste on a "maybe".
Hell, if you tithe the Catholic church at the "suggested" rates, you're also putting your money into it gambling that there's a God and an afterlife payout.
If you spent that much time and money at a casino in a year, people would tell you that you had a gambling problem.
Just sayin'.
Edit: Long story short, please, just the facts officer/trooper. I was speeding, I'll fess up and take my ticket, we can both be on our way.
who said you had to go to a church? Jesus did not. Church is in your heart you take it everywhere. It is not confined by a building like a secret society.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-04 21:59:02
Or it's all a myth invented as a mass control device by elder males fearing their own mortality
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-04 22:06:52
i just remember those few city's listed in the bible that were destroyed because of their own morality. Sodom and Gomorrah they existed that is fact.
but here is the thing i am not forcing anyone to believe. That is your choice alone that you make personally. I respect you all individually because your one of a kind we was all given free will.
By Jetackuu 2014-12-04 22:15:34
A whole bunch of men named Jesus exist/existed too, some of us can go down to the local Home Depot and hire a couple to build a shed for next to nothing.
Carpenter joke to boot, go me.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-04 22:17:10
Every *** time you post I hear it in bender's voice and it just fits
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-04 22:19:25
A whole bunch of men named Jesus exist/existed too, some of us can go down to the local Home Depot and hire a couple to build a shed for next to nothing.
Carpenter joke to boot, go me.
I bet they was named in honor of him. Just like George Washington.
The Inventor of Peanut Butter was also named George Washington he was a free man and without him we would never know the wonder of peanut butter. He broke his barriers found what he was made to do and i know i still enjoy peanut butter today thanks to him.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-04 22:26:51
Honest question lordgrim does this not seem like abuse of a situation? The lady can't leave without it being a charge (felony in some cases) so this cop is taking advantage of that fact to gain audience?
By Jetackuu 2014-12-04 22:36:57
Every *** time you post I hear it in bender's voice and it just fits Bite my shiny metal, oh your god, what have I done?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-12-04 22:38:01
Cop has the same first amendment right, and that lady could have at any time spoken up and told him to move this along because she is not interested, now if the cop arrested her for that reason then he would be violating his posistion as a government official. You didn't read the article in the opening post.
While the cop is in uniform he is an agent of the state (broad sense, no mater if he is county, city, or state cop.) And the state is prohibited from preferring a religion (much to the dismay of city councils who now have atheists and satanists setting up monuments and offering invocations to open city council meetings.)
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Quote: Bogan and the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana have filed a lawsuit in federal court against Hamilton. The lawsuit alleges he violated Bogan's First and Fourth Amendment rights when he probed into her religious background and handed her a church pamphlet that asks the reader "to acknowledge that she is a sinner."....
"The most important thing for people to understand is that the First Amendment specifies that the government shall not prefer one religion over another religion, or religious adherence over anything else," said Jennifer Drobac, a professor at the Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law in Indianapolis who has studied religion and government.
"The police officer is representing the government ... so that means, as a representative, this person, while on duty, while engaged in official action, is basically overstepping and is trying to establish religion."....
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-04 22:41:01
I'm a paramedic so say a priest/pastor whatever gets hit by a bus would it be moral or legal for that matter for me to use the trip to the hospital to preach my disbelief to him?
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By Jetackuu 2014-12-04 22:47:23
I'm a paramedic so say a priest/pastor whatever gets hit by a bus would it be moral or legal for that matter for me to use the trip to the hospital to preach my disbelief to him? Doubt it, but it would be considered by most a rather *** move, almost even by me, I'm on the fence at the moment.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-04 22:53:49
I'm not saying I would i'm for the most part professional just trying to provide an example using myself as the asshat
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-05 03:27:38
Honest question lordgrim does this not seem like abuse of a situation? The lady can't leave without it being a charge (felony in some cases) so this cop is taking advantage of that fact to gain audience?
Absolutely not she clearly gained attention for the officer to pull her over and she provided information to the officer when he requested it. Which by law if you give any information other then "I plea the 5th am I being detained officer? may I freely travel or I would like a lawyer".
You get yourself under contract with the judicial system that the judge can use against you. Which turns into legal fees which can put you up against state prosecution and if taken further possible constitutional judgment. In either case you will be paying legal fees court costs then sentence cost for the traffic infraction committed and or possible driving point penalties.
