Limbus 2025
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Limbus 2025
The thing that really removes the wind from my sails is alabaster/murky matter not being guaranteed in chests. Going 3 chests in a row not hitting the bonus chest and rolling a miss on matter several times is very demoralizing. Luck dictating the pace with the speed of how you advance this gear is just needlessly cruel.
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Phoenix.Madotsuki said: » The thing that really removes the wind from my sails is alabaster/murky matter not being guaranteed in chests. Going 3 chests in a row not hitting the bonus chest and rolling a miss on matter several times is very demoralizing. Luck dictating the pace with the speed of how you advance this gear is just needlessly cruel. And it's double cruel because you're chained to your worst luck. It hurts my heart to look in my inventory and see 24 Alabaster Matter and 48 Murky Matter. How the heck do you end up with a 24-point disparity when you need both matters to level up???
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My server has weeks where alabaster ??? doesn't appear or is never reported, it's gotten a little better since they swapped to the gold indicator but it still happens.
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Phoenix.Madotsuki said: » The thing that really removes the wind from my sails is alabaster/murky matter not being guaranteed in chests. Going 3 chests in a row not hitting the bonus chest and rolling a miss on matter several times is very demoralizing. Luck dictating the pace with the speed of how you advance this gear is just needlessly cruel. Yeah... that's been killing my motivation to do it, especially when I need 4 pieces r30 and the earring. Some weeks I do get lucky and get 2 matter in a row and it feels amazing, until I look at a friend who's been doing it the same amount of time as me and he's got r10-15 on multiple pieces because he somehow gets 3-4 ranks a week.. lol The worst part is, on Sylph I can't even make gil off this anymore selling the parts/cores. Not a single one has made a sale since 5/24. I thought maybe no one's buying it in general, but they seem to sell decently often on other servers still. Basically paying SE for torture lol Go in, no matter, 1 shard, no gil and now two hours are gone. paladinepsot said: » My server has weeks where alabaster ??? doesn't appear or is never reported, it's gotten a little better since they swapped to the gold indicator but it still happens. Same. It's a bit depressing when I look at that site for the ???s and the server I'm on is the only one who hasn't reported any of them... on a Saturday night
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Phoenix.Madotsuki said: » The thing that really removes the wind from my sails is alabaster/murky matter not being guaranteed in chests. Going 3 chests in a row not hitting the bonus chest and rolling a miss on matter several times is very demoralizing. Luck dictating the pace with the speed of how you advance this gear is just needlessly cruel. For instance atm I'm 28/30 on alabaster Earring, it takes me over 45k units to upgrade and I have 9 Alabaster Matters in my mog house. Murky Ring is in a similar situation but just R25 and 2 matters in Mog house. Do you think this is any less frustrating? Well yes I guess it is less frustrating indeed. It's just... slow, painfully slow. If I ever start a new item after these (will I? Doubt it lol) I would be able to get the first levels of my new item pretty fast though.
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They are reducing the number of floors in Temenos to be more inline with apollyon next patch, if you didn't see the live stream thing.
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Sylph.Obysuca said: » The worst part is, on Sylph I can't even make gil off this anymore selling the parts/cores. Not a single one has made a sale since 5/24. I thought maybe no one's buying it in general, but they seem to sell decently often on other servers still. Basically paying SE for torture lol Go in, no matter, 1 shard, no gil and now two hours are gone. my suggestion would be to quit and play ff14 or WoW if you want to replace every piece of gear every 5-6 months with new bis.
for a starting or new player, this gear/event is likely the best path forward for them unless they are buying a v0 clear off mercs. if the event is not worth it for a nearly bis player already, simply do not do the event or only do it when bored or something
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GetHelpNerd said: » my suggestion would be to quit and play ff14 or WoW if you want to replace every piece of gear every 5-6 months with new bis. for a starting or new player, this gear/event is likely the best path forward for them unless they are buying a v0 clear off mercs. if the event is not worth it for a nearly bis player already, simply do not do the event or only do it when bored or something Buying a v0 off a merc or..... asking their LS for help with a clear.
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Most linkshells in the game are social, so the reality is you either merc or you don't get it.
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: » I'm envisioning somewhere in November-January they implement a way to speed up this grind. Just based on historical timelines. Unfortunately, they still haven't even added "bonus" ways to get Gallimaufry for Sortie (my suggestion would be that you can trade in Psyches for Gallimaufry as this is a tradeoff of points now vs the eventual time gate). Not even a monthly campaign. Other than the upcoming removal of some floors I don't expect to see adjustments to Limbus progression for a long, long time at this point.
