Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
Concealing secrets like jealous kids...as if there was competition for VW, this isn't HNM why bother.
Peoplez be mad yo~
The Use Of /fume With Hate Resets Procs In VW?
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The use of /fume with hate resets procs in VW?
Probably because it was reminiscent of the HNM scene where ToD's and tracking information was held in regard. Is it really so different? Peoplez be mad yo~
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I'm not mad, I just find it incredibly stupid.
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Phoenix.Sehachan said: » I'm not mad, I just find it incredibly stupid. Siren.Calnus said: » Phoenix.Sehachan said: » Concealing secrets like jealous kids...as if there was competition for VW, this isn't HNM why bother. Peoplez be mad yo~ Considering there is 100% no competition at all in Voidwatch (Bodies, Accessories, etc are rare/ex) There's really... no reason to horde secrets to it. It doesn't give anyone an advantage.
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No but in the hands of someone incredibly stupid it could ruin a run too. I think that was the main argument now that i think about it.
"Hey it's great axe" *Watches the war ukko spam for hate then /fume to change the proc* Then suddenly EX went from being BLM magic to DNC ability. Or everything people were currently trying to hit got switched out on them with no understanding of what just happened. For me personally I used it when EX was something we didn't have, or when we couldn't seem to get reads or enough procs fast enough to keep it staggered. You'll find reasons for hating stupid people knowing how to do this. Take it as you will though lol. Siren.Calnus said: » No but in the hands of someone incredibly stupid it could ruin a run too. I think that was the main argument now that i think about it. "Hey it's great axe" *Watches the war ukko spam for hate then /fume to change the proc* Then suddenly EX went from being BLM magic to DNC ability. Or everything people were currently trying to hit got switched out on them with no understanding of what just happened. For me personally I used it when EX was something we didn't have, or when we couldn't seem to get reads or enough procs fast enough to keep it staggered. You'll find reasons for hating stupid people knowing how to do this. Take it as you will though lol. You have a valid point, that's the main reason that I'd see it was to stay between a small group of people. Also when anyone from our LS started a voidwatch shout, it filled within 4-5 minutes or less because we never failed and was very very constant. Even before the discovery of fume.
It had it's benefits by keeping it concealed, people are just blinded by the favortism factor involved. Which again I find understandable and the mud slinging is more funny than taken personally at this moment. In either case it's in the wind now and I'm sure we will find out soon enough. Hopefully people read this thread a good bit and understanding WHEN you use the reset. If you got anything from me, it was to use it when EX was unattainable or you were struggling with reads or procs not coming fast enough to keep it staggered. Also for low man using voidclusters which allows for easier capped lights. It's obvious that's how it's supposed to be used. It's also not that difficult to be *** backwards abused, but if someone is abusing it, and you know about it, then ***, you can boot the motherlover.
Asura.Vyre said: » It's obvious that's how it's supposed to be used. It's also not that difficult to be *** backwards abused, but if someone is abusing it, and you know about it, then ***, you can boot the motherlover. You can "/fume motion" and mask the emote from the chatlog, and you give people too much credit for understanding the proc system as a whole. At least on siren server it feels like half our random pickups lack even the basic understanding. Proc don't spam ukko. Clear the gold chest. Use temp items to benefit yourself. Turn around if the lights aren't capped to minimize damage. These are 4 basic things I don't think anyone understands still. You just might be smarter than the rest and do your research and ATTEMPT to give a damn. General public? Not so much.
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Asura.Vyre said: » It's obvious that's how it's supposed to be used. It's also not that difficult to be *** backwards abused, but if someone is abusing it, and you know about it, then ***, you can boot the motherlover. Pritty much, if they are messing you up just kick them, remember their name, then don't invite again. Also BG says it can only be used once every 5 min so unless thats every 5min by each person and not a universal timer then it's kinda hard to spam it. Except if you've got a good set of DD in your alliance then by the time you disengage, the mob should already be on someone else. Sounds like your groups suck if you managed to do that a lot with 18/18.
Phoenix.Sehachan said: » Concealing secrets like jealous kids...as if there was competition for VW, this isn't HNM why bother. I'm not surprised that this kind of attitude came from this server, and I'm just as surprised that it was JP onry. At least we know, now.
