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 Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-03-05 07:35:57
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There's yztarg in Kamhir as well.
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By pchan 2014-03-05 08:00:35
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This will probably fail because the best weapon will remain RME, and stuff like oatixur what was made people do delve v1. Plenty of ilevel 119 gear available everywhere with hard to beat skirmish augments. Unless they link this to further upgrading rme it's going to fail badly. I fear that they are going to link it with the last upgrades of relic. New relic are bad as is, so if delve2 turns out to be a mean to +2 relic it's going to be a giant facepalm...
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By Shiva.Tedril 2014-03-05 08:02:21
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pchan said: »
This will probably fail because the best weapon will remain RME, and stuff like oatixur what was made people do delve v1. Plenty of ilevel 119 gear available everywhere with hard to beat skirmish augments. Unless they link this to further upgrading rme it's going to fail badly. I fear that they are going to link it with the last upgrades of relic. New relic are bad as is, so of delve turn out to be a mean to +2 relic it's going to be a giant facepalm...
I think you underestimate how many people without REM poking around in delve
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2014-03-05 08:26:52
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pchan said: »
This will probably fail because the best weapon will remain RME, and stuff like oatixur what was made people do delve v1. Plenty of ilevel 119 gear available everywhere with hard to beat skirmish augments. Unless they link this to further upgrading rme it's going to fail badly. I fear that they are going to link it with the last upgrades of relic. New relic are bad as is, so if delve2 turns out to be a mean to +2 relic it's going to be a giant facepalm...

Even if RME stay the best weapon, morimar delve was pretty instrumental at making monk a popular job again.
Alot of people that never really played monk took it up once they had Oatixurs fall into their lap or got the plasm+KI to get them.
Also needing mantra for tojil himself and matamata mechanics just further reinforced that, and thats kind of a neat way to design content.

I see the megaboss weapons more as a gateway drug for people to consider playing jobs that they would otherwise never try to seriously gear out. The same thing happened to a lesser extent when people got upukirex for their casually played DRG and Tsurumarus for SAM.

Some of those people took playing the job to the next level and made an RME for them simply because a good delve boss drop came their way to get them started. I've seen the same sort of pattern emerge with people that got AA/DM weapons.
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By Creaucent Alazrin 2014-03-05 09:10:46
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Its Pchan he fails to understand most things and next lot of weapons are Gaxe/bow/GS/Axe/Club/Scythe/Staff. So what if theres 3 lots of ilvl119 weapons this gives people without REMs other options rather than sticking to 117 or 115 weapons. I can wait for the 119 duck cap its a good piece now so will be even better do want some racc/ratt on it though.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-03-05 09:33:36
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pchan said: »
This will probably fail because the best weapon will remain RME, and stuff like oatixur what was made people do delve v1. Plenty of ilevel 119 gear available everywhere with hard to beat skirmish augments. Unless they link this to further upgrading rme it's going to fail badly. I fear that they are going to link it with the last upgrades of relic. New relic are bad as is, so if delve2 turns out to be a mean to +2 relic it's going to be a giant facepalm...


Not every RME is the best weapon....
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-03-05 09:38:40
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Ragnarok.Afania said: »
pchan said: »
This will probably fail because the best weapon will remain RME, and stuff like oatixur what was made people do delve v1. Plenty of ilevel 119 gear available everywhere with hard to beat skirmish augments. Unless they link this to further upgrading rme it's going to fail badly. I fear that they are going to link it with the last upgrades of relic. New relic are bad as is, so if delve2 turns out to be a mean to +2 relic it's going to be a giant facepalm...


Not every RME is the best weapon....

Job that aren't monk are irrelevant to this discusion
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By Sieha1 2014-03-05 09:47:31
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So to summarize, unless new delve includes some item like marrows, pchan isnt interested.
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By Asura.Ivykyori 2014-03-05 10:55:47
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Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Incoming fodder that pops shock spikes, ice spikes again and stoneskin!

Time for bosses speculation!

Penguin, Roc, Colibri, Hippogryph and Tulfaire for Marjami

Morbol, Rafflesia, Panopt, Treant, Snapweed for Yorcia

Rabbit, Tiger, Raaz, Ram and Yztarg for Kamhir

Place your bets!(there's lots to chose for plants)
When it comes to plants, I expect at least a Chloris Mandragora with Doom. The Yumcax is going to use Doom, we already know that, I don't expect them to shy away from throwing another Doom NM at us. Besides that, not sure what to expect, to tired to come up with a list right now, I'll try my own list when I wake up.

I kinda wanna see a mandy too. Partly because they are so damn cute that you wouldn't THINK that there are mandies that can actually kill you (IE Chloris).

As I haven't done a wkr yet, I only know of horror stories of Yumcax. AoE doom with no timer is kinda mean. >.>
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By Ragnarok.Bepe 2014-03-05 10:57:04
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The new 119 staff from kahmir is going to be devastating... I wouldn't be surprised if it is equal to or beats Laevateiin without aftermath. Will probably ***all over my claustrum q.q!!!!!! Hopefully it beats Venabelum because AA taru and his drop rates can suck it! RDM nuking will increase if the magic damage on this staff is as high as I'm hoping it to be. They really should add another craftable staff for smn, because smn being on baqil staff is useless.... (same with smn being on claustrum)... they really didn't think things through.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-03-05 11:03:50
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i recall fondly the stfu pchan gif from the days of yore
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By Bismarck.Hsieh 2014-03-05 11:10:10
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I can't wait for these new weapons/equipment and the amount of complaints on how hard the content will be to obtain them.
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By Sieha1 2014-03-05 11:10:43
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AA gear us supposed to be rare. delve gear is more common, if nothing else by the fact that you can buy it with points instead of relying on the drop.

