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Limbus 2025
By SimonSes 2025-07-03 08:51:12
Relic important pieces:
WAR head
DRG hands
BLU legs
COR feet
DNC legs
DRK legs
BRD body
SAM body
RNG legs
NIN legs
a lot of legs and bodies which are the most expensive...
You can add DRG legs too.
By SimonSes 2025-07-03 08:52:44
So in Apollyon I'm basically down to only caring about:
SAM legs
DRG legs
DNC hands
BLU body
and eventually RNG head and maybe also legs but no time soon.
Temenos there are way more important pieces than there are for AF...
For me it's pretty much the reverse. Tons of AF are so good for macc sets, that you might want to care for a lot of them. At least if you play most of the jobs.
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By Asura.Loraiine 2025-07-03 09:50:54
white mage relic pants/feet give 167 magic evaison. thats about all im interested in for whm lol
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By K123 2025-07-03 10:01:39
Nah, an extra 5macc per piece isn't high priority for me until I have the WSD pieces.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-07-03 10:51:27
Quote: We added this as a kind of bonus feature in order to encourage players to be more active in Limbus, but we have adjusted the appearance conditions for the ??? in Temenos so that it is easier to get it to appear than before.
MPK is over
Quote: Monster behavior
In response to instances when players are unintentionally attacked by monsters, such as near warp points, we will make it so that any monsters that leave their spawn radius will be temporarily marked as non-aggressive until they return to it.
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By SimonSes 2025-07-03 10:53:05
Nah, an extra 5macc per piece isn't high priority for me until I have the WSD pieces.
It's more than 5. Just 2 examples:
- COR/DRK absorb set from 5 main slots went from 318macc to 367macc, so +49macc.
- BLU wasn't using AF at all for macc, because it was only on legs and head. Now you would use at least body, feet and head (I would leave empy gloves for -16% recast) with a net gain of around +58 macc over previous best. With option for another 11macc from AF hands if you don't need that recast from empy.
By K123 2025-07-03 11:05:05
Nah, an extra 5macc per piece isn't high priority for me until I have the WSD pieces.
It's more than 5. Just 2 examples:
- COR/DRK absorb set from 5 main slots went from 318macc to 367macc, so +49macc.
- BLU wasn't using AF at all for macc, because it was only on legs and head. Now you would use at least body, feet and head (I would leave empy gloves for -16% recast) with a net gain of around +58 macc over previous best. With option for another 11macc from AF hands if you don't need that recast from empy. Thought you were talking about mages. How often does COR get resisted/partially resisted on Absorb TP currently? Does it really even matter since people have been doing the one boss it matters for for years now without problem?
BLU I don't use in higher end content myself, where will the Macc help? I guess Feather Tickle on Mboze, but again already being beaten.
By K123 2025-07-03 11:05:55
I realise I'm contradicting myself saying I am going for WSD pieces when everything is being killed easy enough already, but most of us play DD to make big numbers and epeen parses so whatever!
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-07-03 11:24:01
Which pieces are 5 macc, exactly?
WHM AF body and feet are each 11 macc, plus MND (if applicable).
Same for RDM AF body.
Where are the 5 macc pieces?
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-07-03 11:47:15
Nah, an extra 5macc per piece isn't high priority for me until I have the WSD pieces.
It's more than 5. Just 2 examples:
- COR/DRK absorb set from 5 main slots went from 318macc to 367macc, so +49macc.
- BLU wasn't using AF at all for macc, because it was only on legs and head. Now you would use at least body, feet and head (I would leave empy gloves for -16% recast) with a net gain of around +58 macc over previous best. With option for another 11macc from AF hands if you don't need that recast from empy. Thought you were talking about mages. How often does COR get resisted/partially resisted on Absorb TP currently? Does it really even matter since people have been doing the one boss it matters for for years now without problem?
BLU I don't use in higher end content myself, where will the Macc help? I guess Feather Tickle on Mboze, but again already being beaten.
AFAIK Absorb-TP will either land or it won't, and the biggest contributors to that are Frazzle and Threnody. If either of those are off, you're unlikely to land it (you're screwed). RDM/GEO might be able to land one or two, but COR no.
