FFXI Endgame - What Jobs Are Used?

I dont play on Asura
There are no “Sheol C pugs” on my server

extremely solid info from you as always, Weeew^^

I would argue for RNG's Sheol:C role to be slightly larger....a naegling/kclub build RNG will compete with a kclub DRG easily for dps king on a segs run. Not saying a standard build RNG belongs in there; just saying when given the tools, they can compete.

Plot twist: OP is SE's latest FFXI intern who must figure out how to balance BST/NIN/RNG, per the fan survey from November last year.

<3 I mentioned in the footnote that this is for newer players. Doubt they are running around with a KC and a heavily geared RNG. But maybe there should be a section under the table for things like that.

Great Job Weeew!

Chart's mostly accurate.

Also agree with sentiment that support jobs of BRD, COR, and GEO need an, "Extremely used." / "Mandatory" category.

I'm sure there exists a situation somewhere, but off the top of my head I can't think of any reason you would ever choose not to have a COR in party if one was available.

I don't like this kind of thing because while I think your chart is largely accurate as to what the meta is, that doesn't mean the meta is correct and this only reinforces it.

For example NIN can cheese a ton of ambuscades with Migawari and Hybrid WS works on plenty of them as well.

SMN was the primary way people did many of the ambuscades so sure its not used much anymore because it slows things down to reset 2hrs constantly but you certainly can use smn for most of them if you wanted.

RNG can be effective on nearly any content even without K-club. Blurred Knife +1 while significantly worse does have a few upsides at least.

If you are looking to the chart as guidance when you have very little knowledge of the end game, it's okay that people might miss some niche setups and not decide to main DD ninja as their primary job. For all the cases people are mentioning, again it's a very one off thing for a single type of content. I guarantee if you look horizontally there will be many other reasons not to pick that job as your first...

Once they level up 2 or 3 more "usable jobs" they should be familiar enough with the game to make their own decisions without relying on the table.

I fundamentally disagree that there even exists "usable jobs" and therefor non-usable jobs outside of sortie and odyssey and of course in odyssey you will need multiple jobs anyways.

Like sure your group will need certain things, someone has to heal etc, you may be needed on a different job for your content depending on your group but you can make use of pretty much any job on the older content, its just not that punishing, I healed on blm in omen because I needed cards lol.

Nin is a perfectly fine primary job, it's one of the better jobs for soloing sortie and is great for a ton of ambuscades, no reason you can't use it in omen or gaes fete, heck you can solo most of those on nin. Sure when you have a group trying to do harder stuff in sortie and odyssey you'll need other jobs but I used NIN plenty for triple boss runs and was glad it was one of my options.

If you are really worried you wont be useful enough to groups it's always the same advice level cor/brd/geo/whm there's always a need for those.

I just want to say - screw smn burns. Yes, you could smn burn every content known to humans as long as it has no BP wall (SE please keep adding them kthxbai).

But just know, smn burning ambuscade makes you a pleb.

The chart is highly accurate, and I would agree it isn’t recommendable to advise a new player to start with ninja as their first job. The most accessible melee job to a newer player is easily warrior. While there is a dramatic difference between an elite warrior and a new warrior, that’s going to hold true for every job. At its baseline warrior is easier to gear for and performs at a much higher floor level than nearly any other melee, and there are almost no events people won’t take a warrior to. Get 5/5 sakpata for starters, pick up negling, get your accessories and capes and you have a more functional base line than any other dps.

As for the job that’s universally brought to everything under every circumstances, that’s be Corsair. Unlike bard you don’t need a ton of Remas to play it. Get your +7 roll neck for starters, work toward your +8 rostam, get your naegling, and build a tp bonus gun. One of the most difficult things when starting a new character as cor is actually your tp set, since it’s primarily malignance and that can take some time to farm. It also has some more expensive and time intensive pieces it needs to deal damage effectively. But everyone wants one so getting help from friends to gear it shouldn’t be too much of an ask.

