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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 13:43:41
It doesn't specify which God. and we only shake hands with the pope.
we pray in congress but its only out of tradition >"we don't ask you to know what you pray/believe in, just do it"
>only shaking hands with the pope
>meaning that you automatically see his religion as the default one
>meaning that in the mind of the average American, this religion and no other is in mind
>this would explain the blind hate toward Islam (you very well know that the huge majority of haters are blind about the topic, same goes in every country, not only the USA) and the amalgam that are legion, on this forum/in this thread for example (because unlike "us", the average American has no idea what muslims are)
>this would explain how a guy saying Chanti's line at school is seen as a role model while a Buddhist saying the same thing is laughed at
>we pray out of tradition
>meanwhile other countries that are officially separated from religion don't because they updated their traditions
History taught governments to not sit on two chairs at once. This is why the EU governments updated and still update themselves so much while the USA seems to still be stuck in 1776. This whole argument going against what is written on your notes, pledge of allegiance and so on is merely hypocrisy. Accept what you are, you aren't like us, just accept it until, if it happens, your government takes the step. Hint: it will never happen.
This goes back to my line:
Quote: Talk about hypocrisy? May want to lay low on that one. Your country has more examples about religious fanatical idiots than the middle east, do you even realize that? Just because they do not kill people does not make them any less of what they are: religious fanatics.
Seriously, do not even talk against religion if you're from the US, it's full hypocrisy. If you disliked religious fanatics, you'd have changed country, no joke. You could even go further and apply this logic to the USA army and simply see every single of their killing spree as a cleansing crusade in the name of God and their country.
As soon as you link religion and your country and its actions, no matter what a non-religious citizen will say or think, the country will be religious by default.
The USA is literally not different from any of the muslim countries being ***talked if we want to talk about blood baths, fanaticals and the fact that the state is literally religious and not just in tradition.
By volkom 2014-10-06 14:07:40
The documents that were written are living documents open to interpretation at the present. Thats what makes the country unique and at the same time causes a clusterfuck of confusion at times. Its the laws and rights we believe in that the country was founded upon and that traditions that arose from that time we still to an extent practice today.
Sure we can update the laws/completely change them to be more in place with modern times and we do that constantly with different acts and other stuff. and it always causes shitstorms because they are constantly in interference with the values we believe in.
religion in the constitution Quote: When the Constitution was submitted to the American public, "many pious people" complained that the document had slighted God, for it contained "no recognition of his mercies to us . . . or even of his existence." The Constitution was reticent about religion for two reasons: first, many delegates were committed federalists, who believed that the power to legislate on religion, if it existed at all, lay within the domain of the state, not the national, governments; second, the delegates believed that it would be a tactical mistake to introduce such a politically controversial issue as religion into the Constitution. The only "religious clause" in the document--the proscription of religious tests as qualifications for federal office in Article Six--was intended to defuse controversy by disarming potential critics who might claim religious discrimination in eligibility for public office.
That religion was not otherwise addressed in the Constitution did not make it an "irreligious" document any more than the Articles of Confederation was an "irreligious" document. The Constitution dealt with the church precisely as the Articles had, thereby maintaining, at the national level, the religious status quo. In neither document did the people yield any explicit power to act in the field of religion. But the absence of expressed powers did not prevent either the Continental-Confederation Congress or the Congress under the Constitution from sponsoring a program to support general, nonsectarian religion. can find more info about religion in the government here
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 14:17:18
You also forgot something volkom.
In this country, it isn't a capital offence to believe in a different religion that is state sponsored or not believe in one at all.
Heck, most people here don't give a flying *** what religion you are in, as long as you don't preach it in our faces.
You believe in Allah? Good for you, now go away.
You believe in Jesus? Good for you, now go away.
You believe in Thor? Good for you, now go away.
You believe in Cthulhu? Good for you, now go away.
See a trend?
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By maldini 2014-10-06 14:29:16
You also forgot something volkom.
In this country, it isn't a capital offence to believe in a different religion that is state sponsored or not believe in one at all.
