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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-19 09:58:31
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
The excuse there is the death of a young black man in not fully known circumstances.
That is not a valid excuse to destroy property.

Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Also, why are you saying "your general thugs"?
The term "your" in this case is not in reference to anyone in general, but a group in whole.

Edit: paged, so here's some fish:

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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-19 10:26:54
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
The excuse there is the death of a young black man in not fully known circumstances.
That is not a valid excuse to destroy property.

Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Also, why are you saying "your general thugs"?
The term "your" in this case is not in reference to anyone in general, but a group in whole.

Edit: paged, so here's some fish:


Of course it is not. But, in riots there almost always are collateral grieves.
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 11:19:53
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Remember when people were killing each other in the Gaza Strip me either.
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 11:21:08
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What do you mean "you" people. Oh you are referring to the plural version of you as in everybody not a specific racial group.


I'm a personal pronoun and I didn't pay attention in English class.
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 11:36:39
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The 9000 hours of CNN coverage is not enough. I demand more !
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 11:43:53
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Honestly I think I rather hear about something besides the Missouri thing. This news story is stale time for something fresh.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-19 14:18:33
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Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.

I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 14:21:28
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.

I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?

Wow am I getting sick of that phrase from both sides. Damn do I hate catch phrases in the media.

Objectively speaking, it could be from either of those attempting to be aprehended. Or one of his own fellow officers if there was a tussle involving multiple officers and suspects.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-19 14:24:28
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Now you've done it. Egypt has its two cents to put in.

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Egypt on Tuesday urged U.S. authorities to exercise restraint in dealing with racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri - echoing language Washington used to caution Egypt as it cracked down on Islamist protesters last year.

U.S. foes Iran and Syria also lambasted the United States, but while they are frequent critics of Washington, it is unusual for Egypt to criticize such a major donor. It was not immediately clear why Egypt would issue such a statement.
Egypt urges U.S. restraint over Missouri unrest
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 14:27:25
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Now you've done it. Egypt has its two cents to put in.

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Egypt on Tuesday urged U.S. authorities to exercise restraint in dealing with racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri - echoing language Washington used to caution Egypt as it cracked down on Islamist protesters last year.

U.S. foes Iran and Syria also lambasted the United States, but while they are frequent critics of Washington, it is unusual for Egypt to criticize such a major donor. It was not immediately clear why Egypt would issue such a statement.
Egypt urges U.S. restraint over Missouri unrest

Except short of the initial incident, all the shooting and violence has been coming from the rioters and looters, not the government. Any additional use of riot control tactics had been just that; attempting to control violent riots in as subdued a fashion as possible whilst maintaining some degree of safety.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-19 14:30:49
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.

I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?

Wow am I getting sick of that phrase from both sides. Damn do I hate catch phrases in the media.

Objectively speaking, it could be from either of those attempting to be aprehended. Or one of his own fellow officers if there was a tussle involving multiple officers and suspects.


Wanna put some money on that?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 14:37:34
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.

I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?

Wow am I getting sick of that phrase from both sides. Damn do I hate catch phrases in the media.

Objectively speaking, it could be from either of those attempting to be aprehended. Or one of his own fellow officers* if there was a tussle involving multiple officers and suspects.


Wanna put some money on that?

*inadvertant was the implication, sorry.

I said "objectively speaking".

I know it's a rare phrase around here.

We're talking "reasonable doubt". That's all. The same will be applied to the officer's defense, to be sure.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-19 14:47:36
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The whole point is the narrative being pushed, and how in the end the facts will almost certainly not resemble it at all. What happens to the race baiters then, is there a way to hold them accountable?

I haven't played FFXI in quite some time, but I'm tempted to re-activate, transfer servers, and hand over over 100 million gil to the guy who calls it for the narrative and is right.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-19 15:13:00
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.

I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?

You also claimed to hear the kid had marijuana in his system, so really, until you can provide actual proof, it's safe to ignore everything you have claimed to hear.
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-08-19 15:28:22
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So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.

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3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.

"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-19 15:30:13
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Fenrir.Squintik said: »
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.

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3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.

"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.

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This calls for more looting!
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By Lakshmi.Kathee 2014-08-19 15:32:18
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.

I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?

Wow am I getting sick of that phrase from both sides. Damn do I hate catch phrases in the media.