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Cerberus.Weissberv said: » Except if you've got a good set of DD in your alliance then by the time you disengage, the mob should already be on someone else. Sounds like your groups suck if you managed to do that a lot with 18/18. Ragnarok.Sekundes said: » Cerberus.Weissberv said: » Except if you've got a good set of DD in your alliance then by the time you disengage, the mob should already be on someone else. Sounds like your groups suck if you managed to do that a lot with 18/18. Asura.Ina said: » The person doing the emote needs to be the mobs target, so what I think they are saying is if they can hold hate to control who is in charge of /fume ing it then something is wrong. But either way disengaging has nothing to do with it. Asura.Ina said: » Ragnarok.Sekundes said: » Cerberus.Weissberv said: » Except if you've got a good set of DD in your alliance then by the time you disengage, the mob should already be on someone else. Sounds like your groups suck if you managed to do that a lot with 18/18. Well if you're at the point where you've decided the proc needs changing you could just get everyone but 1 person to turn. Hmm, not sure where I got the whole disengaging part from. I thought I read it from here but I guess not! In that case then it wouldn't be hard to do it.
It would be nice when it happened if it said "The fiend's weaknesses have changed!" in the log or something like that now that this is public knowledge. It would definately save a lot of confusion. Asura.Calatilla said: » Asura.Ina said: » Ragnarok.Sekundes said: » Cerberus.Weissberv said: » Except if you've got a good set of DD in your alliance then by the time you disengage, the mob should already be on someone else. Sounds like your groups suck if you managed to do that a lot with 18/18. Well if you're at the point where you've decided the proc needs changing you could just get everyone but 1 person to turn.
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Cerberus.Weissberv said: » Hmm, not sure where I got the whole disengaging part from. I thought i read it from here but I guess not! In that case then it wouldn't be hard to do it. It would be nice when it happened if it said "The fiend's weaknesses have changed!" in the log or something like that now that this is public knowledge. It would definately save a lot of confusion. Seems to be once every five minutes starting from the pop time. Type in /fume motion and you get the message. Me soloing Cherufe like a boss on Pup/Nin with whm frame. Actually got the white proc after first 5 minutes also.
There is a message everyone can see, similar to the one when doing P. Watcher.
 There is a 5 minute timer. It would only be possible to exploit this 5 times per fight and not per character. There didn't seem to be a cooldown with attempts. Cziella had tried once or twice before that but it was turning wildly with everyone's hate being capped. Siren.Calnus said: » Phoenix.Sehachan said: » Concealing secrets like jealous kids...as if there was competition for VW, this isn't HNM why bother. Peoplez be mad yo~ Not mad, I just find you and your LS to be a bunch of self centered brats now that won't help a community when it has no negative side for you all to do so.
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Sure is hostile thread derail in here.
A voting system would be nice. Like /propose but for resetting the mobs triggers. It would be a lot better than this person with hate /fume lame *** system which can be abused easily by any DD in the group.
Cerberus.Weissberv said: » A voting system would be nice. Like /propose but for resetting the mobs triggers. It would be a lot better than this person with hate /fume lame *** system which can be abused easily by any DD in the group. Other than the fact that any time you run with a pickup only half the alliance is ever paying attention to procs, so adding that in too probably would have no effect. It'd have to be timed over like a minute or something so that if not everyone voted it could still go through. If I /fume at the chest, will it change the drops?
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I would say it can cause problems, but usually you know who are the trouble makers on your server and not to invite them to stuff. Plus the fact that no one likes to waste time and usually join the shouts because they want something and they want it fast. It also opens up the possiblity for solos, duos, etc. with or without the voidclusters. I'm for one really eager to see some super low man or solos since you can get at least a few procs now.
Siren.Calnus said: » Then suddenly EX went from being BLM magic to DNC ability. Or everything people were currently trying to hit got switched out on them with no understanding of what just happened. Gilgamesh.Nynja said: » Siren.Calnus said: » Then suddenly EX went from being BLM magic to DNC ability. Or everything people were currently trying to hit got switched out on them with no understanding of what just happened. |
No weak items used btw XP.
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