Heck, most people here don't give a flying *** what religion you are in, as long as you don't preach it in our faces.
You believe in Allah? Good for you, now go away.
You believe in Jesus? Good for you, now go away.
You believe in Thor? Good for you, now go away.
You believe in Cthulhu? Good for you, now go away.
See a trend? ISIS is your benchmark?
Well, I guess I shouldn't have expected much to start with.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 14:33:36
Don't make me have to pull quotes from the Qur'an again showing that it's perfectly ok to stone non-believers to death.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-10-06 14:35:33
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
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By Ramyrez 2014-10-06 14:36:09
Quote: You believe in Cthulhu? Good for you, now go away.
I'll go. But sending me away won't save you from the release of madness.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-10-06 14:39:01
Don't make me have to pull quotes from the Qur'an again showing that it's perfectly ok to stone non-believers to death.
You did like in 3 thread already and in all those 3 thread people on this website explained you it was wrong, also it wasn't Quran quote.
I'm down for another 100 page but find new material at least :(
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-06 14:40:16
The documents that were written are living documents open to interpretation at the present. Thats what makes the country unique and at the same time causes a clusterfuck of confusion at times. Its the laws and rights we believe in that the country was founded upon and that traditions that arose from that time we still to an extent practice today.
Sure we can update the laws/completely change them to be more in place with modern times and we do that constantly with different acts and other stuff. and it always causes shitstorms because they are constantly in interference with the values we believe in.
religion in the constitution Quote: When the Constitution was submitted to the American public, "many pious people" complained that the document had slighted God, for it contained "no recognition of his mercies to us . . . or even of his existence." The Constitution was reticent about religion for two reasons: first, many delegates were committed federalists, who believed that the power to legislate on religion, if it existed at all, lay within the domain of the state, not the national, governments; second, the delegates believed that it would be a tactical mistake to introduce such a politically controversial issue as religion into the Constitution. The only "religious clause" in the document--the proscription of religious tests as qualifications for federal office in Article Six--was intended to defuse controversy by disarming potential critics who might claim religious discrimination in eligibility for public office.
That religion was not otherwise addressed in the Constitution did not make it an "irreligious" document any more than the Articles of Confederation was an "irreligious" document. The Constitution dealt with the church precisely as the Articles had, thereby maintaining, at the national level, the religious status quo. In neither document did the people yield any explicit power to act in the field of religion. But the absence of expressed powers did not prevent either the Continental-Confederation Congress or the Congress under the Constitution from sponsoring a program to support general, nonsectarian religion. can find more info about religion in the government here
open to change by amending it, not changing the meaning on a whim by untouchable judges*
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 14:46:10
Don't make me have to pull quotes from the Qur'an again showing that it's perfectly ok to stone non-believers to death.
You did like in 3 thread already and in all those 3 thread people on this website explained you it was wrong, also it wasn't Quran quote.
I'm down for another 100 page but find new material at least :( No, you and a few others tried to defend it but could not when I pointed out that the Qur'an (which came from the website that publishes the entire "holy book" in English) specifically stated such.
That's like I'm saying that a book said "dogs are evil" and referenced it, and you state that the book isn't saying that "dogs are evil" but it means that "cats are evil," which it clearly did not state that.
Sometimes your blind ignorance is amusing, sometimes not. This is one that it's amusing.
By Jetackuu 2014-10-06 14:55:38
Abrahamic "holy" texts are all really self damning and not to mention contradictory, but it's cute and sad to watch the apologists at play.
inb4 "allegory"
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-10-06 15:00:09
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-10-06 15:06:42
Don't make me have to pull quotes from the Qur'an again showing that it's perfectly ok to stone non-believers to death.
You did like in 3 thread already and in all those 3 thread people on this website explained you it was wrong, also it wasn't Quran quote.
I'm down for another 100 page but find new material at least :( No, you and a few others tried to defend it but could not when I pointed out that the Qur'an (which came from the website that publishes the entire "holy book" in English) specifically stated such.
