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By Eiryl on 2025-07-24 14:09:26 |
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New mules. You can't make new mains regardless.
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By . on 2025-07-24 13:55:08 |
Point is Afania was trying to bait
And you happily bit it
It's called sarcasm not bait! |
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By . on 2025-07-24 13:48:48 |
Point is Afania was trying to bait
And you happily bit it |
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By Seun on 2025-07-24 13:30:05 |
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Not sure I'd take that bet. Playing long in a game with no future doesn't sound very promising. I'm thinking that unless there's some mass exodus over the next few days, the best it will get is restoration of new character creation. Transfers are probably cooked.
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By K123 on 2025-07-24 13:26:36 |
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By Jinxs on 2025-07-24 13:22:38 |
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Socks on his fingers
Imagine if they had live transfer service so you could switch to whatever one you want at anytime
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By K123 on 2025-07-24 13:21:08 |
It's been ~1800 days since the crafting exploit was patched. How long was it known for? How many people knew? |
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By . on 2025-07-24 13:18:40 |
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I need to ask the shaman what is the opposite chamt, to dismiss Alfania.
Though I fear the only effective way is simply exorcism
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By . on 2025-07-24 13:12:52 |
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a lot of it is disgruntled chinese players, western players get deluxe edition content buying the standard edition for some reason
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By K123 on 2025-07-24 13:09:56 |
Oh wow weird. One of the items that was heavily crafted during the no material loss exploit is being flooded into the market. Almost like somebody has a mule with 100s of them. I don't see why they would flood them into Asura market rather than take them to other servers and bring the gil back later?
How? Playing the long game, but it will be interesting to see that if they balance things out a bit then open it up again if everyone just jumps back to make one mega server. |
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Bismarck.Drakelth said: »Bismarck.Drakelth said: »Bismarck.Drakelth said: »The tp bonus only applies to ws ur does, 0 effect on ranged ws...
TP Bonus Augment works on ranged. Similar to Magian Weapons/Ikengas Axe
I have tested it out to confirm
Aeonics do not work on ranged however.
Not according to bg wiki, what kind of testing have you done? Do you have the raw data and parameters or wss it an eyeball test? Bg eiki directly states that only magian and Odyssey weapons with tp bonus apply to different ws
I tested it over a year ago, I don't really keep that kinda data.
I don't mean to be snarky with this.
BG Wiki is edited by players. Not all players have time or motivation to edit it. If certain things are unknown or overlooked; they won't be on there. For example I am pretty damn lazy, so I don't update it.
Example of why BG Wiki isn't always 100% up to date
List of stuff I was too lazy to add to BG..
-BG Wiki was lacking in regards to some jug pet effects and descriptions. I discovered Zealous Snort will grant you guard regardless of your weapon type
-BG Wiki did not state that multiple target claim issues effect the Skillchains window on Diamond Aspis. I confirmed that it does.
-BG Wiki also said nothing about Origin bypassing shadows. I confirmed that too. Again another unknown. I did post about this.
More than happy to report findings on AH however.
If you want to be skeptical I get it. But why would I lie? To trick you into wasting hides?
I'm skeptical because I know a lot of people don't test things properly, they go out and eyeball it and call it "testing" then make claims based on that "testing" so when stuff like this comes up I want to see hard data. Cause while its probably not going to get my to build a bow setup for same the info could be helpful in
Other ways if its been verified. No offense is meant but I tend to be skeptical, bg wiki also is more often right then wrong when it comes to random things like this. I'm not saying you're wrong,I'm saying I won't trust your conclusions without also seeing the data that led to them. burden of proof falls on the person making the claim.
I genuinely mean this, but I am sorry.I might be shifting that burden to you for now. I might not have the time to test this out for a good while. I'll eventually do it if you don't mind a wait.
Stuff that might helps with testing.
SAM/RNG
Unity GK +500
Mpaca Head +150
Moonshade +250
Tenzen's Bow +1000 (I tossed it and don't want to farm another lol)
Should put you at a 1900 TP Bonus. Pretty easy to check with Refug Arrow due to the low fTP at 1000, and high fTP at 3000.
TP Bonus is also very observable on Flaming Arrow. Reference the last post, the damage was nearly double at 2000TP compared to 1000TP.
I'll recheck it when I can. Might have to wait until the weekend honestly.
If I get some time to get everything I'll try. Fwiw I'm not trying to be obtuse, i genuinely just want the best answer and to know the truth. I tend to be someone who needs solid data/proof before changing my opinion. This is a good thing to discuss as I was unaware that ikengas worked offhand and if its an all augments thing that's awesome. I do appreciate the potential new info, probably won't change anything for my sets or play style but there's always more to learn in this game. |
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Sucks, but he turned out to be a piece of ***so I don't feel the hurt. Hope his family can move past their loss quickly.
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By Kaffy on 2025-07-24 12:54:43 |
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he was in the vince mcmahon docu a lot, very interesting guy.
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By Drayco on 2025-07-24 12:52:35 |
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I know Thorny... I'm just bitter because I bought 650m worth of Medals after selling my beloved Kraken Club in the hopes I could turn some massive profit.