While I agree with mostly everything, Sakpata is gated behind 40+ days and even doing few Ou's per week, it took me like 3 weeks to get Regal Necklace and I'm still 0/20+ on Gem, so it might be hard for new player to get it.

I was about to say that, from a certain point of view, it might be quicker to buy the +1 version of Rostam and augment it for a +7 roll, compared to getting a group of friends and farming Ou pops over and over and over and over until it finally decides to drop regal necklace.

Not like you se Ou mercs often anymore either. If we were talking about a few years ago it would be different but nowadays... eh, I feel Lanun might be a better option.

But still, OVERALL I think Melliny's suggestion stands.
All jobs require some time to gear up, all of them. WAR probably requires less gear/time/stuff than a lot of the other DDs and WAR nowadays is wanted pretty much in every type of content and you can reach the minimum level of efficiency pretty early.

I'd say the same thing about COR, required pretty much everywhere. Now COR requires a lot of gear, but if you consider the bare minimum (+7 roll, increased roll range, a couple of important JSE in its 99 version, some basic melee gear to TP with Kaja Sword) it's likely way more affordable and quicker to gear up compared to, say, BRD.

Considering you can pick up a lanun knife for about 1mil and have +7 rolls almost immediately, Cor is very easy to get into.

Will need JSE and lots of it, then TP sets. But it is immediately useful as a buffer, and the more TP/WS gear you get, the better a dd it gets.

Generally first job recommended to try out. And cors are pretty common. Now bards on the other hand..

I think you're missing about 24 million in heroism's there.

Or move to Carbuncle and you can get all the RP for free.

We've been doing it for a while.

geo def gets the nod for a cheap easy +6/7 that doesn't require rp to be useful, but cor is just in a better place overall because bubbles are nerfed so often

Do you know what "immediately" means?

Would take 2-3 runs to cap a Lanun Knife, so 3-5 days (perhaps 4 hours if you use the hourglass thingy).

Do you know what "Almost" means?

New player gets into a dynaD group that can full clear

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also new player wont have anywhere near enough hourglass credit to do b2b runs.

Blows my mind that people will spend so much on those things. I guess people just don't want to do dynamis.

Or people that get stuck into coming other jobs. "Oh, you're building SAM neck? Come whm." etc Sure you can save the random ones you get as personal drops, but that'll take forever to build up.

Pay 30 bucks to server hop to Carbuncle for RP then hop back to their OG server

Woof

What a way to indoctrinate new players that RMT is the way, eh? Im stretching that RMT link to its limits, ill admit that.

It's more like 18m Gil (even less if you want to take time hunting cheap stacks, bazaar, shouting etc).
But Nynja's general point of it being "very expensive" still stands of course.

Granted that:
1) it's not like buying Regal Necklace would cost you much less
2) you can mix and match Dyna runs (which are usually 2m if not free) AND heroism to find a compromise
3) you can go full-course dyna-runs (but it's gonna take you more time)

Even then, it's not like Regal Neck will magically drop for you on your first three runs. I mean it could, but it could take you months, and if you're a new or returning player it won't probably be "easy" to find a group willing to help you farm it that much.

So in the end a new player will need to balance the cost in gil and time and decide what they want to do.
Whatever their choice, it's likely still gonna be faster than gearing up many other jobs, if you ask me.

Barataria will get you where you need to be for 100k

The difference in +5 vs +7 is less than the difference between a X and an XI roll.

+5 roll is +5 DA, +5 roll is +20 STP
+7 roll is +7 DA, +7 roll is +28 STP

You'll live

To some extend I agree, but lanun/rostam and Regal are also duration. Duration will keep good roll for longer and with other duration items will let you full time crooked, which is significant in something like segments.

Farming regal necklace is not realistic for a new/returning player. If they get in a run and no one wants it.. but that's wishful thinking.

Buying a run is not an option on most servers so excluding that - server hopping is an option I guess.

If this player were to happen on 20m or so, they can go to the AH and walk away with +7 rolls via trip to Oboro.

Maybe someone in LS gifts them a lanun knife and 20m, look, I'm not the IRS.

And I did say "almost" immediately.