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St. Louis, Missouri Vs. The Police: Heaven or Hell, Duel 1! Let's rock!
By Voren 2014-08-19 07:40:23
Even if you're issued a left-handed firearm, are you required to test with both hands?
It may be a Pennsylvania, or even local thing, but one of the officers I knew who was left-handed was required to have minimum proficiency bilaterally that was not required of right-handed officers.
No we're not, strong hand only. There may be different departmental requirements, but CLEET (Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training) only requires the basic minimums.
I've heard some departments do various testing, like shooting while laying on the ground and pointing the weapon above your head (imagine standing and holding hands above head pointing firearms and shooting, same, but laying down) because that happened to a trooper on a traffic stop.
Yankies are just strange I guess.
By Voren 2014-08-19 07:44:34
White people riot over different stuff.
See: Vancouver or Montreal upon losing in the playoffs. WVU and their stupid "couch burning" crap. (Yes, yes, "lol Canada/West Virginia." Get it out of your system now, but my point's valid.)
LA riots when the Lakers win.
I believe iirc there were small riots in Boston when the Red sox won the world series.
Soccer (football if you will) riots in England and South America, the list goes on.
People aren't inherently good or bad, they're inherently *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 07:47:15
White people riot over different stuff.
See: Vancouver or Montreal upon losing in the playoffs. WVU and their stupid "couch burning" crap. (Yes, yes, "lol Canada/West Virginia." Get it out of your system now, but my point's valid.)
LA riots when the Lakers win.
I believe iirc there were small riots in Boston when the Red sox won the world series.
Soccer (football if you will) riots in England and South America, the list goes on.
People aren't inherently good or bad, they're inherently *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE
Precisely.
So I mean, in that vein, at least the people in this case are rioting about an injustice, perceived or real. Not saying there's any good reason to riot. But some are worse than others.
By fonewear 2014-08-19 07:58:28
The situation is so bad, Obama had to abruptly end his vacation and is making an announcement right now. Although the reporters have already derailed into Iraq.
I think he needs another vacation.
Also 19 pages!!!!
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 08:00:17
The situation is so bad, Obama had to abruptly end his vacation and is making an announcement right now. Although the reporters have already derailed into Iraq.
I think he needs another vacation.
I don't know about him, but I sure as hell do.
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 08:00:31
the yahoo comments about this event are the best:
Quote: So witnesses claim the cop got mad, backed his car to Brown, grabbed this little 6,4 300lb man by the neck (while sitting in his car, tried to pull him into his car (not sure what the end game was but it must have been magical), then Brown got free, ran, turned to look at the cops whole running, got shot, the officer got out of his car, shot him a few more times and then executed him in the street?
That sounds really fcking hard to imagine. Also witnesses claimed that the commotion happened after the shooting, you would think an officer trying to wrangle a 6'4 man into a car would have caused something, or at least had someone pull a camera phone out and record some of the incident and not just the aftermath. Quote: Cops come through my neighborhood grabbing people all the time. I'm gonna start rioting. Momma needs a new pair of shoes.
Get me some fresh kicks !
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 08:15:14
White people riot over different stuff.
See: Vancouver or Montreal upon losing in the playoffs. WVU and their stupid "couch burning" crap. (Yes, yes, "lol Canada/West Virginia." Get it out of your system now, but my point's valid.)
LA riots when the Lakers win.
I believe iirc there were small riots in Boston when the Red sox won the world series.
Soccer (football if you will) riots in England and South America, the list goes on.
People aren't inherently good or bad, they're inherently *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE
If I had to deal with LA traffic I would riot too.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 08:16:39
White people riot over different stuff.
See: Vancouver or Montreal upon losing in the playoffs. WVU and their stupid "couch burning" crap. (Yes, yes, "lol Canada/West Virginia." Get it out of your system now, but my point's valid.)
LA riots when the Lakers win.
I believe iirc there were small riots in Boston when the Red sox won the world series.
Soccer (football if you will) riots in England and South America, the list goes on.
People aren't inherently good or bad, they're inherently *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE
If I had to deal with LA traffic I would riot too.
No doubt.
I get enough rage going in sub-suburban Pittsburgh.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-19 08:24:01
White people riot over different stuff.