For BLU, the Magic Accuracy would help for a lot of things, like Sudden Lunge is my favorite thing on BLU to do, which benefits from acc+macc and blu skill, so AF (especially body) is perfect for it. Stuff like Sweeping Gouge to land the hit plus the additional effect's Defense Down. Tenebral Crush's Defense Sown, Silent Storm's Silence, Frightful Roar in segs as a non-waking -def option on all targets (it might already land on everything, but more is better), Dream Flower/Yawn (I rarely get resist on Dream Flower, but occasionally I do get it on PLD antica, which extra macc won't help with because it's their native trait procing. Still, more is better). I guess if you are pulling mass mobs in Temenos/Apollyon and can't get off Dream Flower or Entomb for some reason because you're interrupted and don't have Aquaveil from Verve, you can set Whirl of Rage/Temporal Shift which is an AOE stunga (and they cast near-instantly), gives you a few seconds to get mobs under control to sleep them (just an idea, something I used to do back in the day).
You're right, you don't need it now, but maybe when Besieged is capped or new Limbus update for NMs? Maybe it opens up more options to have more interesting builds; the empy hands for -recast is one neat innovation, af hands have dt-6% which is helping to make your casting sets a bit tankier in general. Nothing groundbreaking, nothing new over the sun, just improvements.
By K123 2025-07-03 12:01:36
I will be making BLU AF body for WSD anyway, it's one of the best pieces of all sets IMO.
By klayy 2025-07-03 12:01:37
You're right, you don't need it now, but maybe when Besieged is capped or new Limbus update for NMs? Maybe it opens up more options to have more interesting builds; the empy hands for -recast is one neat innovation, af hands have dt-6% which is helping to make your casting sets a bit tankier in general. Nothing groundbreaking, nothing new over the sun, just improvements.
^This, pretty much. I made the COR AF head and feet for light and dark shot.. which i had no trouble landing obv. But saw they were biS for absorb TP also.. not really an issue landing them but yeah once frazzle or thren are off for even a few seconds if unnoticed, that's a TP move.
Im doing DRG AF hands and body and DRG relic legs for jumps atm kinda same principle. I use all three for jumps and jumps are my apex form of dmg. Im not missing a ton of jumps per se but down the road maybe.. or even if not, maybe it opens other possibilities for more store TP of multi hit elsewhere while maintaining acc required to hit them all the time.
Similar with COR quad shot hands or RNG relic head. I agree that WSD usually should be the prio, then maybe TP set stuff.. but there's plenty of Macc/Acc/MEva upgrades to be had. People just need to care about them. I wont argue that people should "care" about more meva on 18% movement feet that you idle in all the time... or more MEva on COR head for rolls, BRD hands (?) for songs... WHM bits for cures, buffs, whatever. But damn, quad shot, RNG shooting, DRG jumps.... the DRK AF head for absorbs had 0 macc on it prior. It has like 50-60 on it now? There's stuff but you gotta care about more than just TP and WS sets to see it.
I'd add WSD -- provided it beats nyame. But feels like all the WSD pieces, if +5 or augs happen down the road, will be automatic winnners. My main has way more jobs than my 2 alts do so at some point i'll at least make the other WSD pieces on the alts while the main is still making other pieces.
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By Valefor.Philemon 2025-07-03 12:26:14
Definitely miss enough jumps to be annoyed.
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By Dodik 2025-07-03 13:06:25
Leader changing floors should warp whole party.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-03 13:17:17
I can see reasons why they cant implement it:
1-its not an instanced event. Its a standard zone.
2-If someone in the group is engaged, do they just disengage and get ported? This could be abused to as a safety net.
inb4: "well just make the portal not work when theres a mob thats aggroed".
Id rather not waste time being forced to kill extra mobs unnecessarily because I trained 10 mobs across Temenos that I was going to sleep and pick off.
3-As Sechs covered, dead people dont get credit for kills, so everyones bar could wind up off-sync if someone died.
