Which JSE +2 Necks Are Worth It?

MNK neck is easily S. 20 kick attack is massive. It's like 10%DA, but on separate attack, so not diminished by TA and QA. Then it's a massive damage increase for tp phase which is important on MNK. Increase kick damage directly and all damage through PDL. Increasing dDEX too. Then it's best attack capped neck for WS and while MND isn't used much, DEX is still a high WSC for Shijin, Maru Kala and Dragon kick and decent for Raging fists. Then for Dragon Kick and Tornado Kick under footwork, so two probably most used WSs for zergs, it's a bigger boost than any JSE neck for any WS, because +25 kick damage transfers directly as base damage for them.

BLU is maybe not S but easily A. Best tp neck by far, because you not only need stp, but also accuracy to support Thibron. Then it maybe doesn't have Pdl, which would make it S+, but it has +25 STR and DEX (only dnc, brd and blu have two stats at +25), which easily make it bis WS neck for pretty much everything physical.

RNG is in A, while SAM is in S. Like why? RNG is bis tp, bis snapshot and bis WS neck. SAM neck is only bis WS neck and tbh considering SAM lower attack, Pdl is less used than on RNG and PDL on RNG is also very important for ranged TP phase.

NIN is also S. +25 daken +7stp, accuracy and ranged accuracy, dex and AGI. It's an ultimate tp neck for NIN, not only adding Daken which is again like +12.5% DA on separate attack, but also supporting daken accuracy with both racc and agi, supporting tp bonus katana accuracy with acc and dex, then it's also best cap attack WS neck and especially perfect WS neck for Zesho Meppo, which uses both DEX and AGI as its WSC.

BRD neck in C is a trolling I guess.

Well everyone is going to have different opinions
But mine is the only one that really matters
Because i keep my bum extra clean
Unlike you dirty a holes
Whatever job your taking into group content
Get your +2 you cheap little hoe

My list also accounted for actual use of the jobs. MNK neck is great, but when near no content uses MNK it cannot thus be high impact for investment.

BLU only has store tp over null mech for TP.

RNG is rarely used, NIN is rarely used, BRD is just the QA

Here we go again. You tier items based on jobs meta again. Among necks OP mentioned were those for NIN BST PUP and SMN and he even mentioned he is doing stuff solo and lowman. Why would you tier necks based on job usefulness in meta then? It doesn't make sense. What makes even less sense is tiring necks based on jobs meta and putting BRD and GEO to C, COR, WAR and WHM to B, Sch on the same tier as Blm, NIN on the same tier as MNK. Also your argument that BLU neck is just 7stp or BRD neck is just 3%QA is simply amusing.

I'm not sure what you don't understand about RoI. I don't set the meta.

OP asked about which necks are worth +2 over +1 based on their usefulness for the job, not based on job usefulness to meta. Your answer is basically off topic and while being off topic it's also wrong based on your own criteria. BRD neck is amazing and BRD is on top of the meta and you put it in D, same for GEO.

Was literally just reading that comment and thinking what in vanadiel is this guy on lol..

Tell me you grew up under Soviet control without telling me you grew up under Soviet control.

The way you think everyone on this forum must post under your T&C is the dumbest ***I've seen in 20+ years on the internet. Have you ever had a psychological analysis to try and understand why you're so pedantic and anal and think the world revolves around you?

Your tier list is dogshit tho. Regardless of what you think of other people's personalities, it's not even consistent with what you claimed it's based on.

How about instead of random ad hominem attacks, you respond to the points being made.

lol Bad Take: All of those are free and easily accessible with an Asterisk on the Ambu weapon because of Pulse Weapon; you can Farm a weapon yourself, buy 5 cells to make a weapon or farm up 15,000 potpourri to outright buy one. Those upgrades are basically given so it doesn’t make any sense to NOT get them.

These JSE Necks however are expensive and some folks make Gil much faster or slower than others so if one neck is only providing a tiny performance boost, it’s worth looking at to see if you REALLY NEED IT or if you can just skip it. WHM Neck is a great example, yes the +2 is better but at the end of the day you’re only using the thing for Erase so a +1 or even a NQ will do perfectly fine.