Little did I know that exploit was discovered right at that time and all SU5 and +2 necks I made would not sell because of the insane undercutting. I would have made back well over 1b with the success I had with that crafting run... I ended up only making 300m of that back.
That Kraken Club was from DRK zerg days. I kick myself for gambling with it.
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I remember this gem haha
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By Khajit on 2025-07-24 12:51:07 |
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He apparently busted a wrestler’s union by going to Vince for cash so that it could be broken before it got formed. What a piece of ***.
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Bismarck.Drakelth said: »Bismarck.Drakelth said: »Bismarck.Drakelth said: »The tp bonus only applies to ws ur does, 0 effect on ranged ws...
TP Bonus Augment works on ranged. Similar to Magian Weapons/Ikengas Axe
I have tested it out to confirm
Aeonics do not work on ranged however.
Not according to bg wiki, what kind of testing have you done? Do you have the raw data and parameters or wss it an eyeball test? Bg eiki directly states that only magian and Odyssey weapons with tp bonus apply to different ws
I tested it over a year ago, I don't really keep that kinda data.
I don't mean to be snarky with this.
BG Wiki is edited by players. Not all players have time or motivation to edit it. If certain things are unknown or overlooked; they won't be on there. For example I am pretty damn lazy, so I don't update it.
Example of why BG Wiki isn't always 100% up to date
List of stuff I was too lazy to add to BG..
-BG Wiki was lacking in regards to some jug pet effects and descriptions. I discovered Zealous Snort will grant you guard regardless of your weapon type
-BG Wiki did not state that multiple target claim issues effect the Skillchains window on Diamond Aspis. I confirmed that it does.
-BG Wiki also said nothing about Origin bypassing shadows. I confirmed that too. Again another unknown. I did post about this.
More than happy to report findings on AH however.
If you want to be skeptical I get it. But why would I lie? To trick you into wasting hides?
I'm skeptical because I know a lot of people don't test things properly, they go out and eyeball it and call it "testing" then make claims based on that "testing" so when stuff like this comes up I want to see hard data. Cause while its probably not going to get my to build a bow setup for same the info could be helpful in
Other ways if its been verified. No offense is meant but I tend to be skeptical, bg wiki also is more often right then wrong when it comes to random things like this. I'm not saying you're wrong,I'm saying I won't trust your conclusions without also seeing the data that led to them. burden of proof falls on the person making the claim.
I genuinely mean this, but I am sorry.I might be shifting that burden to you for now. I might not have the time to test this out for a good while. I'll eventually do it if you don't mind a wait.
Stuff that might helps with testing.
SAM/RNG
Unity GK +500
Mpaca Head +150
Moonshade +250
Tenzen's Bow +1000 (I tossed it and don't want to farm another lol)
Should put you at a 1900 TP Bonus. Pretty easy to check with Refug Arrow due to the low fTP at 1000, and high fTP at 3000.
TP Bonus is also very observable on Flaming Arrow. Reference the last post, the damage was nearly double at 2000TP compared to 1000TP.
I'll recheck it when I can. Might have to wait until the weekend honestly. |
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By Leviathan. Nitenichi on 2025-07-24 12:45:41 |
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The game is great, no issues whatsoever. It's fun and it's punishing (which is why I like it) I'm old so I couldn't do an all nighter but made it to level 18
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Yoichi vs Ullr #s
This is from like last year.
I need to redo this'
Job: SAM/DRG (WSDMG BONUS)
Target: Apex Bats
Buffs, R15 Masa, Hasso, R25 Nyame Path B (Sorry its all I have unlocked), Etc.. (Rings are Sroda/Ephra)
Ullr Empyreal Arrow (Using Moonshade):
3000(Swapped Moonshade for Ishvara):33399
2750:31024
2000TP=20862
1000TP=11960
Namas Arrow R15 Yoichi:
1000TP:28372 (not bad honestly)
This next one is just for screwing around:
I don't see Hangaku-No-Yumi in the calc. I'm assuming it would be somewhere between Yoichi and Ullr. The Racc however is pitiful.
So:
Yoichi Flaming Arrow:
3000TP (Swapped Moonshade for Ishvara):60947
2750TP: 59590
2000TP: 49499
1000TP 26868
Ullr Flaming Arrow:
3000TP (Swapped Moonshade for Ishvara): 48982
2750TP:47878
2000TP:39770
1000TP:21588
It comes down to preference honestly. R15ing Yoichi just becomes a really expensive side grade/toy for some people.
The biggest shame is having to sacrifice our subjob just to unlock flaming arrow.. Such BS |
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It's been done several times most recently for arebati v20 or so where you had nins with 2x katanas or rdm or whatever with 2x TP bonus swords and using bow. WAs done previously in reverse with magain gun/bow for cor/rng savage blade, why would GKT suddenly be the outlier?
Its well documented that magian weapons work, thats not whats being discussed but whether a unity Augmented items tp bonus applies to other ws. Or in a larger sense weapons with tp bonus augments that aren't magian or Odyssey weapons. |
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It's been done several times most recently for arebati v20 or so where you had nins with 2x katanas or rdm or whatever with 2x TP bonus swords and using bow. WAs done previously in reverse with magain gun/bow for cor/rng savage blade, why would GKT suddenly be the outlier?
