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Vietnamese Flag - Please Update
Quetzalcoatl.Yeva
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By Quetzalcoatl.Yeva 2010-04-16 13:19:16
Alexander.Naraku said: Ok, here's a thought, if you don't like the flag, and find it extremely offensive....why the hell do you have it as your nationality flag here? You must really hate the american flag if you'd rather be represented by one that you despise. Just my opinion.
My server was recently merged and I found myself playing around with settings. In the process, I reconnected with players I once knew in High School over a decade ago and even those growing up back in SoCal.
It's not on par with finding old acquaintance on Facebook given how open ended it is, but it's still a find.
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By Asura.Cecellia 2010-04-16 13:21:14
If you think about it, in America, we're taught that we are our heritage first, Americans second. At least that's what public schools taught me in mass. *rolls eyes* I consider myself an American and not my mixed heritage.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-04-16 13:21:27
The point of the flag setting was not for people to choose something that corresponds to their cultural identity, but rather to represent the person's actual national affiliation to other users who may be local to them. As an example, my flag setting represented both my national residency, frequent physical location, and the fact I set up the JP side of the site, in contrast with Scragg's US one.
Using the flag setting as a cultural identity marker was not its intended function. And allowing historical flags to blur the lines would only spawn a whole new round of outrage: what would American, Korean, Chinese, or even Vietnamese users say if some someone decided to switch from this flag back to the many-rayed rising sun?
The only gray areas we're willing to negotiate on are countries who's international recognition is in dispute, such as Taiwan, which China still rejects.
Quetzalcoatl.Yeva
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By Quetzalcoatl.Yeva 2010-04-16 13:27:50
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: The point of the flag setting was not for people to choose something that corresponds to their cultural identity, but rather to represent the person's actual national affiliation to other users who may be local to them. As an example, my flag setting represented both my national residency, frequent physical location, and the fact I set up the JP side of the site, in contrast with Scragg's US one.
Using the flag setting as a cultural identity marker was not its intended function. And allowing historical flags to blur the lines would only spawn a whole new round of outrage: what would American, Korean, Chinese, or even Vietnamese users say if some someone decided to switch from this flag back to the many-rayed rising sun?
The only gray areas we're willing to negotiate on are countries who's international recognition is in dispute, such as Taiwan, which China still rejects.
Is it possible to expand the profiles further in the future? I know I'm not the only one that used the flag setting as a cultural identity. Would it be possible to have both Location and Cultural Identity/Nationality?
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By Remora.Psychoticenigma 2010-04-16 13:28:22
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: The point of the flag setting was not for people to choose something that corresponds to their cultural identity, but rather to represent the person's actual national affiliation to other users who may be local to them. As an example, my flag setting represented both my national residency, frequent physical location, and the fact I set up the JP side of the site, in contrast with Scragg's US one.
Using the flag setting as a cultural identity marker was not its intended function. And allowing historical flags to blur the lines would only spawn a whole new round of outrage: what would American, Korean, Chinese, or even Vietnamese users say if some someone decided to switch from this flag back to the many-rayed rising sun?
The only gray areas we're willing to negotiate on are countries who's international recognition is in dispute, such as Taiwan, which China still rejects.
This exactly, because if this was so, then the site would have to have flags for secular unions in countries. I.E. (Rebel Flag and Union Flag) It just doesn't work like that, I know many rednecks (I live in Texas don't forget this)
That would be offended if they weren't allowed to put the Confederate flag as their flag of origin, It just doesn't work like that.
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By Valefor.Eirinne 2010-04-16 13:29:50
Asura.Cecellia said: If you think about it, in America, we're taught that we are our heritage first, Americans second. At least that's what public schools taught me in mass. *rolls eyes* I consider myself an American and not my mixed heritage.
That's funny, I live in MA, and my children go to school here, and aren't taught anything of the sort? >.>
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-04-16 13:29:50
Siren.Kytio said: So, Sweden has this part (province, whatever) down south called "Skåne" which is technically part of Sweden but they talk like Danish, they eat Danish food and they are just not fun to deal with. They also have their own flag.
I think I speak for the rest of Sweden when I say that I'd like to be disassociated from them. Can we please have this flag added and be forced upon the inhabitants of Skåne so that they don't appear to be normal Swedish people? Thank you.
I second this!
Midgardsormr.Mikania
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By Midgardsormr.Mikania 2010-04-16 13:30:07
It would be easier if we all just use this flag... com'on..