That's like I'm saying that a book said "dogs are evil" and referenced it, and you state that the book isn't saying that "dogs are evil" but it means that "cats are evil," which it clearly did not state that.
Sometimes your blind ignorance is amusing, sometimes not. This is one that it's amusing.
Hadith =/= Quran but ok.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-10-06 15:21:13
Funny enough if I made a dig at Muhammad like that Jesus dig above I'd probably get a free ticket to a fatwa and a summary execution. Tolerance, peace, understanding and a beheading.
Worse still if I drew a picture and put it up well.. everyone'd lose their MINDS!
And yes, I know the average Muslim doesn't give a ***if I decided to make a dig at your prophets expense but in the West when we're too afraid to offend Islam even in jest, that says alot about the global image of said religion.
I can insult Buddha, Jesus, Cthulu and Jews wandering around the desert looking for infinite mako energy but hands off my prophet!
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 15:22:41
Don't make me have to pull quotes from the Qur'an again showing that it's perfectly ok to stone non-believers to death.
You did like in 3 thread already and in all those 3 thread people on this website explained you it was wrong, also it wasn't Quran quote.
I'm down for another 100 page but find new material at least :( No, you and a few others tried to defend it but could not when I pointed out that the Qur'an (which came from the website that publishes the entire "holy book" in English) specifically stated such.
That's like I'm saying that a book said "dogs are evil" and referenced it, and you state that the book isn't saying that "dogs are evil" but it means that "cats are evil," which it clearly did not state that.
Sometimes your blind ignorance is amusing, sometimes not. This is one that it's amusing. >taking religious texts as something more than common sense lessons
I don't know, when my muslim friend tells me about what the Coran says or someone else tells me about what the holy bible say, they usually always talk to me about those very interesting stories that make you think twice about life. They never wasted their time talking to me about the rape thing above.
Maybe there is a reason to them doing so.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Funny enough if I made a dig at Muhammad like that Jesus dig above I'd probably get a free ticket to a fatwa and a summary execution. Tolerance, peace, understanding and a beheading.
Worse still if I drew a picture and put it up well.. everyone'd lose their MINDS!
And yes, I know the average Muslim doesn't give a ***if I decided to make a dig at your prophets expense but in the West when we're too afraid to offend Islam even in jest, that says alot about the global image of said religion.
I can insult Buddha, Jesus, Cthulu and Jews wandering around the desert looking for infinite mako energy but hands off my prophet! Yeah, that's one thing that makes no sense to me.
In France we make fun of everything, starting by ourselves. So when this guy made a drawing of the Mahomet and his life was threatened, I thought "what the *** is wrong with you people?".
People really need to learn not to pay attention when someone does something insignificant.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-10-06 15:45:47
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »looking for infinite mako energy Just need a couple of magnets, a pin and send it into space. Boom, infinite energy. [citation needed]
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2014-10-06 15:49:28
Don't make me have to pull quotes from the Qur'an again showing that it's perfectly ok to stone non-believers to death.
You did like in 3 thread already and in all those 3 thread people on this website explained you it was wrong, also it wasn't Quran quote.
I'm down for another 100 page but find new material at least :( I already did so at least twice, don't waste your time.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Funny enough if I made a dig at Muhammad like that Jesus dig above I'd probably get a free ticket to a fatwa and a summary execution. Tolerance, peace, understanding and a beheading.
Worse still if I drew a picture and put it up well.. everyone'd lose their MINDS!
And yes, I know the average Muslim doesn't give a ***if I decided to make a dig at your prophets expense but in the West when we're too afraid to offend Islam even in jest, that says alot about the global image of said religion.
I can insult Buddha, Jesus, Cthulu and Jews wandering around the desert looking for infinite mako energy but hands off my prophet! I take it the "average muslim" to you is similar to "the average Christian". Yeah no.
Any "true" muslim (hope Jet bites) would be offended if you insult the prophet.
Why does it itch you so bad that you wanna "insult" religious figures anyways?