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Bismarck.Drakelth said: »No offense is meant but I tend to be skeptical, bg wiki also is more often right then wrong when it comes to random things like this.
No, it isn't really.
You can go into the page history and see who edited anything on wiki. There is no verification process on wiki at all, literally anyone can edit anything about anything.
I still remember a long time ago, someone made the claim about Store TP gear affects the amount of TP you get from being hit. Nobody believed him at all. There was constant discussions about how that was incorrect. Then all of a sudden last year this line pops up on the wiki history page:
Quote: Added findings regarding TP/hit fed to player when equipped with varying levels of sTP
Apparently the guy was right the whole time, but nobody bothered to put any of the information on the wiki, so it went missing for a long time.
My point is, the wiki is not infallible, and is oftentimes incomplete. It requires players to update it with their findings, and if they don't you the reader has incomplete information too. The website itself isn't "accurate" inasmuch as the people adding information make sure they add accurate information. It's not as fool-proof as you think.
By the way, I still haven't updated the Aminon page with my ranged damage findings, because nobody else has confirmed what I observed from my experience. Again, incomplete information
I'm not saying its infallible and never was, just that it tends to be a better source than someone say it works like X because I "tested it". I also never said he was wrong just that if you make a claim you bring your evidence and test results to speak for it. |
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Shadow is totally not referring to me ever forgetting Sublimation there. Yup. Totally not talking about that cuz that definitely never happened... much
Haha, this is too funny. If we could get that consistent 6th person, we could do 9-boss magic strat.
For tonight, we have a spot for a COR if anyone is interested. (Sortie, Magic Strat, 8-boss, 8:30PM EST). |
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By Taint on 2025-07-24 12:09:00 |
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Yoichi SAM was a thing at 75-99 not because Namas hit hard but because you could spam WSs with Soboro and not pull hate.
It was huge in Legion and other events at the time since pulling hate was a death sentence.
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Dang I feel like my childhood is dying this week.
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By Seun on 2025-07-24 12:06:31 |
Oh wow weird. One of the items that was heavily crafted during the no material loss exploit is being flooded into the market. Almost like somebody has a mule with 100s of them. I don't see why they would flood them into Asura market rather than take them to other servers and bring the gil back later?
How? |
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Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »Bismarck.Drakelth said: »Bismarck.Drakelth said: »The tp bonus only applies to ws ur does, 0 effect on ranged ws...
TP Bonus Augment works on ranged. Similar to Magian Weapons/Ikengas Axe
I have tested it out to confirm
Aeonics do not work on ranged however.
Not according to bg wiki, what kind of testing have you done? Do you have the raw data and parameters or wss it an eyeball test? Bg eiki directly states that only magian and Odyssey weapons with tp bonus apply to different ws
TP Bonus Augments work on All weaponskills. That is why CORs and RNGs make TP bonus guns and bows. It's also why some melee dual wielders make 2 TP bonus Swords/Daggers/Katanas.
TP bonus Natural (Aeonic Weapons) only work on weaponskills that they themselves perform.
It is well documented on that page you linked. The page hasn't been updated with items like Ikenga's Axe and this unity weapon yet though, someone should do that.
Edit: and in terms of damage, TP bonus GKT or this unity weapon + Ullr Empyreal Arrow is very very strong. Stronger than Yoichi imo.
Ullr being a short bow kinda sucks.If it was a long bow it would be perfect.
Yoichi being a long bow with higher base DMG evens things out a bit.
I figure it like this:
Empyrean Arrow still has raw damage. Also can be used instead of Kasha for its SC properties.
Namas shines when it self skillchains. Can be used to open for light or darkness.
For example if Namas was averaging 30k damage which can be spammed at 1000TP, Empyreal Arrow in the same set at 3K TP was averaging 35-36k
Honestly I say get both. You want the arrows regardless.
The main benefit to Yoichi is that you don't need to mess with a TP Bonus GK. You can use it with your preferred GK/Polearm with it. |
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By Negan on 2025-07-24 11:44:12 |
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For example I am pretty damn lazy, so I don't update it. If you want to be skeptical I get it. But why would I lie? To trick you into wasting hides?
Many people use the wiki exclusively for their information and they very rarely read the thousands of posts of some random guy who said this works this way or that way. They consider it to be the main source of up to date info, but rarely consider it as a player resource. They just take it's word. There's dozens of instances where someone comes on this forum to ask a question that is long understood by the regulars on this site, but they have no clue how something performs because none of that information makes it over to the wiki.
The best practice if you discover new information is not to simply post it here, but post it on the wiki as well. Nobody will find your random post explaining some obscure detail that might only be asked twice a year or less. If you're confident in your testing, just plug it in the wiki so everyone has the same up-to-date information. Otherwise, you keep getting people who are skeptical when you bring up things that are old but unfamiliar to them. And you also get the reverse: people blindly believe the wiki because its "on the wiki" and nothing you say can convince them otherwise unless its on there. double edged sword. |