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By Siren.Pleasureland 2010-04-16 13:30:47
Siren.Kuz said: Can we get the Flags of the Nations in FFXI added please as well :D
I live in America, but my heart belongs to Windurst.
Hey that'd be cool for vanity flags. And the 'you're a ***' avy is great :)
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-04-16 13:31:21
Quetzalcoatl.Yeva said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: The point of the flag setting was not for people to choose something that corresponds to their cultural identity, but rather to represent the person's actual national affiliation to other users who may be local to them. As an example, my flag setting represented both my national residency, frequent physical location, and the fact I set up the JP side of the site, in contrast with Scragg's US one.
Using the flag setting as a cultural identity marker was not its intended function. And allowing historical flags to blur the lines would only spawn a whole new round of outrage: what would American, Korean, Chinese, or even Vietnamese users say if some someone decided to switch from this flag back to the many-rayed rising sun?
The only gray areas we're willing to negotiate on are countries who's international recognition is in dispute, such as Taiwan, which China still rejects.
Is it possible to expand the profiles further in the future? I know I'm not the only one that used the flag setting as a cultural identity. Would it be possible to have both Location and Cultural Identity?
that would just open the door for a whole new round of arguments
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Midgardsormr.Sammitch
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By Midgardsormr.Sammitch 2010-04-16 13:34:11
Half-off-topic: can we has hover-text for flags? So many teensy-weensy flags I have never seen even in full size. Would be nice to know what they are.
ie. If it weren't for this thread I never would have known that that was the Viet flag. :P
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2010-04-16 13:34:20
Do you know what unconditional surrender means? It means that there are no guarantees given to the surrending party.
The only outcries I seem to be hearing about these issues are the immigrants living in other countries.
If you want to be so "patriotic" do so on your own soil instead of behind your safe computer and western comforts.
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By Remora.Psychoticenigma 2010-04-16 13:36:05
Midgardsormr.Mikania said: It would be easier if we all just use this flag... com'on..

Or we could just adopt a NWO flag (New World Order) It's comin' anyways from what I hear.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mikania 2010-04-16 13:38:38
Remora.Psychoticenigma said: Or we could just adopt a NWO flag (New World Order) It's comin' anyways from what I hear.
I'm game!
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By Remora.Psychoticenigma 2010-04-16 13:42:14
Quetzalcoatl.Mikania said: Remora.Psychoticenigma said: Or we could just adopt a NWO flag (New World Order) It's comin' anyways from what I hear.
I'm game!

MASS SPREAD THIS!
{Are you ready?}
Midgardsormr.Sammitch
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By Midgardsormr.Sammitch 2010-04-16 13:42:56
Sylph.Beelshamen said: The only outcries I seem to be hearing about these issues are the immigrants living in other countries.
If you want to be so "patriotic" do so on your own soil instead of behind your safe computer and western comforts. Wow... this thread really seems to be bringing out some xenophobic hostility in some people. I wasn't aware of when the internet became the sole domain of any one country which would be the only conceivable grounds for such nationalistic hostility, even as widely aimed as this.
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By Remora.Psychoticenigma 2010-04-16 13:48:56
Midgardsormr.Sammitch said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: The only outcries I seem to be hearing about these issues are the immigrants living in other countries.
If you want to be so "patriotic" do so on your own soil instead of behind your safe computer and western comforts. Wow... this thread really seems to be bringing out some xenophobic hostility in some people. I wasn't aware of when the internet became the sole domain of any one country which would be the only conceivable grounds for such nationalistic hostility, even as widely aimed as this.
It's not hostility, It's just honesty... In my honest opinion, If you're immigrating to another country (I can understand if it was forced) you should feel pride in your new home, not feel nostalgic and say something like this. A good example, let see (I know it's not exactly a perfect example but it works.) Server merge topic: A forced merger (lets go with Remora -> Leviathan) A lot of Remorans felt pride with their server, a lot felt pride in their new server. A voluntary merger, Someone who purposely left and went to another server, do they feel pride in their server? Not exactly or else they wouldn't have wanted to leave... Am I right?
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2010-04-16 13:50:46
Midgardsormr.Sammitch said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: The only outcries I seem to be hearing about these issues are the immigrants living in other countries.
If you want to be so "patriotic" do so on your own soil instead of behind your safe computer and western comforts. Wow... this thread really seems to be bringing out some xenophobic hostility in some people. I wasn't aware of when the internet became the sole domain of any one country which would be the only conceivable grounds for such nationalistic hostility, even as widely aimed as this.
