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St. Louis, Missouri Vs. The Police: Heaven or Hell, Duel 1! Let's rock!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-19 09:58:31
The excuse there is the death of a young black man in not fully known circumstances. That is not a valid excuse to destroy property.
Also, why are you saying "your general thugs"? The term "your" in this case is not in reference to anyone in general, but a group in whole.
Edit: paged, so here's some fish:
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-19 10:26:54
The excuse there is the death of a young black man in not fully known circumstances. That is not a valid excuse to destroy property.
Also, why are you saying "your general thugs"? The term "your" in this case is not in reference to anyone in general, but a group in whole.
Edit: paged, so here's some fish:
Of course it is not. But, in riots there almost always are collateral grieves.
By fonewear 2014-08-19 11:19:53
Remember when people were killing each other in the Gaza Strip me either.
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 11:21:08
What do you mean "you" people. Oh you are referring to the plural version of you as in everybody not a specific racial group.
I'm a personal pronoun and I didn't pay attention in English class.
By fonewear 2014-08-19 11:36:39
The 9000 hours of CNN coverage is not enough. I demand more !
By fonewear 2014-08-19 11:43:53
Honestly I think I rather hear about something besides the Missouri thing. This news story is stale time for something fresh.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-19 14:18:33
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.
I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 14:21:28
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.
I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?
Wow am I getting sick of that phrase from both sides. Damn do I hate catch phrases in the media.
Objectively speaking, it could be from either of those attempting to be aprehended. Or one of his own fellow officers if there was a tussle involving multiple officers and suspects.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-19 14:24:28
Now you've done it. Egypt has its two cents to put in.
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Egypt on Tuesday urged U.S. authorities to exercise restraint in dealing with racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri - echoing language Washington used to caution Egypt as it cracked down on Islamist protesters last year.
U.S. foes Iran and Syria also lambasted the United States, but while they are frequent critics of Washington, it is unusual for Egypt to criticize such a major donor. It was not immediately clear why Egypt would issue such a statement. Egypt urges U.S. restraint over Missouri unrest
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 14:27:25
Now you've done it. Egypt has its two cents to put in.
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Egypt on Tuesday urged U.S. authorities to exercise restraint in dealing with racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri - echoing language Washington used to caution Egypt as it cracked down on Islamist protesters last year.
U.S. foes Iran and Syria also lambasted the United States, but while they are frequent critics of Washington, it is unusual for Egypt to criticize such a major donor. It was not immediately clear why Egypt would issue such a statement. Egypt urges U.S. restraint over Missouri unrest
Except short of the initial incident, all the shooting and violence has been coming from the rioters and looters, not the government. Any additional use of riot control tactics had been just that; attempting to control violent riots in as subdued a fashion as possible whilst maintaining some degree of safety.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-19 14:30:49
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.
I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?
Wow am I getting sick of that phrase from both sides. Damn do I hate catch phrases in the media.
Objectively speaking, it could be from either of those attempting to be aprehended. Or one of his own fellow officers if there was a tussle involving multiple officers and suspects.
Wanna put some money on that?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 14:37:34
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.
I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?
Wow am I getting sick of that phrase from both sides. Damn do I hate catch phrases in the media.
Objectively speaking, it could be from either of those attempting to be aprehended. Or one of his own fellow officers* if there was a tussle involving multiple officers and suspects.
Wanna put some money on that?
*inadvertant was the implication, sorry.
I said "objectively speaking".
I know it's a rare phrase around here.
We're talking "reasonable doubt". That's all. The same will be applied to the officer's defense, to be sure.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-19 14:47:36
The whole point is the narrative being pushed, and how in the end the facts will almost certainly not resemble it at all. What happens to the race baiters then, is there a way to hold them accountable?
I haven't played FFXI in quite some time, but I'm tempted to re-activate, transfer servers, and hand over over 100 million gil to the guy who calls it for the narrative and is right.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-19 15:13:00
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.
I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?
You also claimed to hear the kid had marijuana in his system, so really, until you can provide actual proof, it's safe to ignore everything you have claimed to hear.
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-08-19 15:28:22
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.
Quote: 3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.
Source
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-19 15:30:13
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.
Quote: 3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.
SourceThis calls for more looting!
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By Lakshmi.Kathee 2014-08-19 15:32:18
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.
I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?
Wow am I getting sick of that phrase from both sides. Damn do I hate catch phrases in the media.
Objectively speaking, it could be from either of those attempting to be aprehended. Or one of his own fellow officers if there was a tussle involving multiple officers and suspects.
I'm sick of "Hands up, don't shoot".