4-Also as Sechs said, idiots who dont put the right CL may *** everyones bar up, and the pt leader may drag people who havent finished their bar.
I'd rather they just had what I suggested earlier:
Up
Entrance
Cancel
And leave floor picking for the entrance
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By Dodik 2025-07-03 13:18:46
How do you go to the top floor to find a chest if you can't choose floors.
By K123 2025-07-03 13:29:06
Leader changing floors should warp whole party. To make it easier for bots and 6boxers? k
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By Asura.Sechs 2025-07-03 14:07:55
Leader changing floors should warp whole party. While I would personally LOVE that, it could create several issues.
Imagine someone is dead when you kill a mob, he won't get the KI item when the others do, leader could go up when one member still isn't done.
What I would love instead is an option for Pt leader to set the Party's ilevel for Limbus.
Having some people at 119 or anything that's not 130 is so annoying, and you can't even verify it, so people can lie and say they're at 130 when they're not, messing up a lot of stuff if they pull something.
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By SimonSes 2025-07-03 14:15:48
How do you go to the top floor to find a chest if you can't choose floors.
He wrote you could choose floors from entrence and you can go to entrence from every floor, so you could port to every floor from every floor with extra step of going to entrence if you really want to jump to various floors for some reason.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-03 14:37:09
How do you go to the top floor to find a chest if you can't choose floors. Why did you go to the top floor to get your temp item, then go backwards?
If your answer is "I accidentally skipped a floor now need to go back", congratulations, you've justified why the menu should be "up, entrance, cancel"
By Taint 2025-07-03 15:00:38
How do you go to the top floor to find a chest if you can't choose floors. Why did you go to the top floor to get your temp item, then go backwards?
If your answer is "I accidentally skipped a floor now need to go back", congratulations, you've justified why the menu should be "up, entrance, cancel"
Happened to me last night. Not because I missed a floor but I was ahead of the group in progress from a previous run. I finished my missing KIs, popped to the top to get my chest then went back down and rejoined the group.
By Dodik 2025-07-03 15:20:15
Why did you go to the top floor to get your temp item, then go backwards?
No, I did a full clear and the last floor I was on had no chest nearby so I went to a different top floor just for a chest.
I guess you could always end with a floor that has a nearby chest, but that means going out of order in Temenos for example.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-03 15:29:03
No, I did a full clear and the last floor I was on had no chest nearby so I went to a different top floor just for a chest. First of all, other than central temenos, which top floor doesnt have a chest near the exit portal???
But more importantly, you had to port back to the ENTRANCE to go a different segment that has a more nearby chest?
I'd rather they just had what I suggested earlier:
Up
Entrance
Cancel
And leave floor picking for the entrance
By Dodik 2025-07-03 15:32:46
First of all, other than central temenos, which segment doesnt have a box near the exit portal on the top floor???
If you do a Temenos run and finish on Central top floor, which is the order in the list, you do not have a chest at the end.
The only option is to go back to the entrance - or another central floor which are larger and is a much further way to walk - and go to another smaller top floor.
By Taint 2025-07-03 15:44:52
First of all, other than central temenos, which segment doesnt have a box near the exit portal on the top floor???
If you do a Temenos run and finish on Central top floor, which is the order in the list, you do not have a chest at the end.
The only option is to go back to the entrance - or another central floor which are larger and is a much further way to walk - and go to another smaller top floor.
C4 has a chest though, just in the middle.
By Dodik 2025-07-03 16:08:56
Yes, not nearby either entry or exit.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-03 16:13:47
Are you seriously suggesting you skipped the ghrah, gigas, moblins and meebles, RAN PAST THE CHEST ignoring the euvhis, pixies and aerns, just to pick your choice of meebles, moblins, gigas and/or ghrah near the exit for the temp item?
edit: added the NON AGGRESSIVE euvhis, forgot about them, theyre not listed in the pic.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-03 16:14:09
Are you taking the *** piss??
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-03 16:16:53
This is some Eiryl level stupidity if thats what you're suggesting.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-07-03 16:21:53
Presuming you are taking the piss here.
