Limbus 2025
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Limbus 2025
There are def ppl botting in temenos. I ran past at least 3 in central and eastern. And I def stop and scanfor ???s cuz whoever said that is right... if it pops anywhere its more than likely gonna be in a place ppl are botting. The last two apollyon ???s (including the one today) are 100% in places ppl bot.
klayy said: » if it pops anywhere its more than likely gonna be in a place ppl are botting I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying there would be more teme reports than what we've had so far. I've personally picked up the ??? in aby more times than there have been total teme reports in this thread across all servers. Two days after new limbus was released is when SE attempted to fix Temenos, as well as other tweaks such as reducing number of kills. Two days is not nearly enough time for SE's skeleton crew to receive a bug report, reproduce the bug, attempt a solid fix, and verify the bug was truly fixed in all cases. That is only enough time for a quick and dirty attempt at fixing the bug and barely any time to verify it's actually fixed.
It is safest to assume Temenos is bugged at this point and I would ignore it at the moment for ??? theorycrafting. I fully expect next month's or the month after's patch notes to comment on them trying to fix Temenos ??? again. Temenos is either bugged or functions completely differently from Apollyon. As a random example, SE attempted to fix their skillup bug they introduced, where being /NIN casting utsusemi would give you ninjitsu skill ups. The day after SE implemented their fix for the bug, I got another /NIN ninjitsu skillup, so just because SE says they fixed their bug absolutely does not mean they fixed it.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: » That implies any mob has a chance to respawn as ITS opposed to one being selected at random when its due. Think its fairly likely that once the ??? is gone, something would need to die to then respawn the ITG. Feel like that's how its worked in the past and a mob merely becoming ITG without any player action would leave it suspectible to being something off path or out of the way that basically never gets killed intentionally in tem. I'll admit to giving SE some benefit of the doubt... which considering the things absolutely appears to bew bugged.. maybe I shouldnt lo. But yeah on Asura we're still at 2 temenos ??? sightings. Apolly is however many days this content has been live divided by 3. It's appeared within hours every time. So 10? klayy said: » Think its fairly likely that once the ??? is gone, something would need to die to then respawn the ITG. Feel like that's how its worked in the past and a mob merely becoming ITG without any player action would leave it suspectible to being something off path or out of the way that basically never gets killed intentionally in tem. Using Teme N floor 1 as an example: Orcs are outside the entrance Yags are outside the exit Quads and Evil Weapons are off the beaten path (edit: I mixed up Yags and Quads here) No ones killing Quads or Weapons there. Obviously, thats one floor out of 25, but the premise is mostly the same for the entire area. This doesnt hold true for Apy. You can open the dat for yourself and see how every mob type is grouped together, despite not having distinct groups in the field like temenos. \SquareEnix\FINAL FANTASY XI\ROM3\3\20.dat 7 wights 7 ghosts 7 doomed 7 corse This is first floor of SE, yet all those mobs are mixed all over the place across their respective maps. Ergo, under your theory, presuming its based on something being killed and respawning ITG, then its more likely to pop up in tem vs apy. Of course, the zone being broken, and I dont disagree that its broken, throws a huge wrench into everything.
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Im saying the same mobs are being killed every time in tem. N1 for example.. ther's 4 rooms orcs first yags at the portal up... Quadavs beyond the orcs... and i dont even know what's in the other room lol. Everyone is killing at the start or the end and almost nothing in between.. cept for bots. No one kills gigas/ghrahs/ dolls/golems or whatever else is in the big square room on the 2nd floor. Apolly is open enough that you can run along one side or the other or maybe even right down the middle -- without sneak or invis crucially -- aggro some stuff, kill it. Think there's more variety in the pathing. I dont target one particular room or mob on apolly. I just aggro a few things and kill whatever ends up chasing me. I'll try avoid slimes or dragons or adamantoises but if I get them, I get them. Esp the adamantoises which i cant sleep
Thats what I mean though. You said "something needs to die to respawn ITG". If you're suggesting that ANY mob can respawn ITG, then tem would be more noticeable because its generally the same subset of mobs being killed in temenos: the ones closest to the entrance or exit of the floor.
The suggestion that "its more likely to spawn around botters" would further imply that ANY mob has a chance to respawn ITG, which would only reinforce the notion that tem ITG and ??? would be more noticable. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding something.
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The ??? in Temenos was up today in Central 1F. Right on the ramp to the teleporter off the floor.
Was glad to hear it'd been found. I went to get my "weekly" points from it. "Nothing out of the ordinary." Were the ???s just one time deals? Like, what gives? Because I got my points out of them the first week before the maintenance, and I coulda swore I got points out of the Apollyon ??? again later on But yeah, like, this is the second time I've touched a ??? in Temenos, and got nada. What gives? I feel like even a handful of botters killing stuff 24/7 is going to have higher odds of the rest of us doing it. I saw one group in the exact same spot tonight as I did last night. I cant say they never moved bc im not stalking them lol. But reasonable chance they stay there for hrs. Again they arent moving. How much of a climber's time is spent climbing and not killing? wouldnt shock me in the slightest if bots killed more mobs in there than actual players. Tem is almost certainly bugged so its a moot point. But if its actually around and none of us are finding it at the start or end... its either spawned on a bot off path or its just getting glitched out imo. I mean why wouldnt you look around a botter for a ???
What Im saying is I dont believe the ??? despawns and some random mob just becomes ITG. Like I said, that runs the risk of some random ghrah in a huge central floor or some unseelie that basically no one is dumb enough to kill on purpose would just be it. So we all start killing stuff and eventually one of them lotto pops the ITG. Bahamut.Calmwind said: » The ??? in Temenos was up today in Central 1F. Right on the ramp to the teleporter off the floor. Was glad to hear it'd been found. I went to get my "weekly" points from it. "Nothing out of the ordinary." Were the ???s just one time deals? Like, what gives? Because I got my points out of them the first week before the maintenance, and I coulda swore I got points out of the Apollyon ??? again later on But yeah, like, this is the second time I've touched a ??? in Temenos, and got nada. What gives? JP players are reporting that for the Tenemos ??? on Baha that you are only able to get it if you've never touched a ??? in Tenemos previously which matches with your experience too. That might be intended or a new bug, who knows. At this point, Tenemos doesn't seem to follow any reliable logic. The bot parties are camping in the middle of safe rooms only, mostly looking gigas
Bahamut.Calmwind said: » The ??? in Temenos was up today in Central 1F. Right on the ramp to the teleporter off the floor. Was glad to hear it'd been found. I went to get my "weekly" points from it. "Nothing out of the ordinary." Were the ???s just one time deals? Like, what gives? Because I got my points out of them the first week before the maintenance, and I coulda swore I got points out of the Apollyon ??? again later on But yeah, like, this is the second time I've touched a ??? in Temenos, and got nada. What gives? Maybe you have to do a certain amount of kills before you can use the ???, so it isn't just a weekly handout?
My mules grabbed 3 ???s this week and didn't kill a single mob in Apollyon. (They did kill mobs the first week)
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