Glad you said "insult" yourself
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-06 15:55:07
By maldini 2014-10-07 02:01:18
Don't make me have to pull quotes from the Qur'an again showing that it's perfectly ok to stone non-believers to death. Get it! show me where the Quran says to "stone" infidels.
By maldini 2014-10-07 02:04:23
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Funny enough if I made a dig at Muhammad like that Jesus dig above I'd probably get a free ticket to a fatwa and a summary execution. Tolerance, peace, understanding and a beheading.
Worse still if I drew a picture and put it up well.. everyone'd lose their MINDS!
And yes, I know the average Muslim doesn't give a ***if I decided to make a dig at your prophets expense but in the West when we're too afraid to offend Islam even in jest, that says alot about the global image of said religion.
I can insult Buddha, Jesus, Cthulu and Jews wandering around the desert looking for infinite mako energy but hands off my prophet!
Not really true. If the masses feel insulted because you're attacking their faith that's something else.
But do me a favor, go to France, Paris and walk out in the street and go to a police officer and say "I doubt the holocaust. I believe it didn't happen"
Enjoy 5 years in prison.
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By maldini 2014-10-07 02:08:56
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Funny enough if I made a dig at Muhammad like that Jesus dig above I'd probably get a free ticket to a fatwa and a summary execution. Tolerance, peace, understanding and a beheading.
Worse still if I drew a picture and put it up well.. everyone'd lose their MINDS!
And yes, I know the average Muslim doesn't give a ***if I decided to make a dig at your prophets expense but in the West when we're too afraid to offend Islam even in jest, that says alot about the global image of said religion.
I can insult Buddha, Jesus, Cthulu and Jews wandering around the desert looking for infinite mako energy but hands off my prophet!
And we've told you before - ALL MUSLIMS do give a ***if you make a "dig" at the prophet. Why can't you understand we are not a culture of mockery and pissing on people's beliefs?
If you think there is 1 adult muslim in the world who would sit and let you mock the prophet infront of them, you're gravely mistaken. So why do you want to poke the Bee's hive? Just because its cool?
By Voren 2014-10-07 02:20:50
Why can't you understand we are not a culture of allowing other people to mock and piss on our beliefs as we do everyone else's?
ftfy
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-07 02:42:02
You don't want people to mock you for your beliefs? then don't tell others what they are and then they won't talk about them.
Then again (most likely) if indoctrination ceased religion as we know it would all but cease, and be dwindled down to isolated cults that would go back to fighting amongst themselves for power and dominance, or just kill themselves en masse. Let's try it and see if I'm right.
By maldini 2014-10-07 03:00:41
Why can't you understand we are not a culture of allowing other people to mock and piss on our beliefs as we do everyone else's?
ftfy
You are extremely mistaken. How can we piss on other's beliefs when they believe the same thing we do?
We believe in Jesus, Abraham, Mosses, Eizekiel, John the Baptist, the disciples, David and Solomon, Noah, Adam.... They are all in our religion and disbelieving in them or insulting ANY of them is the same as insulting Mohammed SAWS.
The Noble Quran:
Sahih International
"And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
By voiceless 2014-10-07 05:02:59
Don't make me have to pull quotes from the Qur'an again showing that it's perfectly ok to stone non-believers to death.
You did like in 3 thread already and in all those 3 thread people on this website explained you it was wrong, also it wasn't Quran quote.
I'm down for another 100 page but find new material at least :( No, you and a few others tried to defend it but could not when I pointed out that the Qur'an (which came from the website that publishes the entire "holy book" in English) specifically stated such.
That's like I'm saying that a book said "dogs are evil" and referenced it, and you state that the book isn't saying that "dogs are evil" but it means that "cats are evil," which it clearly did not state that.
Sometimes your blind ignorance is amusing, sometimes not. This is one that it's amusing.