See: Vancouver or Montreal upon losing in the playoffs. WVU and their stupid "couch burning" crap. (Yes, yes, "lol Canada/West Virginia." Get it out of your system now, but my point's valid.) That's different. That isn't rioting over a death of a person in regards to racial issues.
And besides, mobs have no color.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-19 08:25:17
White people riot over different stuff.
See: Vancouver or Montreal upon losing in the playoffs. WVU and their stupid "couch burning" crap. (Yes, yes, "lol Canada/West Virginia." Get it out of your system now, but my point's valid.)
LA riots when the Lakers win.
I believe iirc there were small riots in Boston when the Red sox won the world series.
Soccer (football if you will) riots in England and South America, the list goes on.
People aren't inherently good or bad, they're inherently *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE San Antonio doesn't riot when the Spurs win. Neither did Dallas when the Mavericks won and Houston when the Rockets won.
People riot just because they are stupid.
By fonewear 2014-08-19 08:25:57
If you are colorblind can you still be a racist ?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-19 08:26:14
If you are colorblind can you still be a racist ? Only if you are white.
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By fonewear 2014-08-19 08:29:58
And on the seventh day Obama looked down upon Missouri and said "I got 36 holes of golf to play"
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-19 08:31:22
Oh, I forgot it's racist to notice when a black person is high on marijuana.
Its racist to assume that a black person is high on marijuana, not because they don't use it, but because they use it at almost exactly the same rate as whites do. Do you assume that a white person is high on marijuana? No? That's the racist part.
First, I have not assumed anything. Second, he HAD marijuana in his blood at the time he was shot. Third, he was shot by the cops, I would imagine people who are shot by the police are more likely to be on "drugs" than those who aren't.
Regardless, it's prejudice. The two are different and do not equate to each other. Racism has a very narrow definition, and every time it is used as some umbrella term to encompass racial issue it is used incorrectly. Prejudice is not racism, stereotypes are not racism. Driving down a street and locking your doors because you see two black guys who look like gangsters doesn't make you racist.
People rarely make distinctions on skin color ALONE, which as a process is completely not racist. But that doesn't fit the meme so we'll say they're racist anyways. It's pathetic.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 08:32:12
White people riot over different stuff.
See: Vancouver or Montreal upon losing in the playoffs. WVU and their stupid "couch burning" crap. (Yes, yes, "lol Canada/West Virginia." Get it out of your system now, but my point's valid.)
LA riots when the Lakers win.
I believe iirc there were small riots in Boston when the Red sox won the world series.
Soccer (football if you will) riots in England and South America, the list goes on.
People aren't inherently good or bad, they're inherently *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE San Antonio doesn't riot when the Spurs win. Neither did Dallas when the Mavericks won and Houston when the Rockets won.
People riot just because they are stupid.
If you're rioting, you're an ***. That's all there is to it.
The right to assemble does not mean the right to overturn cars, destroy property, loot, and otherwise be a nuissance or danger to others.
Nothing tarnishes a point you're trying to make or a cause you're trying to get behind quite the way that destroying private property of those not involved does.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-19 08:32:54
If you are colorblind can you still be a racist ?
By fonewear 2014-08-19 08:34:53
Peaceful protesting with a 50% chance of looting. Sounds about right.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-19 09:10:31
If you could care less about most people, then why do you care if this guy was on drugs or not? What point do you want to see justified by hoping that this kid feeds into the stereotype? I don't care about the kid or the cop or the kid's family, but since I have a sister in Missouri now, I do fear for her safety, however distant she is from St. Louis.
Now, if the report does show that the kid was on drugs and the media reports that, then maybe the looting/rioting will go away. Those are big ifs, and highly likely that even if the kid was shown to be intoxicated and aggressive towards the officer that the officer was justified in taking the kid's life, the looting/rioting will (more likely) not stop because of the people doing the looting/rioting.
Now, before you go to your stupid excuse like stereotyping, remember this: white people have been shot by black cops before, and where's the rioting/looting/notice then?
How many times? In which circumstances? Were they all unarmed? Was it because they were white like you seem to suggest it? I posted this story a while ago and noted that people would have to dig deep to find it, as it was buried by the media.