Moral of the story is it is in your best interest to be polite and know your rights. A police officer is not your enemy the words you use make yourself look criminal which they can use to then arrest and take your freedoms away.
By Voren 2014-12-05 03:31:41
Cop has the same first amendment right
Actually the SCotUS has upheld that police officers are not afforded the protection under the first amendment.
I recently had to redact my facebook and change some photos due to policy. Anything we say at any time in any manor can later be used against us.
While the cop is in uniform he is an agent of the state (broad sense, no mater if he is county, city, or state cop.)
It's not just while in uniform, it's while employed by an agency no matter what level. This also includes dispatchers and administration.
This cop failed. I'm not an atheist just yet, had way too many close calls and ***that should have went sideways and didn't. I'll not preach to someone, but I'm not going to dismiss the possibility either whether it's God, Jehovah, Zeus, Odin, Lady Luck, Satan, whatever you want to call it.
By Ramyrez 2014-12-05 07:44:20
A police officer is not your enemy the words you use make yourself look criminal which they can use to then arrest and take your freedoms away.
...none of that has anything to do with the situation.
Cop pulls woman over for speeding and begins proselytizing. End of story.
That is in no way, shape, or form appropriate. Ever. And it is an abuse of power.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-05 09:52:02
A police officer is not your enemy the words you use make yourself look criminal which they can use to then arrest and take your freedoms away.
...none of that has anything to do with the situation.
Cop pulls woman over for speeding and begins proselytizing. End of story.
That is in no way, shape, or form appropriate. Ever. And it is an abuse of power.
What do we know what the woman said to the officer was there a official recording of everything? perhaps the officer thought she needed morals after hearing her complain or rant or rave?
i know folks have opinion on belief i am perfectly fine by that like i said when in America you are allowed.
i really think those 10 commandments are good to live by but am i perfect absolutely not and i do not claim to be. If things like this keep getting reported on sooner or later they will make saying hello illegal " how dare you say hello to me it has a part of hell and the letter o on the end i am offended i am suing".
All this is to grab attention from real issues that matter Social media is doing a great job misleading us and it feels a lot of folks lack the willpower to say enough is enough we want our freedoms back to live our lives the way we want to live. United as One People on the greatest nation in my opinion this known history has had. Furthermore in my opinion god willing still will be a beacon for other nations that freedom is obtainable. All it takes is motivation and cooperation to collectively acknowledge those who are currently representing us do not relate. So we must agree the Will represent for profit era needs to end. We need the Will represent to restore our Republic for and by the people and think of our country FIRST and foremost.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-12-05 09:58:30
Honest question lordgrim does this not seem like abuse of a situation? The lady can't leave without it being a charge (felony in some cases) so this cop is taking advantage of that fact to gain audience?
Absolutely not she clearly gained attention for the officer to pull her over and she provided information to the officer when he requested it. Which by law if you give any information other then "I plea the 5th am I being detained officer? may I freely travel or I would like a lawyer".
You get yourself under contract with the judicial system that the judge can use against you. Which turns into legal fees which can put you up against state prosecution and if taken further possible constitutional judgment. In either case you will be paying legal fees court costs then sentence cost for the traffic infraction committed and or possible driving point penalties.
Moral of the story is it is in your best interest to be polite and know your rights. A police officer is not your enemy the words you use make yourself look criminal which they can use to then arrest and take your freedoms away.
That's a sickening response Lordgrim, and would absolutely be an abuse of the situation.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-05 10:02:35
A police officer is not your enemy the words you use make yourself look criminal which they can use to then arrest and take your freedoms away.
...none of that has anything to do with the situation.
Cop pulls woman over for speeding and begins proselytizing. End of story.
That is in no way, shape, or form appropriate. Ever. And it is an abuse of power.
who defines what is appropriate?
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-05 10:04:53
Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Honest question lordgrim does this not seem like abuse of a situation? The lady can't leave without it being a charge (felony in some cases) so this cop is taking advantage of that fact to gain audience?
Absolutely not she clearly gained attention for the officer to pull her over and she provided information to the officer when he requested it. Which by law if you give any information other then "I plea the 5th am I being detained officer? may I freely travel or I would like a lawyer".