Its highly likely they will keep the current setup with 6-18 people. It seems to be working well so far.

I could be off on this but it seemed that the teir 1-3 were mobs present as adds in the WKR and teir 4-5 were old mobs that sucked to kill.

I wonder if they outside nms will be weakened like the old delve ones are. that would make beading runs a bit easier.
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By Ragnarok.Bepe 2014-03-05 11:12:54
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Creaucent Alazrin said: »
Its Pchan he fails to understand most things and next lot of weapons are Gaxe/bow/GS/Axe/Club/Scythe/Staff. So what if theres 3 lots of ilvl119 weapons this gives people without REMs other options rather than sticking to 117 or 115 weapons. I can wait for the 119 duck cap its a good piece now so will be even better do want some racc/ratt on it though.

119 Greatsword should be fun for run!
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By Ragnarok.Bepe 2014-03-05 11:14:13
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By the way... are we sure this is going to be 119 content and not like 125 >.>?

Edit: Let me rephrase. Ark Angel VD are considered 119++. So I guess this may be considered 119++ too? The question I'm really asking is are we certain this will drop item level 119 gear?
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By Sieha1 2014-03-05 11:14:30
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Bismarck.Hsieh said: »
I can't wait for these new weapons/equipment and the amount of complaints on how hard the content will be to obtain them.

For the old delve, everyone had to get geared up from outside nms to be able to really have a good shot at them. Likely the level will not increase and everyone that is already at 119 will not have to really upgrade just get used to the fight and have a strategy. I dont see them being hard or unbeatable for long like the others were.

AOE doom... paralyze aura... thunderbolt up your... bad but not unbeatable.

edit: They seems to like making content for pld's these days so likely they will cause more need for plds and rng setup that we have been seeing.
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By Ragnarok.Bepe 2014-03-05 11:18:17
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Sieha1 said: »
Bismarck.Hsieh said: »
I can't wait for these new weapons/equipment and the amount of complaints on how hard the content will be to obtain them.

For the old delve, everyone had to get geared up from outside nms to be able to really have a good shot at them. Likely the level will not increase and everyone that is already at 119 will not have to really upgrade just get used to the fight and have a strategy. I dont see them being hard or unbeatable for long like the others were.

AOE doom... paralyze aura... thunderbolt up your... bad but not unbeatable.

edit: They seems to like making content for pld's these days so likely they will cause more need for plds and rng setup that we have been seeing.

And already the mindset shifts to pld... screw pld! (no offense) RUN tank lets go! Especially for marjaimi with its you can't shield block aura.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2014-03-05 11:39:39
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Yorcia we have Snapweeds, Sapplings, Treant and Panopts I cant think of any other plantoid mobs in that zone off the top ofy head.
Rafflesia also. A rafflesia NM that Charm-ga's the whole alliance is almost an absolute certainty for Yorcia Delve.

Get ready for Raskovink v2.0
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2014-03-05 11:48:54
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
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Yorcia we have Snapweeds, Sapplings, Treant and Panopts I cant think of any other plantoid mobs in that zone off the top ofy head.
Rafflesia also. A rafflesia NM that Charm-ga's the whole alliance is almost an absolute certainty for Yorcia Delve.

Get ready for Raskovink v2.0
Or they could re-use the morta model and make a NM with that.
They reused the adamantoise model for morimar, and the purple peiste from wotg so its possible to get some cross expansion NM model reuse.
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By Leoheart 2014-03-05 12:31:18
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Leafkins, leafkins everywhere
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By Sylph.Systematicchaos 2014-03-05 12:31:44
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I'm eagerly looking forward to a Colibri using Wise Crack on the first few groups of unsuspecting adventurers.
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By lunariancrystal 2014-03-05 12:32:08
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All I see here is the current trend of "If you're a DD that isn't RNG then GTFO"
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-05 12:40:14
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lunariancrystal said: »
All I see here is the current trend of "If you're a DD that isn't RNG then GTFO"

well if it makes you feel better Marjami Delve is going to be Rng, Apex/Nama's Sam, Drg, Thf and Dnc friendly.
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By Leviathan.Joyroth 2014-03-05 12:44:18
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Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
I'm eagerly looking forward to a Colibri using Wise Crack on the first few groups of unsuspecting adventurers.
That VW gave me a few laughs.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-03-05 13:02:09
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Ragnarok.Bepe said: »
RUN tank lets go! Especially for marjaimi with its you can't shield block aura.
And can't parry either.
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By Siren.Novadragon 2014-03-05 13:53:13
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
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RUN tank lets go! Especially for marjaimi with its you can't shield block aura.
And can't parry either.

Issue is Hurkans attacks are barely physical.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-03-05 13:54:54
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He can dispel vallation/valiance, Aegis is still better.
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By Siren.Novadragon 2014-03-05 13:57:44
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Static Prison is Hurkans most deadly attack. Magic Def Bonus down and you're history from that move. (Except for Aegis Paladins)