In this case, the guy who was shot was unarmed, and the cop shot him in cold blood. The worst case scenario one can possibly have in a racial dispute, and yet, nothing.
There's this one too
This guy was found not guilty, but I bet you never heard of this story before
And do you think there's a riot everytime a white cop shoots a black man? No, but why is there rioting period?
Why is there rioting now? Why was there rioting during the Zimmerman case? Why is there never any rioting when a white guy was shot by a black man? I mean, it is hard to prove any racism by the two above cases, but people assume so. Why is the reverse not true?
Because it is hard to sweep decades of segregation and the behaviors from the memories.
It will happen eventually. Those decades also left racial prejudice as a legacy on both sides which kinda consolidates the "us vs them" mentality.
On a side note, if the mobile is not based on the race then it is a common crime whatever the race of the victim is.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-19 09:13:01
Because it is hard to sweep decades of segregation and the behaviors from the memories. That would explain it if it was older people rioting, but it isn't.
It is your general thugs using this event as an excuse to riot and loot.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-08-19 09:16:41
If you're rioting, you're an ***. That's all there is to it.
but what are we gunna watch on television if they stop?
WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN TV AUDIENCE!?
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-19 09:18:47
I think of the TV Audience.
Then I click off the TV and pass out reading the Huffingpost article Fonewear gave me to read, about boring women with no sex life bashing on men for having a sex life.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 09:19:39
If you're rioting, you're an ***. That's all there is to it.
but what are we gunna watch on television if they stop?
WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN TV AUDIENCE!?
They'll watch the same garbage they always watch. Haven't we already covered this in this thread?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-08-19 09:22:29
/shrug
I like watching people get teargassed... what can I say?
and I LOVE the new sparkly exploding gas cartridges... I have got to get me some of these.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-19 09:23:57
Come this way, my good man... I have all the sparkling tear gas canisters you can get your grubby evil mitts on.
No one ever suspects a Canadian...
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-08-19 09:27:08
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »No one ever suspects a Canadian...
You are all already incarcerated in your frozen walled off prison of american capitalist imperialism!
<insert diabolical laugh here>
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-19 09:28:13
Nah, we like it here because nature keeps our beer cold.
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By volkom 2014-08-19 09:40:40
What if protests started because they didn't want to go to school
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 09:44:33
What if protests started because they didn't want to go to school
Then obviously tear gas the little *** and get them in there learning their ABCs.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-19 09:48:55
I'd be surprised if they actually learned the A B C's, much less the entire alphabet.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-19 09:54:45
Because it is hard to sweep decades of segregation and the behaviors from the memories. That would explain it if it was older people rioting, but it isn't.
It is your general thugs using this event as an excuse to riot and loot.
The thing is this is not used as an excuse, but I think it is still in a corner of people's' mind. The excuse there is the death of a young black man in not fully known circumstances.
Also, why are you saying "your general thugs"?
To recap the events going on:
It all started with this:
Quote: The fatal shooting of an unarmed black St. Louis teen Saturday has caused an outcry of anger toward the city’s police, with locals rallying in the streets and widening uproar on social media.
Eighteen-year-old Michael Brown was being placed in a police squad car, eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw told the St. Louis Dispatch, when he put his hands in the air and attempted to flee. Several shots hit him as he ran away.
St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar said Sunday that Brown struggled for the officer’s gun in the patrol car and that one shot was fired from the officer’s gun during the tussle. The officer fired multiple shots at Brown as he fled, Belmar said.
Anger flared the rest of the day after Brown’s death, as protesters screamed obscenities mixed with threats to “kill the police,” and more than 60 area police officers responded to the scene. More shots were reported, though no one was injured. Public Outcry After Police Shooting of Black St. Louis Teenager
Then this happened:
Quote: An uneasy calm settled over Ferguson, Missouri, early Tuesday after a second night of violent clashes between law enforcement and residents protesting the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager, with another demonstration planned for mid-morning.
So far, more than 50 people have been arrested in protests following the death of Michael Brown, 18, in a largely black St. Louis suburb on Saturday after what police officials said was a struggle with a gun in a squad car.
The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation into the racially charged case, and St. Louis County is also investigating the shooting.
Police have not said why Brown was in the police car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the officer fired more shots before leaving the car, police said.
