Best DD In Voidwatch?

This is perhaps the most intelligent and informed thing anyone has ever said about Voidwatch on these forums ever.

i prefer yoichi rng/sam, but sam/war, while still spamming namas arrows is also incredible, and will likely become my preferred choice soon (ofc im implying cor rolls/atmacite and all for a 1hit~)

No, that would be SMN. Sorry, I'm sure BLU does a lot of damage for the enmity they pull, but SMN is impossible to compete with in terms of DMG:enmity. As long as the enmity from damage you deal goes to you, no matter how much you can reduce that enmity, you will not beat SMN.

I've found SMN to be an exceptional DD in Voidwatch. In fact, it's the only way we've been able to kill the Jeuno T3's within the time limit. Any other job just ends up double weakened. SMN does about 1.5k damage every 45 seconds endlessly. That's 60,000 damage over the course of 30 minutes, completely hate-free.

It's actually not at all uncommon for my avatars to end up tanking as well. Lots of Voidwatch NMs have instant-kill abilities, and it's possible to lose all your tanks and have to kite around for a bit. SMN is extremely useful for that. That happens a lot on Moira & Akvan, for example.

I think SMN is definitely the best DD in Voidwatch right now. However, that doesn't mean you can neglect others, because you still need triggers.

there's 3:

Warrior: best front line DD by far. Can tank Kaggen pretty easily while abusing retaliation and still putting up much better numbers than a SAM or MNK (first hand experience - Ukon vs Masa/Vereth). I'm Warrior for 95% of voidwatch

Ranger: probably #1 overall, very safe physical damage from afar. No fear of getting weakened really, and weakness will kill your overall damage (can be the problem with an untimely death on WAR)

Summoner: Can attempt to stall if needed, ability to have elemental advantage, consistent (albeit lower than a RNG or WAR) hate free damage

This 1mil times, Armageddon or Annihilator prefered for the Rng, Followed by Yochi, Gandiva is useless with its spike / emnity sadly

Its a 2hit because you WS then attack this 2 hits. Also even with 20 Save tp 11 corsairs and some incredible STP gear your still besting a 3 hit. or of course one double attack attack round.

war/sam

Ashman

Ninja.

good joke

Hey. Killshot means you dealt the most damage, and we all know Mijin Gakure kills are the most common.

Summoning an avatar alone is 90 Regurgitation casts worth the CE.

And BLM is still very capable of dealing more damage than a SMN. You've just got to be able to keep track of your VE decay. Have your BLM sub DRG and Make your THF do something other than stand there, and BLM wins be a landslide.

By far PUP. Doing over 5k dmg a minute to jeuno T2 NM, hatefree.


activate->ice, ice-> 2k+ Thunder V
water->ice, ice, ice ->3k Thunder V
Deactivate, repeat.

No hate worries. Also deploy, retrieve + spell can give 3 trigger hints.

This outdmg's most smn, and definatly blm. Second nuke often gives pet hate, deactivate fixes it instantly, and has u ready to nuke again.

downside though... automatons can't hold an nm like a few smn's can, like Pergatory said,.. automatons are too squishy.

I think we can all agree that it's rdm.

Melee rdm obviously.

Armageddon -> Yoichi?
I know wildfire gives less hate than normal weaponskills, but is it really less than namas?
Or is it because of lower xhit builds that overall ends up giving less hate?
I can't remember seeing any tests on wildfire, except a few early ones that concluded with: Barely any -enm on the ws

my plan more had me relying on using regain to bridge that gap instead of shooting, since im trying to avoid getting hate from /ra's since its alot more than id get from namas. being sam main would have me oozing extra tp whist still being able to crank out namas' with minimal use of /ra

someone just asked if WF is less than namas, my friend who plays on WF cor told me that it is no where near as low as namas enmity, you will have me spamming namas(with a 2 hit on rng/sam ;3!) but ill take every opportunity i get to use med/sekka anything to avoid doing something not namas to keep my hate down; i should also mention i spam the ***out of gnogstic, and usually decoy my friend regardless of his job :<, usualy see the cor get hate before me, especialyl if hes being aggressive, and thats the thing, theres no holding back whatsoever, at anytime, on namas/coro rng. in the midst of spamming nearly endless(when i say endless, i mean i was getting back 100tp so fast i didn't bother shooting ws's with the help of temps/cor rolls/meditate/atmacites, i hit qilin for 8082 barrage yesterday and did not even get hate at all the rest of the fight, and that was around the 20sometihng % mark, i don't know how WF rng or cor would get ahead of yoichi except on the physical resistant ones(uptala WF was beast!) and if referring to enmity/long run, never...