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-08-19 15:33:05
I'm sick of "Hands up, don't shoot".
Shoot anyway. Just don't shoot to kill.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-19 15:42:27
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.
I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?
Wow am I getting sick of that phrase from both sides. Damn do I hate catch phrases in the media.
Objectively speaking, it could be from either of those attempting to be aprehended. Or one of his own fellow officers* if there was a tussle involving multiple officers and suspects.
Wanna put some money on that?
*inadvertant was the implication, sorry.
I said "objectively speaking".
I know it's a rare phrase around here.
We're talking "reasonable doubt". That's all. The same will be applied to the officer's defense, to be sure. A situation where someone is purportedly halted for jaywalking/improper walking, which apparently escalated into the use of lethal force, seems somewhat strange.
Admittedly, it has been years since I've spent more than a few weeks at a time in the US, but from what I recall of officers speaking of training (from a few decades ago), they are supposed to be trained to use non-lethal force before lethal force. For example, to progress from presenting no weapon, to nightstick/spray/taser (whenever they received those) prior to lethal force, pretty much to expressly prevent threat escalation. The same goes for always attempting to operate in pairs or more, if possible. Preventing escalation reduces the likelihood of being in a dangerous situation, and reduces the likelihood of being in a situation where you can rapidly lose control.
That principle seems to be tossed out the window when officers will unclasp and place hands on pistols when making routine traffic stops.
Cultivating a "do what it takes to get to the end of the day alive" isn't a police mindset, it is a mercenary's mindset.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-19 15:55:18
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.
Quote: 3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.
SourceThis calls for more looting! Not quite yet King, we need race baiters to take the lead and re-trend the "gentle knife wielding giant" meme...
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-19 15:55:31
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.
Quote: 3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.
SourceThis calls for more looting! If this is the same department, this calls for something more along the lines of suspending the whole department pending investigation, and bringing in another agency in the interim.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-19 16:02:45
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.
Quote: 3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.
SourceThis calls for more looting! Not quite yet King, we need race baiters to take the lead and re-trend the "gentle knife wielding giant" meme... Isn't it obvious? White cops gun down innocent, poor, black kids just because they are black every day.
Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson both said so, so it must be true! Don't forget, if Obama had sons, they would be all slain kids.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-19 17:10:00
if Obama had sons, they would be all slain kids. What a depressing fantasy Obama has if he ever had any sons.
"If I had any sons, they'd all be dead."
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 17:10:44
If I had a son that was black I'd say damn that was a hell of a night.
Then I would go on Maury and do my DNA test to prove I'm not the father.
By fonewear 2014-08-19 17:11:57
I could go for some dark chocolate though...
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By Lakshmi.Kathee 2014-08-19 17:38:29
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.
Quote: 3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.
SourceThis calls for more looting! If this is the same department, this calls for something more along the lines of suspending the whole department pending investigation, and bringing in another agency in the interim.
It's not, today's shooting of the knife wielding robber was in the City of St Louis, Mike Brown's happened in Ferguson, which has it's on police department and probably backed up by St Louis County police.
By fonewear 2014-08-19 19:19:09
Justice for Trayvon!
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-08-19 19:35:39
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.
Quote: 3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.
SourceThis calls for more looting! If this is the same department, this calls for something more along the lines of suspending the whole department pending investigation, and bringing in another agency in the interim. I disagree in part. If the account is accurate, shooting him was warranted. Lethal force, on the other hand, was not.
By fonewear 2014-08-19 19:37:38
What do we want justice ! When do we want it...um...eventually !
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-08-19 20:24:00
nothing makes me feel better about my race being treated as inferiors like a pair of nykes with the five finger discount
To recap the events going on:
It all started with this:
Quote: The fatal shooting of an unarmed black St. Louis teen Saturday has caused an outcry of anger toward the city’s police, with locals rallying in the streets and widening uproar on social media.
Eighteen-year-old Michael Brown was being placed in a police squad car, eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw told the St. Louis Dispatch, when he put his hands in the air and attempted to flee. Several shots hit him as he ran away.
St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar said Sunday that Brown struggled for the officer’s gun in the patrol car and that one shot was fired from the officer’s gun during the tussle. The officer fired multiple shots at Brown as he fled, Belmar said.
Anger flared the rest of the day after Brown’s death, as protesters screamed obscenities mixed with threats to “kill the police,” and more than 60 area police officers responded to the scene. More shots were reported, though no one was injured. Public Outcry After Police Shooting of Black St. Louis Teenager
Then this happened:
Quote: An uneasy calm settled over Ferguson, Missouri, early Tuesday after a second night of violent clashes between law enforcement and residents protesting the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager, with another demonstration planned for mid-morning.