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If people are expecting a moogle amplifier-style addition to Limbus to make obtaining matters easier..
Clearly you've not been paying attention to the fact that people - JP people even - have been complaining very loudly about Limbus being so grindy from day 1 of release when all you had were two pieces of accessories that were ok-ish at R0. What did SE do in response to these complaints? Doubled down on the Limbus grind, adding NMs you need to grind to make rewards suck slightly less. People still complained about the Limbus grind. What did SE do in response? Tripled down by adding entirely new sets of armor to grind that is not that good at R0 and only gets good at R15+ being generous. Still complaints. SE's response? Quadrupling down on Limbus grind by adding new weapons and grips all using the same currency and augmentation methods. Yeah.. definitely going to make the grind suck less. Any day now. I think I've seen a Temenos ??? once, ever. The fact these things even exist should tell you how much the content sucks, and that SE knows the content sucks. It sucks so bad they added an option to skip doing the content entirely for the filthy casuals that are happy with not doing it in exchange for a free chest once a week.
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Designed this way because Limbus technically is easy, open content for everyone, so the reward hunt has to be longer. Relic takes two weeks just to unlock body on a job. Then you have to get the shards/voids, which would probably take a month if you were rotating around. AF is a bit harder to quantify, but at 3 cards per run (no campaign), it would take 12 days (avg 1 run per day) to +3 feet armor (quickest) and 20 days to +3 a body (slowest)
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Dodik said: » It sucks so bad they added an option to skip doing the content entirely for the filthy casuals that are happy with not doing it in exchange for a free chest once a week. This was so wild to me, gave 20% of the content away as a freebie and the weapons are so bad they overshadow it.
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Ragnarok.Vargasfinio said: » Lakshmi.Buukki said: » I'm envisioning somewhere in November-January they implement a way to speed up this grind. Just based on historical timelines. Unfortunately, they still haven't even added "bonus" ways to get Gallimaufry for Sortie (my suggestion would be that you can trade in Psyches for Gallimaufry as this is a tradeoff of points now vs the eventual time gate). Not even a monthly campaign. Other than the upcoming removal of some floors I don't expect to see adjustments to Limbus progression for a long, long time at this point. I kind of see Sortie and Limbus as two distinct categories of content. Sortie is true endgame content with an Ultimate Weapon as a prize (Empyrean+2/3 is a quicker reward, but even newer players can upgrade gear pieces almost daily, and even solo, so that doesn't feel like it needs to be adjusted much). Limbus is casual/open content for all. The rewards for each are tailored for specific groups of players accordingly. For Sortie, SE might feel there is no reason to lower the requirements or make Prime weapons easier to obtain, because the hardcore players will do everything to obtain one. They are the highest power weapons in the game, so if you can even qualify for one, you will do whatever it takes for it. I recall SE did not lower requirements for any other REMA weapons for a long time (and still never lowered requirements for Aeonics, besides I guess the evasion nerf of HELMs?). When they finally do, it's years later. Prime-5 hasn't been out long enough for that to be done yet IMO. For Limbus, the reward is guaranteed with simply time investment. Skill level is ignored, gil resources is ignored, and you can obtain the best pieces of gear available just by doing the content. The only cost to you is Time (and sanity). If you are a newer player or someone who can't clear Odyssey higher Veng bosses, this content is perfect for you because you can make gradual progress at sets without having to climb the skill issue ladder. But if you're a veteran player, you will value Limbus sets less, because you likely already have the highest ranked stuff from Gaol and primes already. These sets don't move the needle so significantly that most veteran players will agree to such a long grind. In such a case, I think they may ease acquisition of this gear soon (like they did with Dynamis), otherwise you get content that's basically ignored by many people. These things have to be balanced to keep players involved, or the content ends up like a grand failure. Just my thoughts. Lakshmi.Buukki said: » gil resources is ignored You'll get more matters than you get sufficient shards. Even if you race swap so you can get the shard you'll make use of, at ~2 HQ boxes a week and 50% chance on matter on NQ box, after two weeks you'll have 28 shards and 7 of each matter, you're two shards short to make 7 jewels. The way the event is built, you are required to use the auction house to supplant shards, which means that it is required that people do the climbs just to generate shards for the sake of selling them. The whole thing is poorly thought out from top to bottom. The only redeeming qualities is that it is the only event that actually offers decent EP for your efforts, and the event is not instanced so you can work at your leisure or go afk for whatever reason and not be penalized for it.