You then ported to the entrance From Central 4 so you could port to one of North/East/West 7 just to sneak and/or invis, run to the chest, sneak and/or invis again and run to the porter to get back to the entrance???
I didn't see a thread dedicated to new-new Limbus so here's one with some findings. I’ve continued to edit this post with new discoveries made throughout the thread.
For entrance and zone info, really the SE post is best:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/62862-June-10-2025-%28JST%29-Version-Update?p=667175&viewfull=1#post667175
Obtaining the Key Items / Units
Kill mobs to fill the bar in the upper left. Seems to take 6-15+ mobs per floor, this increases based on the chosen mob level and number of people in your party. You continue to get units as long as you want to sit there and keep killing and refill the bar, but at half the rate. Whether this is comparable to the units gained by continuing to move floors and finishing the event to get the chest bonus is up a function of your personal kill speed and group size.
Each Temporary KI looks like "Apollyon SE #1 data", and you get 1 per floor. You keep them until you open a chest and then they are all lost. You get a KI for filling up the bar at the top of the screen on each floor. I didn't count but I think it requires like 10 mobs per floor (this apparently varies by level choice). Once you get a KI, you should get to keep it even if you leave Limbus. You would lose any progress on any un-completed floors, but this is like 6-10 kills so no biggie.
You can enter any section / floor at any time. You don't need to go in any type of order or "climb" if you're missing one of the upper KIs from a run that got interrupted.
Once you choose a level (119-130), I think you need to keep that level choice until you open a chest. If you adjust it after getting some KIs, you might lose them. The NPC dialogue isn't too clear on this.
There were no direct drops from mobs, of any kind.
Mob Details
All the mobs seem to have pretty serious DT, probably 50% (confirm by Brixy as 50%, per Air Knife expected enspell dmg). But they aren't hard. They hit like 130s. AoE/Cleaving is extremely nerfed.
Pulling mobs is weird. Any initial spell cast before initial aggro / dynamic level adjustment may land, but will not remain on the mob. You will not see a message to reflect this.
If you pull with silence (while it's un-aggroed), it appears the silence instantly wears without any message, likely due to the dynamic-level adjustment which happens as soon as you aggro (credit to Moonlightagb for this theory, I think it's correct). Silencing twice is probably needed. This doesn't matter much in a party, but if you're solo and mob density is high this effect could be pretty annoying. Other examples later verified by others: If you pull with Immanence, the skill chain will not complete. If you pull with Dia, you can sleep right after.
Mob respawn is on the order of a few minutes but I was pretty lonely this morning. I had one floor with a couple groups and it felt faster, might be dynamic spawn rate.
Aside from the initial-aggro weirdness, everything can be debuffed and slept as expected. Sneak/invis work fine, but true aggro mobs remain like Imps and such.
Getting the goods
In order for the chest to open, you need to finish all of the zone, not just one section. So Apollyon zone is 18 KIs, Temenos zone should be 25 KIs. If the chest says "it won't open", you need more KIs. The chests are located at the exit of each "top floor" in each section. However, you can only open a chest once you have finished all the sections (NW,NE,SW,SE,etc).
After getting all KIs in Apollyon, each character had earned:
About 4000 units from killing mobs and climbing floors
3000 units from finding a shiny ??? on the ground and clicking it
3000 units (one character in the party got 5000 units, no idea why) directly from the chest
So each character of a 6-person party left a ~90 minute run with 10-12k units. EP was ~15k/hr, but this is ML50s fighting level 130s. Maybe it's better if you're lower.
My initial limit on Apollyon units was 30,000. After I opened the chest, that increased to 33,000. It looks to increase 3000 more with each chest open.
Apollyon Units are used to upgrade AF pieces to +4.
Temenos Units are used to upgrade relic pieces to +4.
The upgrade costs are:
Head: 20k units
Body: 30k units
Hands: 15k units
Legs: 25k units
Feet: 10k units
Once I got to 10k units, the furnace did allow me to trade a foot piece, though I didn't choose to complete the process. Trading any other slot did nothing.
I did get the title Apollyon Razer, which I think is just the same as the old title lol
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