Ragnarok Dark knight will do the most dmg for a melee with a stagger up if thats what this is about <.< and if he can be kept alive is the best flat out DPS you can get

I call ***

nah it's not too bad, Kaggen himself isn't very threatening. use fanatics whenever you can, if fanatics is down tp in full pdt (retaliation makes up for your tp loss). He needs consistent damage on him so idk how you intend to kill him efficiently without a WAR or comparable DD tanking him. 1 WHM is enough to keep the WAR alive.

I died last time i fought Kaggen at 19% but that was purely because the WHM that was supposed to be covering me was solely using cure3/4 despite having full MP. "oh you have 1000/1900 HP? here's a cure4" makes me rage a little lol

I thought that mantis was pretty badass in the test server lol

mantis is actually pretty weak :( lol

well the problem people had on the test server is they couldn't get it's HP down quickly, which if not done right is a very realistic problem. The first few times we did it with a PLD tanking and people running in to WS on procs left us timing out with 3-10% HP left. We adjusted to having me (or someone else if I wasn't there) to full time DD tank it and it went down in 20 minutes.

The BLU should be doing 2-3 Regurgitations in the time it takes your Blood Pact timer to recharge, closes the damage gap up a bit but not entirely. Regurgitation provides 1CE and 640VE per cast every time, no matter what. Add 1CE and 300VE if stacking with Burst Affinity.

When you summon an avatar you receive 90CE and 300VE, behind by 88-89 CE.

Depending on monster resistances, level and INT, assuming average nuking gear for the BLU and casting from behind the mob, Regurgitation's base, unresisted damage is 773, 904 with Burst Affinity. Logical to assume most NMs will have a native magic resistance however. Even assuming a 15% reduction in magic damage (complete fabrication, will vary from mob to mob), the BLU should be putting out 1974 damage for every blood pact that you're capable of firing off without even factoring in Burst Affinity.

What kills it for BLU is the fact that we have to wait 60 seconds every time we want to proc with another element.

Edit: It'd actually be more damage, I neglected to add Neptune's Staff for the damage calculation, derp. In any case, even cranking monster level up to 110 and INT to 90(again, complete fabrication) yielded over 950 with Burst Affinity.

so these nms are easier than anything level 75, huh.

BLM tear thru kaggen easily, we jus had a pld to hold while procs, after that had 3 blm (decent blm) acetics+fana destroy it, DD onit seemed meh, still tho, his atks seemed nasty, esp w/ def down aura.. I'm assuming you had fana drink refreshed in a consistant manor otherwise.. I don't see it

Addition because I'm very bored.

Lv95BLU, 130INT, 110MND, 86MAB, Neptune's Staff; suboptimal nuking set

Lv115 NM, 110INT, 25% Magic Damage Reduction (will vary etc, 25 is fair middle ground); probably overshooting level and/or INT in most cases

no BA: 595

BA: 717


2-3 casts between blood pacts from the SMN, 1785 not counting a Burst Affinity shot every 2-3 BPs.

No one cares etc. etc., BLU isn't close to the best DD for voidwatch, but it is by far the most effective in terms of enmity:damage out of any job there is.

don't underestimate PDT tanking with any job. it's really not threatening. Fanatics just let's you go all out with standard haste/atk tp sets. Having a DD on it doing the majority of the damage gives a lot of safety to everyone else as well, something BLMs as main DD doesn't give.

edit: BLMs are good DD, but usually they're caught up with proccing, unless you have 3+. Having a WAR doing nothing but killing is a good separation of job duties. If GAX comes up as a proc its easy to do while killing

BLM or SMN on kaggen will likely be your main DD, I'm sure you've noticed his phyical defense, imo I think PLD would work better but if that works too guess that's cool

it takes multiple mages (smn/blm etc) to do what one WAR can do. Kaggen's defense doesn't prevent Ukko's up to the 4k range. Not saying this is the only way to do Kaggen, SMN/BLM route definitely works... but if you want to go a DD route it's not impossible. This is in response to your "I call ***" comment

not only do I not think you could ukkos that high on Kaggen, coming out of your fulltime turtle could get you killed assuming your ukkos weren't while proc'd, he really is quite painful with that def down aura, on a DD with no PDT, or even PDT. As for 1 Ukko WAR>multi mages on atleast kaggen, nonsense