You get yourself under contract with the judicial system that the judge can use against you. Which turns into legal fees which can put you up against state prosecution and if taken further possible constitutional judgment. In either case you will be paying legal fees court costs then sentence cost for the traffic infraction committed and or possible driving point penalties.
Moral of the story is it is in your best interest to be polite and know your rights. A police officer is not your enemy the words you use make yourself look criminal which they can use to then arrest and take your freedoms away.
That's a sickening response Lordgrim, and would absolutely be an abuse of the situation.
how is it sick to write a speeding ticket? your mad at the officer ? you should be mad at the folks who regulated the speed limit for that state.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-12-05 10:11:41
Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Honest question lordgrim does this not seem like abuse of a situation? The lady can't leave without it being a charge (felony in some cases) so this cop is taking advantage of that fact to gain audience?
Absolutely not she clearly gained attention for the officer to pull her over and she provided information to the officer when he requested it. Which by law if you give any information other then "I plea the 5th am I being detained officer? may I freely travel or I would like a lawyer".
You get yourself under contract with the judicial system that the judge can use against you. Which turns into legal fees which can put you up against state prosecution and if taken further possible constitutional judgment. In either case you will be paying legal fees court costs then sentence cost for the traffic infraction committed and or possible driving point penalties.
Moral of the story is it is in your best interest to be polite and know your rights. A police officer is not your enemy the words you use make yourself look criminal which they can use to then arrest and take your freedoms away.
That's a sickening response Lordgrim, and would absolutely be an abuse of the situation.
how is it sick to write a speeding ticket? your mad at the officer ? you should be mad at the folks who regulated the speed limit for that state.
The cop using his authority to preach jesus nonsense is what is wrong, not the ticket.
By Ramyrez 2014-12-05 10:15:14
If you can't figure out why it's wrong for a law enforcement officer to proselytize during a routine traffic stop then you lack a fundamental understanding of civil liberties.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-05 10:16:47
I just wish more people realized that preaching faith at inappropriate times does more to turn people away than it does to bring people in. The same could be said of almost any viewpoint one is trying to promote, though.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-12-05 11:05:58
I'm a paramedic so say a priest/pastor whatever gets hit by a bus would it be moral or legal for that matter for me to use the trip to the hospital to preach my disbelief to him? Do you work for an agency of the state, like say the fire department, or a private ambulance service?
Moral, doubtful, legal in the later case.
Cop has the same first amendment right
Actually the SCotUS has upheld that police officers are not afforded the protection under the first amendment.
I recently had to redact my facebook and change some photos due to policy. Anything we say at any time in any manor can later be used against us.... I thought on your off hours and not in uniform, you could indulge in activities that were prohibited while being a public servant.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-05 11:35:17
I work for the state and my question was redundant
Lawsuit: State trooper preached about Jesus during traffic stop
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Quote: Ellen Bogan expects police to protect and serve — not proselytize.
But she says Indiana State Police Trooper Brian Hamilton pitched Christianity to her when he pulled her over for an alleged traffic violation in August on U.S. 27 in Union County....
Bogan and the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana have filed a lawsuit in federal court against Hamilton. The lawsuit alleges he violated Bogan's First and Fourth Amendment rights when he probed into her religious background and handed her a church pamphlet that asks the reader "to acknowledge that she is a sinner."....
"The most important thing for people to understand is that the First Amendment specifies that the government shall not prefer one religion over another religion, or religious adherence over anything else," said Jennifer Drobac, a professor at the Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law in Indianapolis who has studied religion and government.
"The police officer is representing the government ... so that means, as a representative, this person, while on duty, while engaged in official action, is basically overstepping and is trying to establish religion."....
Micah Clark, executive director of the American Family Association of Indiana, said that although the traffic stop might not have been the best time to quiz someone about faith, he questioned whether a police officer should lose his right to free speech because he is wearing a badge.
"I have people pass out religious material all the time. Mormons come to my door all the time, and it doesn't offend me," Clark said. "(This case) might not be the most persuasive time to talk to someone about their faith, but I don't think that a police officer is prohibited from doing something like that."....
That cop is so lucky he didn't run into someone like me. I would having him doubting his faith in less than five minuets.
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