The Quran never Stated that the Dog is evil There is a hadith that states the saliva of the dog is only dirty and not all Hadiths are Correct. Therefor you have to cleanse yourself with the practice of wuthu if you touched the mouth of a dog by any means. The Cave men had a Dog and its stated in the Quran clearly about the Cavemen and their Dog. The Prophet Muhammad Had a saluki Dog. The Bedouin Majority had a Saluki Dog that also sleeps in the tent. I thought this was an Islamic state Thread (which is not Islamic) not a cultural Bashing and religious insults to believers might as well call this Bashing other cultures and Religons
NOT ONLY People like you have Distorted and Rewritten OUR HISTORY but are now moving deeper to our Believes?
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By maldini 2014-10-07 07:55:43
Don't make me have to pull quotes from the Qur'an again showing that it's perfectly ok to stone non-believers to death.
You did like in 3 thread already and in all those 3 thread people on this website explained you it was wrong, also it wasn't Quran quote.
I'm down for another 100 page but find new material at least :( No, you and a few others tried to defend it but could not when I pointed out that the Qur'an (which came from the website that publishes the entire "holy book" in English) specifically stated such.
That's like I'm saying that a book said "dogs are evil" and referenced it, and you state that the book isn't saying that "dogs are evil" but it means that "cats are evil," which it clearly did not state that.
Sometimes your blind ignorance is amusing, sometimes not. This is one that it's amusing.
The Quran never Stated that the Dog is evil There is a hadith that states the saliva of the dog is only dirty and not all Hadiths are Correct. Therefor you have to cleanse yourself with the practice of wuthu if you touched the mouth of a dog by any means. The Cave men had a Dog and its stated in the Quran clearly about the Cavemen and their Dog. The Prophet Muhammad Had a saluki Dog. The Bedouin Majority had a Saluki Dog that also sleeps in the tent. I thought this was an Islamic state Thread (which is not Islamic) not a cultural Bashing and religious insults to believers might as well call this Bashing other cultures and Religons
NOT ONLY People like you have Distorted and Rewritten OUR HISTORY but are now moving deeper to our Believes?
This is obviously aimed at Kingofsh!t, not Ccl.
By Ramyrez 2014-10-07 08:13:11
It's here for you when you're ready to set aside your quibbling over lesser, Earthly religions and realize that the only answer is to serve the Elder Gods.
Just sayin'.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-07 09:03:15
Don't make me have to pull quotes from the Qur'an again showing that it's perfectly ok to stone non-believers to death. Get it! show me where the Quran says to "stone" infidels. Here you go.
Quote: Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) stoned (to death) a person from Banu Aslam, and a Jew and his wife.
And before you get all huffy, it does specifically state and separates out Jewish people.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-07 09:24:22
Don't make me have to pull quotes from the Qur'an again showing that it's perfectly ok to stone non-believers to death.
You did like in 3 thread already and in all those 3 thread people on this website explained you it was wrong, also it wasn't Quran quote.
I'm down for another 100 page but find new material at least :( No, you and a few others tried to defend it but could not when I pointed out that the Qur'an (which came from the website that publishes the entire "holy book" in English) specifically stated such.
That's like I'm saying that a book said "dogs are evil" and referenced it, and you state that the book isn't saying that "dogs are evil" but it means that "cats are evil," which it clearly did not state that.
Sometimes your blind ignorance is amusing, sometimes not. This is one that it's amusing.
The Quran never Stated that the Dog is evil There is a hadith that states the saliva of the dog is only dirty and not all Hadiths are Correct. Therefor you have to cleanse yourself with the practice of wuthu if you touched the mouth of a dog by any means. The Cave men had a Dog and its stated in the Quran clearly about the Cavemen and their Dog. The Prophet Muhammad Had a saluki Dog. The Bedouin Majority had a Saluki Dog that also sleeps in the tent. I thought this was an Islamic state Thread (which is not Islamic) not a cultural Bashing and religious insults to believers might as well call this Bashing other cultures and Religons
NOT ONLY People like you have Distorted and Rewritten OUR HISTORY but are now moving deeper to our Believes? You need to take your medication. You are starting to sound like Senkyuu.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-10-07 09:52:01
lol @ "religion of peace"
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Quote: Islamic State urges attacks on U.S., French citizens, taunts Obama
Residents of Tabqa city and Islamic State militants tour the streets in celebration after Islamic State militants took over Tabqa air base in northeast Syria, August 24, 2014.
