SE: "no Longer Need To Use Thief’s Knife" (eventually)

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Very interesting, thanks.

A very clear answer to a question that has been at hand for a very long time.

Limit initial TH proc so 119 gear will hit proc level with out need for thief's knife. I like it.

Eventually: about three years from now.

Probably around the time we get Cait Sith and Atomos.

SE sounds like me when I would work on a project for school. I'll get to it eventually (day before it is due)

They've actually gotten a lot better about things - new development team and all. But yeah, I know what you mean.

Allegedly... But I'll believe it when I can summon him.

What's the issue again? Push a macro to change subweapon after initial TH is on the mob, right?

They should just keep the same name on the new one. That way you can't equip 2 of them even if they're different levels because of the rare tag.

It's not like it'd be confusing to talk about either the lv 70 or ilv 119 one or whatever it would be.

Also, It'd be a whole lot easier to implement than trying to mess with other TH gear.

A) Because you lose TP when you switch daggers.

B) SE has stated when you stay in TH gear it increases chances of upgrading TH level. So if you're going specifically for TH12 then you want to keep it on.

Use old THF knife for a quest to get your new THF knife, just like Purple > Brown > Black Belt. Preposterous!!!

I'm more than happy if they don't release a new th weapon. Th should be for gear only.

Probably be something like the pet stats for SMN DRG BST and PUP.

If you have a weapon equipped in the main hand with ilvl 100+ you get +1 TH up to the gear cap of 4.

Cap stays the same 3 for JTs, 4 from gear and in 2/3 months when they upgrade Empy gear to ilvl status everything is over ilvl100.

Like the official Square Enix Reps?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/27974-TH-Procing?p=377001#post377001

Yes you can hit TH7 on first swing and switch out and get TH8, but getting to TH8 takes longer without the gear than with the gear.

For farming fodder mobs it doesn't make much of a difference since they die so fast, besides the annoyance of losing tp, but for something with a super rare drop that you want to maximize TH it does make a difference.

But what they're saying is you could potentially get the new THF knife from quest and then just buy the old one again and dual wield 2 knives with TH on it.

You can have both a black and brown belt if you want, but you can't equip both at the same time which makes it useless. If you could equip both at same time there would be people who would do just that.

If they keep the same name it eliminates the possibility though regardless is there is a quest or not.

Needs moar ilvl oynos rly. Who even cared about the thf knife, if you're killing something with it equipped then kill speed/DPS never mattered anyway aka behemoth.

For farming common drops, like dynamis currency, leveling up TH is counterproductive because damage is more important than TH level on a multitude of mobs. However, if you are trying to farm something like Defending Ring, you are being stupid (or ignorant) if you are taking off TH gear after the initial hit, because in that situation, TH level is much more important than damage on a single boss (especially in that situation where the pop is expensive/time consuming to get).

Speaking of Black Belt, Square Enix also stated before SoA was even released, that "Monk gets a new belt, but the Black Belt will be required to attain it" (Source) A year later, we monks are still waiting for it.

So I wouldn't hold your breath concerning a new TH weapon, lol.

It seems like the simplest solution to this problem would be some job trait that replaces (but does not stack with) the effect given specifically by the Thief's Knife. Perhaps modifying TH3 to be +1 with TK equipped, +2 without. Then modify the text of the TK to read (and function as) "Treasure Hunter +1 Does not stack with the effects granted by Treasure Hunter III"."

If they want to upgrade Thief's Knife while preventing players from dual-wielding both new and old versions, all they have to do is make it so the upgrade is an augment on the original version, instead of a new weapon. It wouldn't be a pretty fix, but it'd work.

The augment would simply be DMG+, perhaps delay-, and probably a bonus to accuracy/attack. The level of the weapon would still be the same as it was, but the quest to augment it would require you to be 99 THF, and naturally, the augment would make the weapon EX.

"Reforging" The Thiefs KNife like the R/E/M would be the only way to do it and making TK R/EX (or whatever it is that makes it so you cant dual wield two of the same REM.) but square enix clearly doesnt want to add a new thiefs knife because you will attain the gear cap later as the ilevel increases and better equipment comes out. Its one of those "Get over it, theres new shinies" solutions that made stubborn feely people quit when they found out REM werent going to initially be increased again. But, with enough official forum bitching it'll come.

Thf's tp is useful? meh.

At best ws then switch for one hit. It is not that hard. The increase from 7 to 12 is really small percent of a really small drop rate.

The job isn't a bad DD by any means, its just theres a lot of really stupid terrible and gimp THF's out there, and a lot of stupid sheep parroting what someone else told them is the potential for a job.

But regardless, my feelings on this topic are on the official forums. I still think throwing the entire idea of a TH weapon out the window is the smartest solution, replacing it with a Th Accessory or armor that has a Latent:TH+1 bonus only active when Thief knife is not equipped. But whataever.

If you are killing a boss that has a really small drop rate, and it's really time consuming to pop that boss, why wouldn't you want to maximize TH? So what if it takes you 10 minutes to kill something instead of 5 if the pop takes hours/days to acquire?

I like it

or just make TK augmentable...

Oh hellll yes, I'd be FAR more interested in that for any time I'm out truly solo. And the Oynos proc is unreliable enough that it's hard to just equip the weapon to get haste and swap it back out, so it unfortunately does make some sense to keep it equipped offhand and have the proc overwrite itself so haste doesn't drop. I'd be THRILLED to replace it with a sub-optimal (but at least bumped up to i-level tier) DPS weapon with the same effect.

On the other hand, I barely care about THF knife. Like others said, TP in full TH if it's something costly/annoying to pop and TH matters more than timely killing (say, KB, Shinryu, Kirin for W.Legs, Pandemonium Warden, Salvage NMs for armor, etc). In fact, lower DPS and intentionally gimping yourself is arguably BETTER on those mobs; longer kill = more swings and more chances at Feint/SA/TA = more chances for TH+ proc. If it's not one of those rare cases, hit the thing in your full TH gear once and be satisfied. The difference between TH6 and TH6+x is pretty damn small.

Other thoughts:

- If you want some compromise, put TH hands/feet in your SA/TA macros (knowingly decreasing SA TA damage) since TH+ proc happens more often on those abilities. In Dyna on THF/DNC, I apply TH by putting TH gear in my steps macros.

- Are people who are still complaining about Thief's Knife also still TPing in gimpy Raider's +2 feet?

- If you really want to get a hit in with TH7 on an NM or something (and not fulltime TH gear for maximum additional procs), just deal with the one time TP loss from swapping Thief's Knife out for something else. Not really that big of a deal.

Treasure hunter is a psycological effect.

You dont stack it to get drops. You stack it to be able to blame se for shitty drop rate.

Above th5, players luck >> "luck" provide by a random effect.