Ban Hammer Nails Innocent Victim

15 min ago i was banned from game for no reason. i looked up account status and it's unuseable. So i get the email saying i've been involved in RMT activity and my acount is gone. WTF!

I have been playing for 8 yrs and have never once engaged in RMT activity. now i'm here panicking that all my stuff is poof, gone.

Is there anything i can do to resolve this, or am i just screwed?
If not then goodbye to all those on Bahamut. I had a great time w/ you all.

What'd ya do

as much as i hate to agree with starkz, they didn't ban you for doing nothing.. gonna need to give more information

people have been banned for trading too much gil around in the past(though i've received over 200m in a day more than once this week selling t6s.. so i'm hesitant to say they even still do this)..

really, you need to look at what you've been doing and figure out what they interpretted as rmt if you really didn't do anything.. not that it'll get reversed

Nothing i was in port J trying to sell Red Pondweed
then boom, canceled

Did ya happen to purchase buttloads of crap off the AH and NPC them for profit? Cause RMT used to do that crap (Had bots running to buy things of AH for less than NPC Price, then sell em to the NPC).

According to your sales, You've purchased f**kloads of Elemental Beads for half of NPC* Price or less (no doubt due to the influx from Skirmish)... And you NPC'd em yah?

There's my guess, You got banned for buying up things for under AH price en-mass and NPCing them for profit.

Stupid yes? Best answer, probably. SE Isn't known for being effective in not netting innocents in RMT Sweeps, take banning people for selling to a certain NPC if they were a trial account... I remember that fun yah.

So i cant buy items at sellers asking price even if it's below npc price? then why not ban me when i did it w/ mercury

it's extremely unlikely they banned you for that, they aren't worried about someone making 50k from a npc, they already know where they can find 40 people making 2m a day off npc..

if you've made any recent large gil transactions(especially with level 1s), made a (even joking) comment about selling gil in front of someone, etc.. that'd be your cause

i was down to 67k from buying skirmish pops. money i made was from v stones i earned and bought, total i made in 1 day taday was 600k. i doubt thats a big economy breaker. oh. i sold my onieros cappa.

they have access to gil metrics, so it's extremely unlikely they're banning you over a few trades so small in amount

i think the most likely situation is that you made a joke about it and someone GMed you, that's happened before.. if you're positive you haven't mentioned RMT or done anything sketchy that's pretty unfortunate but nobody here can know whether that's true or not

regardless, it's extremely unlikely to get them to unban an account after it's been banned for rmt, customer service themselves won't even tell you anything about the banning or assist in reversing it in normal conditions

I can't say I don't envy your faith at SE's "Autobanning" Methods SE employs. He's purchased probably in excess of 50 of these things (at least 32 i can see in recent history), and NPC'd all of them... which again, RMT used to have bots running and doing this constantly and we know SE creates "Bots" of their own to find and "detect" RMT. He met a "quota" on number of things purchased > NPC'd, they banned him no questions asked.

This type of "Banned no questions asked" crap has happened before, I gave an example in my post, I just don't think its coincidence he purchases buttloads of crap to NPC and then he's banned pretty much within the same day.

I'll admit it could be something else but I'm going with Mass Purchase > NPC and him being unlucky for final answer bill.


This seems a likely solution too, though again, have to remember not all bans are performed by a person, they do have plenty of Auto-Ban methods... or Auto-Jail Methods, as I've been the victum of a "Speed Hack" auto-jail because of the JA Flee. Apparently I was flagged as moving from 1 zone to the next too quickly.

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I dont see how i violated any rule here w/ small purchases

i have an active character that sold over 10m worth of ***to a npc every day for 8 months

speed hack autojailer has been off for years

they dont even bother checking most fishbots after a GM is called

there's something in here that's not being mentioned or being overlooked, it's not to do with his pocket change from beads

Sad thing is, you don't need to see how its possible or happened, If they'll ban you for making a joke about RMT they'll ban you for suspected RMT activities proof or not. suspected means they need no concrete evidence only it being possible, and hell they don't even need that, right in the ToS they say they can ban you for whatever the hell they want lol.

This is all assuming there's simply not something you're forgetting like the other dude keeps saying about joking about RMTing or something


Wow you're really getting anal over this. Not surprising but jeez you're set off easily when someone disagrees with you.