Someone asked a question. You answered a different question noone asked and framed it as if it was an answer to OP's question. Ooooor, you're an idiot and got caught being stupid and are now desperately trying to save face. Either way, *** off idiot.

"If you spend a bunch of time farming a pulse weapon you get it for 'free'".

It's not free if you're spending time on it.

Any upgrade in XI is going to cost you time.

Whether it's time spent grinding potpourri while doing other things, time spent farming gil to buy cells or HQ gear or anything else.

Unless you're whipping out a CC to buy gil, of course.

gil isn't hard to make people, just need to be motivated. if you want to settle for a +1 that's fine, but let's not pretend 40m is a lot by any standard.

Ok I just checked and BRD has stp and PDL. I thought the QA was the augment.

Simon literally the one that derailed the thread then had a pissy fit when someone deviated from his personal ranking. Get out of your Stalin mindset.

So you made a tier list not even knowing the stats on the neck. Thank you for your insight :)

It's not about the ranking or me, I simply followed OP question and answered it, then I pointed out that your answer was off topic and gave my arguments why I think your list was flawed even when following your meta logic. I'm pretty sure I did exactly what this forum is for.

Well, you’re almost there but you’re still supporting my point: Some Necks just aren’t worth it to +2. For Ambuscade it’s almost entirely a VERY SHORT grind to get everything there each month so other than how one goes about getting the completed weapon, not +2-ing Ambu stuff is on the lazy side imo. Nothing wrong with lazy, it’s your time use it as you see fit. And unless SE nerfed it, you should be able to bazaar One Ambu Full Clear to easily purchase 5 Pulse Cells so there really isn’t an excuse there?

Odyssey is the same but in a much slower boat, especially for returning players; that’s why we don’t bark at people for not having a full set of r20+ armors.

Now we circle back to the JSE Necks because 95% of players aren’t gonna be able to make them, and they can get expensive. You mentioned the cost of time, assuming a player is playing normally to earn Gil, it’s going to take muuuuuch longer to purchase a +2 than a +1 so they’re probably getting the +1 and leaving it there unless the +2 of said neck is worth the further investment of time and money. But many of them are not worth it, at least not imo.

40m for the +2 Neck itself then another 31m to Augment it unless you have a Dyna Group. So in the case of THF Neck+1 vs +2 is 71m worth 5ACC/ATK/EVA, 3DEX/AGI, 1% TA Rate and Damage?

Mind you, that’s current market value which is MUUUUCH cheaper than it was when Dyna was fresh, this debate had much higher implications back then lol.

The juice isn’t always worth the squeeze.

The question was which ones were worth it, not what you would rank them

Wut.

Is that Asura-speak or something? No comprende.

Fixed that you you.

On Asura 4x 3m RP runs= 12m to R25

The question was specifically which one are worth (meaning worth throwing gils at it) +2 over +1 and I answered that with my first post.


Of in my opinion.

I don't know why you're pretending more than 0.1% of threads stay on the exact topic and framing of the original post. No-one forces you to react to and "correct" every post. You're really unnecessarily irritating all the time.

I disagree with your ranking, get over it.

Well, the good news is k123 disagrees with your ranking, so you're probably spot on.

You ranked them. There’s no dividing line on which ones are “worth it.”

One bazar full of every sellable available in one month’s Ambuscade? I understand the joy of sarcasm and all but that one was self explanatory lol. El humor es una cosa tonta.

All in good fun :D

+2 all my mule just keeping crafting

Simon gets the point.

If we just assume 40m for +2 and 4m for +1 it’s roughly 880m for a full set of +2 vs 88m for a full set of +1s, many of the +1s are bis for 1 or more stats (except for the +2) or offer some unique bonus/stat. I personally make about 40m a month without focusing on Gil, spending almost 2 years to upgrade 22 jobs for 1 slot is not appealing.

Obviously if you don’t play a job a ton, dumping the Gil is probably not worth it. Even though some like rdm give solid boosts to multiple stats. Although that varies per person.

Tier lists are ok but it’s an indirect answer to the question, I guess if you play all jobs equally which 3-7 would you +2 ? Of course reasons help