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Islamic State urged its followers on Monday to attack citizens of the United States, France and other countries which have joined a coalition to destroy the ultra-radical group.
Islamic State spokesman Abu Muhammad al-Adnani also taunted U.S. President Barack Obama and other Western "crusaders" in a statement carried by the SITE monitoring website, saying their forces faced inevitable defeat at the insurgents' hands.
The United States is building an international coalition to combat the extremist Sunni Muslim force, which has seized large expanses of territory in Iraq and Syria and proclaimed a caliphate erasing borders in the heart of the Middle East.
Adnani said the intervention by the U.S.-led coalition would be the "final campaign of the crusaders", according to SITE's English-language transcript of an audio recording in Arabic.
"It will be broken and defeated, just as all your previous campaigns were broken and defeated," Adnani said, according to the recording, which urged followers to attack U.S., French, Canadian, Australian and other nationals.
French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said the group's call showed once again, "if it needed to be shown, the barbarity of these terrorists, and shows why we must fight them relentlessly..." In a statement, he added, using an Arabic acronym for the militants: "We must also eliminate the risk that Daesh represents to our security."
U.S. and French warplanes have struck Islamic State targets in Iraq, and on Sunday the United States said other countries had indicated a willingness to join it if it goes ahead with air strikes against the group in Syria too.
Washington has also committed $500 million to arm and train Syrian rebels and to send 1,600 U.S. military advisers to Iraq to help fight Islamic State, while stressing the U.S. personnel would not engage in combat.
Adnani mocked Western leaders over their deepening military engagement in the region and said Obama was repeating the mistakes of his predecessor, George W. Bush.
"If you fight it (Islamic State), it becomes stronger and tougher. If you leave it alone, it grows and expands. If Obama has promised you with defeating the Islamic State, then Bush has also lied before him," Adnani said, according to the transcript.
"DRAGGED TO DESTRUCTION"
Addressing Obama directly, Adnani added: "O mule of the Jews, you claimed today that America would not be drawn into a war on the ground. No, it will be drawn and dragged ... to its death, grave and destruction."
Obama, who has spent much of his tenure since 2009 extracting the United States from Iraq after its costly 2003 invasion and occupation, is sensitive to charges that he is being drawn into another long campaign that risks the lives of U.S. soldiers.
While Obama has ruled out a combat mission, military officials say the reality of a protracted campaign in Iraq and possibly Syria may ultimately require greater use of U.S. troops, including tactical air strike spotters or front-line advisers embedded with Iraqi forces.
In his statement, Adnani criticised Kurdish fighters who are battling the Islamic State militants in both Syria and Iraq.
"We do not fight Kurds because they are Kurds. Rather we fight the disbelievers amongst them, the allies of the crusaders and Jews in their war against the Muslims," Adnani said.
He added that there were many Muslim Kurds within the ranks of the Islamic State army.
On Monday, Syrian Kurdish fighters halted an advance by Islamic State to the east of a predominantly Kurdish town near the border with Turkey, a spokesman for the main Kurdish group said.
Adnani also condemned Saudi Arabia, whose senior Muslim clergy have denounced Islamic State and whose ruling royal family has joined other Arab states in a pledge to tackle militant ideology as part of a strategy to counter the group.
Adnani condemned Western inaction over Syria's conflict, in which President Bashar al-Assad's forces have been embroiled in civil war with mainly Sunni Muslim fighters since 2011. He said the West had "looked the other way" when barrel bombs were dropped and chemical weapons were used against Muslim civilians.
"So know that – by Allah – we fear not the swarms of planes, nor ballistic missiles, nor drones, nor satellites, nor battleships, nor weapons of mass destruction."
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