Objectively speaking, it could be from either of those attempting to be aprehended. Or one of his own fellow officers if there was a tussle involving multiple officers and suspects.


I'm sick of "Hands up, don't shoot".
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-08-19 15:33:05
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Lakshmi.Kathee said: »
I'm sick of "Hands up, don't shoot".

Shoot anyway. Just don't shoot to kill.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-19 15:42:27
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Hearing now the Officer Darren Williams now has an orbital fracture around his eye socket.

I wonder how he got that? Could it have been from the "Gentle Giant"?

Wow am I getting sick of that phrase from both sides. Damn do I hate catch phrases in the media.

Objectively speaking, it could be from either of those attempting to be aprehended. Or one of his own fellow officers* if there was a tussle involving multiple officers and suspects.


Wanna put some money on that?

*inadvertant was the implication, sorry.

I said "objectively speaking".

I know it's a rare phrase around here.

We're talking "reasonable doubt". That's all. The same will be applied to the officer's defense, to be sure.
A situation where someone is purportedly halted for jaywalking/improper walking, which apparently escalated into the use of lethal force, seems somewhat strange.

Admittedly, it has been years since I've spent more than a few weeks at a time in the US, but from what I recall of officers speaking of training (from a few decades ago), they are supposed to be trained to use non-lethal force before lethal force. For example, to progress from presenting no weapon, to nightstick/spray/taser (whenever they received those) prior to lethal force, pretty much to expressly prevent threat escalation. The same goes for always attempting to operate in pairs or more, if possible. Preventing escalation reduces the likelihood of being in a dangerous situation, and reduces the likelihood of being in a situation where you can rapidly lose control.

That principle seems to be tossed out the window when officers will unclasp and place hands on pistols when making routine traffic stops.

Cultivating a "do what it takes to get to the end of the day alive" isn't a police mindset, it is a mercenary's mindset.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-19 15:55:18
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Fenrir.Squintik said: »
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.

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3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.

"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.

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This calls for more looting!
Not quite yet King, we need race baiters to take the lead and re-trend the "gentle knife wielding giant" meme...
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-19 15:55:31
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Fenrir.Squintik said: »
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.

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3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.

"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.

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This calls for more looting!
If this is the same department, this calls for something more along the lines of suspending the whole department pending investigation, and bringing in another agency in the interim.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-19 16:02:45
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Fenrir.Squintik said: »
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.

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3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.

"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.

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This calls for more looting!
Not quite yet King, we need race baiters to take the lead and re-trend the "gentle knife wielding giant" meme...
Isn't it obvious? White cops gun down innocent, poor, black kids just because they are black every day.

Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson both said so, so it must be true! Don't forget, if Obama had sons, they would be all slain kids.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-19 17:10:00
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
if Obama had sons, they would be all slain kids.
What a depressing fantasy Obama has if he ever had any sons.

"If I had any sons, they'd all be dead."
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 17:10:44
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If I had a son that was black I'd say damn that was a hell of a night.


Then I would go on Maury and do my DNA test to prove I'm not the father.
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 17:11:57
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I could go for some dark chocolate though...
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By Lakshmi.Kathee 2014-08-19 17:38:29
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Fenrir.Squintik said: »
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.

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3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.

"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.

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This calls for more looting!
If this is the same department, this calls for something more along the lines of suspending the whole department pending investigation, and bringing in another agency in the interim.


It's not, today's shooting of the knife wielding robber was in the City of St Louis, Mike Brown's happened in Ferguson, which has it's on police department and probably backed up by St Louis County police.
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 19:19:09
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Justice for Trayvon!
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-08-19 19:35:39
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Fenrir.Squintik said: »
So apparently there has been another officer-related slaying of an African-American male, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was killed.

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3:05 p.m. ET: St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the suspect, a 23-year-old African-American male, had been involved in a convenience store theft early Tuesday afternoon and was seen acting eratically. When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.

"Every police officer out here has the right to defend themselves," Dotson told reporters.

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This calls for more looting!
If this is the same department, this calls for something more along the lines of suspending the whole department pending investigation, and bringing in another agency in the interim.
I disagree in part. If the account is accurate, shooting him was warranted. Lethal force, on the other hand, was not.
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 19:37:38
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What do we want justice ! When do we want it...um...eventually !
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-08-19 20:24:00
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nothing makes me feel better about my race being treated as inferiors like a pair of nykes with the five finger discount
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