I do not joke/talk/whisper about RMT. i think they are scum, friggin brosale always bothering me. so no. I dont JOKE about rmt to ppl.

i know more about how se works than you do and you're babbling like an idiot because you think you're a genius for reading too much into the dude's ah history

rmt bans are all reviewed manually by a human at 2-6 am est, they see the gil transactions, they're not going to ban someone for anything that low value.. he's not even breaking any rules

if you've sold any sort of fell cleave recently, that's also a possible culprit

This is all that needs to be said, and obviously reminded when people look for a reason. They don't need one, its their game, and they can ban you for anything they want.

If you can find a way to get your account back, grats. If not, well I'm sorry to hear that assuming all that you've said is correct. SE has a horrible customer service history...

No ones babbling like an idiot, He was without a reason, I Mentioned probably cause, you rejected it, I defended it stating reasons why i think it could be true or at least plausible.

You just got your big boy pants on and I imagine someones perpetually sh*ting in your cheerios. I'm guessing the defensive attitude to the point of being out rightly offensive in the face of none aggressive conflict isn't my fault or doing and frankly I won't be dragged into a semantics debate on rather or not your e-d*ck on SE's ins and outs of RMT banning is bigger than mine.


Thank you sir, and OP, contact them and wish for the best. Thats your only hope.

be wrong all day if you like, it's not like the guy's going to tell us what he did anyway

But no warning of any kind? Even fish botters get a gm to show up.
Not just cut their service off on site.

a ban with no warning at this time was reviewed by the RMT squad, which means it was flagged by something you did recently(in the last ~2 weeks) and upon examining your history they concluded that it was correctly flagged

errors do happen, i know a guy who was banned for buying his friend a mandau because of how he traded the gil around.. but if you made it that far in the system there was a large amount of gil somewhere, that's all it really comes down to

if you're convinced you're completely innocent, it's possible a new banning practice came into play recently but it's not very likely and the only person who can tell you if they can help is SE themselves

as far as i know, no RMT ban has ever been reversed, person i mentioned earlier contacted SE every day for a month and got nowhere..

last thing to keep in mind is that it doesn't matter what people here think, there's a thread every other week where someone cries about being banned/hacked and insists it wasn't their fault(when it usually was).. if you did something you're better off just taking responsibility for it because a bunch of faux-sympathy won't actually help

Yesterday, started w/ helping ls mates get rani pop.
then did Yorica skirmish. did mog gardens then put cappa, stones on ah.

Today, bought/put stones on AH, did yorica again, Put stuff on AH
helped freind w/ adamantoise/aspid. he gave me red pondweed.
sat in port J trying to sell, banned.

Thats what i did

Correct, they are not obligated to do any of that, its in the agreement you clicked on "yes" to. It's in bold letters and just to be clear again:


That does not mean you can't try and get your account back, just know you signed an agreement that pretty much puts you in a tight spot. However you're still income to them so assuming you didn't do anything bad like you claimed, there still might be a chance, again good luck with their customer service department~

Other than that i've benn only doing Monstoristy and WKR or helping freinds out

Not gonna get account back either way. My buddy got banned for letting his rl friend log on his account and borrow some armor back a long time ago.

well it'll be 2 accounts they lose. bud i was helping today only plays cause i do. si i'm shure he'll cancel once i do.

I really wouldnt want to do that. but no way am i starting all over.

LOL

well i have to laugh at this

Gained: 13,657,002, Lost 33,092,400, Difference -19,435,398 (Last 255 Sales)

Someone else in my LS got banned for "RMT activity" today as well, but they were using that account only for fishbotting and it sat at Beaucedine for months.

It's not about what you did today or yesterday, it could be something weeks ago that you're now up for review. There's something you're obviously not willing to admit on this forum to save face. You said you have 2 accounts, I don't really know anyone who dual boxes and doesn't use some form of 3rd party. Just saying.

You've heard the stories from people saying they got banned out of the blue for not doing anything wrong blah blah blah. There's always something they're not willing to admit... You get banned based off probable cause and not just out of the *** blue cause they don't like you. Granted sometimes their probable cause was wrong, but they still base it off of something you did.

Not 2 accounts of my own. My freind that started 2 yrs before i did and recently quit

I doubt there's anyone on FFXI anymore that isn't a justifiable ban. Technically using the fairly innocuous windower without any of the real hacks installed is against the TOS and a bannable offense. It's only by virtue of the paradox it's widespread use creates that it isn't targeted by the GM staff. However, that creates a nice loophole that means pretty much nobody has any recourse if they're banned.

Gonna have to phone them up for a reason, that's the only way your going to find out.Be interesting to see what they say.