Chanting "hands up, don’t shoot," protesters overnight challenged police trying to seal off the neighborhood where Brown was shot, a low-income, high-crime area east of downtown Ferguson. Some protesters said they were outraged that Brown appeared to have been shot while holding his hands up in surrender, calling the shooting the latest in a long history of police harassment of area minorities.
"They brought this on themselves," said 25-year-old Adam Burcher of Ferguson, who stood outside the Ferguson Police Department on Monday night with a sign reading "Stop Killing."
Later on Tuesday, a protest is expected outside the St. Louis County prosecutor's office in Clayton, Missouri, and officials are also expected to identify the police officer involved in the shooting. Another protest set in Missouri after riots over teen's killing
Followed by this:
Quote: Violence again erupted in the St. Louis area near the site of the police shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, according to local police, despite calls by U.S. President Barack Obama and activists for a measured response.
Early on Wednesday, a police officer shot and critically wounded a man who drew a handgun near the site of protests over the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, a St. Louis County Police Department officer said.
Police responded about an hour after midnight to reports of four or five men with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They encountered multiple suspects running, one of whom pulled a gun on an officer, who fired at him, the county officer said. The man was taken to an area hospital.
Shortly after midnight, police fired tear gas into protesters who had confronted a line of officers after a far larger crowd dispersed, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman said.
A photograph in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch showed a protester wearing a shirt with an American flag printed on it throwing a tear gas container back at the police. There were other media reports of bottles thrown at police.
The incidents followed two nights of violent protests, looting and arrests in Ferguson, the largely black St. Louis suburb where the shooting of Brown took place. Violence erupts again after killing of black Missouri teen
And now to bring you up to date:
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The Ferguson and St. Louis County police departments, which led the initial response to civil unrest in Ferguson, are both equipped with military equipment donated by the Defense Dept. Ferguson has received two vehicles, a trailer and a generator and St. Louis County has received nine utility trucks and two cargo trailers since 2012.
The equipment was received under the 1033 program which was enacted by Congress in 1992, and expanded in 1997. The program allows police forces to request and receive refurbished military equipment free of charge from the Pentagon. Police departments need only pay for shipping. Ferguson and St. Louis County police received military equipment from Pentagon
Quote: President Barack Obama on Thursday said that police should respect protesters after four nights of racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri, over the recent police killing of an unarmed black teenager.
"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," Obama said a televised remarks.
"There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protesters or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights," he said, speaking to the press from Edgartown, Massachusetts near where he is vacationing with his family.
After the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb on Saturday, dozens of protesters have been arrested and the police have used riot gear, tear gas and rubber bullets to break up protests.
There have been peaceful vigils and demonstrations as well as episodes of looting and violence.
Governor Jay Nixon on Thursday also told community members at a church in the St. Louis area that "over the next few hours we are going to be making some shifts so that people will be ... safe." He did not specify what his steps would be made. Obama calls for police to respect protesters in Ferguson, Missouri
Don't forget this one too:
Quote: Two reporters covering the shooting of an unarmed black teen by a white police officer in a St. Louis suburb say they were arrested at a McDonald’s Wednesday evening in the commercial corridor where angry protests have occurred.
Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post say they were working in the fast-food restaurant when SWAT officers came in to quickly clear the area. Both quickly tweeted about their arrests, detention and subsequent release without any charges.
Reilly tells KMOX News that officers were trying to clear out the restaurant.
“I was just packing up, and I evidently did not move quickly enough,” he says.
Reilly says an officer banged his head on the restaurant door and sarcastically apologized for it.
“None of them were wearing name badges, I don’t know why,” he says. “Over a dozen times I asked for an identity, I asked for a badge number, and all the officers standing around heard my request and ignored it.”
Reilly said he believes they were released so quickly because they were journalists. He realized during his interview with KMOX News that he was not read his Miranda Rights.
“I wasn’t even Mirandaized,” he says. “I did not even think about that until you just mentioned. I was never given…nothing…wow. I should really know that as a justice reporter. I sort of knew it by heart, but I was never given my rights, or anything like that was mentioned.”
Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson did not immediately return a cellphone message from The Associated Press seeking comment. 2 Reporters Arrested At Ferguson McDonald’s
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