2 flags representing a single country doesn't work. That said, this flag is being recognized by many American states and institutions.
However there are many more examples of flags and matters of nationalities that are still disputed to this day.
I just can't understand how OP has the sheer arrogance to advocate it on this site when that SAME flag he might be rooting for might be OFFENDING as many other people around the world.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-04-16 13:50:56
Sylph.Beelshamen said: If you want to be so "patriotic" do so on your own soil instead of behind your safe computer and western comforts.
Says the guy with a Bermuda flag connecting from a Netherlands IP.
Can't we just let it slide? If it's too big of an issue for people we could just have the flags auto-populate themselves from ARIN WhoIs lookups.
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By Asura.Dameshi 2010-04-16 13:51:49
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: If you want to be so "patriotic" do so on your own soil instead of behind your safe computer and western comforts.
Says the guy with a Bermuda flag connecting from a Netherlands IP.
Can't we just let it slide? If it's too big of an issue for people we could just have the flags auto-populate themselves from ARIN WhoIs lookups. Oh snap!
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2010-04-16 13:51:56
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: If you want to be so "patriotic" do so on your own soil instead of behind your safe computer and western comforts.
Says the guy with a Bermuda flag connecting from a Netherlands IP.
Can't we just let it slide? If it's too big of an issue for people we could just have the flags auto-populate themselves from ARIN WhoIs lookups.
Win.
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By Remora.Psychoticenigma 2010-04-16 13:52:22
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: If you want to be so "patriotic" do so on your own soil instead of behind your safe computer and western comforts.
Says the guy with a Bermuda flag connecting from a Netherlands IP.
Can't we just let it slide? If it's too big of an issue for people we could just have the flags auto-populate themselves from ARIN WhoIs lookups.
Uhm... I'm Texan, but my IP routes to Colorado sometimes... It's not always traceable...
Alexander.Naraku
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By Alexander.Naraku 2010-04-16 13:52:59
I just have to say, it aggravates me when people are overly proud of their heritage, to the extent they feel the need to separate themselves from things that are foreign to them.
Immigrants who come to America who seclude themselves into communities of their own people, paste flags of their home country all over their things, call Americans ignorant and say how much this country sucks and is going down the can, even though they left their own country for a reason.
I'm mixed race myself and I don't like siding with being one race or another. Being American doesn't mean you're white, it just means you live here, nothing else.
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By Remora.Psychoticenigma 2010-04-16 13:54:38
Alexander.Naraku said: I just have to say, it aggravates me when people are overly proud of their heritage, to the extent they feel the need to separate themselves from things that are foreign to them.
Immigrants who come to America who seclude themselves into communities of their own people, paste flags of their home country all over their things, call Americans ignorant and say how much this country sucks and is going down the can, even though they left their own country for a reason.
I'm mixed race myself and I don't like siding with being one race or another. Being American doesn't mean you're white, it just means you live here, nothing else.
Exactly, Now can't we all just get along and agree how much Britain sucks? xD
Get it... US fought... nvm /falls on deaf ears.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2010-04-16 13:56:40
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: If you want to be so "patriotic" do so on your own soil instead of behind your safe computer and western comforts.
Says the guy with a Bermuda flag connecting from a Netherlands IP.
Can't we just let it slide? If it's too big of an issue for people we could just have the flags auto-populate themselves from ARIN WhoIs lookups.
Flags don't carry much meaning for me on a site. I'm representing myself, not my country/nation.
I wish I was from Bermuda. I'd test out the famous Bermuda triangle myself. :S
Midgardsormr.Mikania
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By Midgardsormr.Mikania 2010-04-16 13:56:49
We need moar orange county.
(damn little flags ; ;)
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-04-16 13:58:39
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By Remora.Psychoticenigma 2010-04-16 13:58:43
Midgardsormr.Mikania said: We need moar orange county.
(damn little flags ; ;)
If the whole culture thing was true... I ought to be posting my flag from Mexico... After-all Didn't Texas belong to the Mexicans?
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By Remora.Psychoticenigma 2010-04-16 13:59:23
ewwww Can we atleast pick our background color? Green is a bit.... YUCK!
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By Asura.Dameshi 2010-04-16 14:01:53
/dodges incoming stones
Okay okay!
As a Vietnamese American, I would like to request for the Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag (Yellow w/3 Red stripes). The current flag is extremely offense to Vietnamese Americans.
I know this is an MMO where people try to escape reality, including realities of politics, but please consider updating the flag choices.
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