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It's accurate because the counter argument is (SE, not me): You never have to buy shards. You can farm them for free weekly, and trade them with others. You have the option to buy shards if you want, but not a requirement, unless you want to finish faster. (To be sure, it's a terrible argument because it encourages the slog, but SE doesn't care)
Which is why I said time is your currency. You can pay gil to slightly reduce that time (which is what everyone is doing). But Even a complete brokee can only use their time and still make progress, without ever spending a penny. You're just going to hate yourself for it. Also, there's an infinite money glitch you can take advantage of, depending on your race and how popular certain shards are. The event in some cases can net you money depending on your server. Largely agree with the limbus weapon complaints, but here are a few that stand out to me:
Grip - best of the series by far. Soundly beats utu as long as you can make use of the PDL (even being attack capped enough to make use of ~1/2 of the PDL beats utu). And it's all jobs! Staff ranger is back (Prester + grip for coronach ranger.. nostalgia). Saber - very solid upgrade for cor wildfire/leaden and blu nukes. Dual wield +2/+1 a nice option. Axe/fists - nice for pet lv+. Shame they made it main hand only on axe, dedicated prime BST deserved to stack the lv+ in offhand imo. Staff - high mdmg when augmented for helix spells. Some of the 1h pdl+10% weapons are circumstantially bis offhands as well. I like that most of the good ones don't necessarily need augmenting to shine either.. this augment system is terrible. Shiva.Flowen said: » Axe/fists - nice for pet lv+. Shame they made it main hand only on axe, dedicated prime BST deserved to stack the lv+ in offhand imo. I feel like this was an oversight with Prime Axe, in that the Pet Level isn't supposed to work in the offhand (because why would you ever offhand a prime). Not sure if it was ever reported as a bug though, so it's in the game. Can't imagine they intended you to gain 7 pet levels. Not that it matters for much? BST pets are trash, and at pet attack cap, you probably would want the extra Pet PDL from Prime Axe instead of 5% Damage + Pet Level+2? No math expert. Good for Magic Accuracy though. So in regards to the Temenos ITG mob for the ???. I noticed yesterday that I was killing it and it checked ITG, but as it died you can still target/check. I did this and it showed as Easy pray. I thought i checked the wrong mob, but happened again today. Wondering if its a bug where the mob changes from ITG at death. Or maybe just intended consequence of how the system works.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: » I didnt do 10 clears on one day to hyper consume the slop. But anyways Neither did I? Or at least not that I remember. Anyway, I didn't say it wasn't a total slog to augment. But the countless pages of the same handful of people saying the same thing over and over was what my comment about crying was in reference to. We get it, we all understand how you feel. To your odyssey point, you're missing that you need 5 other well geared and dedicated people, with the same consistent schedule, for that to be remotely possible. Not that it makes the comparison any more favorable for augmenting limbus gear, but limbus being more solo friendly is a positive that shouldn't be completely ignored. Welp I went and bought two clemency pieces for whatever reason.
In about two years they might be R30 and I can start on something else. AegParm said: » Carbuncle.Nynja said: » I didnt do 10 clears on one day to hyper consume the slop. But anyways Neither did I? Or at least not that I remember. Anyway, I didn't say it wasn't a total slog to augment. But the countless pages of the same handful of people saying the same thing over and over was what my comment about crying was in reference to. We get it, we all understand how you feel. To your odyssey point, you're missing that you need 5 other well geared and dedicated people, with the same consistent schedule, for that to be remotely possible. Not that it makes the comparison any more favorable for augmenting limbus gear, but limbus being more solo friendly is a positive that shouldn't be completely ignored. This tells me youre doing limbus solo lol Carbuncle.Nynja said: » AegParm said: » Carbuncle.Nynja said: » I didnt do 10 clears on one day to hyper consume the slop. But anyways Neither did I? Or at least not that I remember. Anyway, I didn't say it wasn't a total slog to augment. But the countless pages of the same handful of people saying the same thing over and over was what my comment about crying was in reference to. We get it, we all understand how you feel. To your odyssey point, you're missing that you need 5 other well geared and dedicated people, with the same consistent schedule, for that to be remotely possible. Not that it makes the comparison any more favorable for augmenting limbus gear, but limbus being more solo friendly is a positive that shouldn't be completely ignored. This tells me youre doing limbus solo lol I tribox it, if you consider that solo. I'll take some friends on climbs if the timing works. And? |
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