So far, more than 50 people have been arrested in protests following the death of Michael Brown, 18, in a largely black St. Louis suburb on Saturday after what police officials said was a struggle with a gun in a squad car.
The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation into the racially charged case, and St. Louis County is also investigating the shooting.
Police have not said why Brown was in the police car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the officer fired more shots before leaving the car, police said.
Chanting "hands up, don’t shoot," protesters overnight challenged police trying to seal off the neighborhood where Brown was shot, a low-income, high-crime area east of downtown Ferguson. Some protesters said they were outraged that Brown appeared to have been shot while holding his hands up in surrender, calling the shooting the latest in a long history of police harassment of area minorities.
"They brought this on themselves," said 25-year-old Adam Burcher of Ferguson, who stood outside the Ferguson Police Department on Monday night with a sign reading "Stop Killing."
Later on Tuesday, a protest is expected outside the St. Louis County prosecutor's office in Clayton, Missouri, and officials are also expected to identify the police officer involved in the shooting. Another protest set in Missouri after riots over teen's killing
Followed by this:
Quote: Violence again erupted in the St. Louis area near the site of the police shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, according to local police, despite calls by U.S. President Barack Obama and activists for a measured response.
Early on Wednesday, a police officer shot and critically wounded a man who drew a handgun near the site of protests over the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, a St. Louis County Police Department officer said.
Police responded about an hour after midnight to reports of four or five men with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They encountered multiple suspects running, one of whom pulled a gun on an officer, who fired at him, the county officer said. The man was taken to an area hospital.
Shortly after midnight, police fired tear gas into protesters who had confronted a line of officers after a far larger crowd dispersed, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman said.
A photograph in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch showed a protester wearing a shirt with an American flag printed on it throwing a tear gas container back at the police. There were other media reports of bottles thrown at police.
The incidents followed two nights of violent protests, looting and arrests in Ferguson, the largely black St. Louis suburb where the shooting of Brown took place. Violence erupts again after killing of black Missouri teen
And now to bring you up to date:
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The Ferguson and St. Louis County police departments, which led the initial response to civil unrest in Ferguson, are both equipped with military equipment donated by the Defense Dept. Ferguson has received two vehicles, a trailer and a generator and St. Louis County has received nine utility trucks and two cargo trailers since 2012.
The equipment was received under the 1033 program which was enacted by Congress in 1992, and expanded in 1997. The program allows police forces to request and receive refurbished military equipment free of charge from the Pentagon. Police departments need only pay for shipping. Ferguson and St. Louis County police received military equipment from Pentagon
Quote: President Barack Obama on Thursday said that police should respect protesters after four nights of racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri, over the recent police killing of an unarmed black teenager.
"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," Obama said a televised remarks.
"There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protesters or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights," he said, speaking to the press from Edgartown, Massachusetts near where he is vacationing with his family.
After the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb on Saturday, dozens of protesters have been arrested and the police have used riot gear, tear gas and rubber bullets to break up protests.
There have been peaceful vigils and demonstrations as well as episodes of looting and violence.
Governor Jay Nixon on Thursday also told community members at a church in the St. Louis area that "over the next few hours we are going to be making some shifts so that people will be ... safe." He did not specify what his steps would be made. Obama calls for police to respect protesters in Ferguson, Missouri
Don't forget this one too:
Quote: Two reporters covering the shooting of an unarmed black teen by a white police officer in a St. Louis suburb say they were arrested at a McDonald’s Wednesday evening in the commercial corridor where angry protests have occurred.
Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post say they were working in the fast-food restaurant when SWAT officers came in to quickly clear the area. Both quickly tweeted about their arrests, detention and subsequent release without any charges.
Reilly tells KMOX News that officers were trying to clear out the restaurant.
“I was just packing up, and I evidently did not move quickly enough,” he says.
Reilly says an officer banged his head on the restaurant door and sarcastically apologized for it.
“None of them were wearing name badges, I don’t know why,” he says. “Over a dozen times I asked for an identity, I asked for a badge number, and all the officers standing around heard my request and ignored it.”
Reilly said he believes they were released so quickly because they were journalists. He realized during his interview with KMOX News that he was not read his Miranda Rights.
“I wasn’t even Mirandaized,” he says. “I did not even think about that until you just mentioned. I was never given…nothing…wow. I should really know that as a justice reporter. I sort of knew it by heart, but I was never given my rights, or anything like that was mentioned.”
Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson did not immediately return a cellphone message from The Associated Press seeking comment. 2 Reporters Arrested At Ferguson McDonald’s
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