Shami's Trove

The bonanza weapons arent that great though. A few of them have niche use-cases, but thats about it. I think after the initial novelty wore off, people started thinking rationally about them.

If you offered up a bonanza weapon vs a Aegis, Death Penalty, Idris, Epeo, Masa, etc, most people are taking the REM weapon, because like you said "bonanza weapons are only marginally important to endgame". The motivation to pick the the bonanza weapon is the fact theres only one source for it, and its tied to a lottery.

I've just gone with two orbs to palb because it was significantly faster. HP to palb and run a couple steps or tele-wtv and spend 7-10 min running through promy to get to the spire?


Though, Spire of Mea has a 6 mil item on Asura that sells decently. Good way to crash that price.

In the freshly picked livestream 2 weeks ago they talked about shami's trove, and the auto-translate said "Why is the event so short? because there are great treasures inside. And mentioned the exemplary points, and bayld crystal and cat's eye"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RUWIClcKWc - timestamp: ~ 1:47:28

never mind that you just need to edit 2 bytes of a packet to have it display any item in the message, pixel perfect. bonus points if you also edit the incoming item packet so it shows up in inventory. still a 5 min project for someone who knows a bit about windower/ashita apis

if someone wants to dupe people there's not really any form of verification that's thoroughly accurate

personally, i have no problem believing that cats eye, dense cluster, and 10k dyna pieces are extremely rare drops from this, campaign festa, and macrocosmic orb event

i also don't think it's worth trying to farm any of these sources for them, because there's nothing stopping SE giving rates lower than the powerball. if you only see it as worth trying with the 10k pieces, it's not really worth trying

Yeah same.

Though perhaps the more annoying fights to get to might have a chance of better drops? Maybe no difference at all since the special rewards aren't direct drops from the fight, but who knows, maybe it does track which fight you did for purposes of loading the treasure pool for the chests near Shami. I dunno that I think it's likely, but can't say with confidence without any data.

I think they could have expanded drop 2 and make it more meaningful. My limited sample size is a 3% drop rate for pretty shitty rewards (for the time invested). I'm sure Eye/Cluster/etc exist as a reward for this though, I'm not doubting it.

SE is giving the EP granted a very high value. Its one of their few carrots. Vanabout gave 10k + another 10+k as a possible platinum reward, and the time investment for 1200 plaudits is nowhere near the time invested to do a phobos orb fight. Peach Power is 10k per flan, but you can only go once per day, and getting a box is kinda annoying.

Is page 2 too soon to talk about how Catseye isn't even a reward?

Congratulations on your Catseye! Please look forward to the week or so of playtime you will spend farming the rest of the weapon. Lucky for you, HTMB campaign is this^ month...

20 runs only picking the brown chest (left).
6x Whiteshell
6x 1 Byne
3x O.Bronze
4x Alexanderite
1x Heavy Metal Pouch (13 plates)

Only Riddlercat could have this evil idea of adding single currency in the content reward pool.

It is almost the same feeling of adding random NQ cursed items to AMAN Trove

You're not wrong. And I think a LOT of people here do not appreciate that this chunk of EP really is a very tempting carrot to a large portion of the player base who don't obsess about this stuff to the same degree we do. And I'm talking a lot of players who would not even succeed at Peach Power, so stuff like the bonus EP from things like Besieged, Vanabout, and Shami's Trove are pretty appealing to them.

I'm in an RPG discord that has several new or returning XI players, not at all hardcore FFXIers. They're thrilled about stuff like EP bonuses. Couple people yesterday were pretty excited to get Eschad Rings upon login. We sometimes forget that there are a lot of players out there who aren't like the typical forum posters lol.

BIG

Even with the (very slim) chance of a huge reward like that I just can't bring myself to do this event. It's so tedious

I've just come back myself - mastered THF yesterday. This is taking me to ML 10 with minimal effort and i had 1500 seals stored. So yeah, noobs and returners like me are happy.

Not exactly, I could be wrong on this but anyways, AMAN preloads the rewards and mimic into each chest randomly. There is no way of narrowing it down to get better odds at specific drops.

Yes and no?

You do have the choice of Mars or Venus orb so it's possible to alter your rewards, provided you actually open the terminal chest.

*edit
I think you mean that noise/thud/LT/rainbow are preloaded. I think the rewards are drawn when you open the terminal chest.

I always thought the chests/mimic got loaded up on entry randomly of course, and then it was based on your luck to get anything or that first mimic right out the gate. But the rewards are already there just waiting on you to make the right/random enough selections to get anything or nothing, I forgot about thuds, but even thuds seems random up on entry, could get loud thus on first chest. Even then though the thud I think is preloaded, just a matter of picking the right one on the instant.

It would be kinda wild to learn that each individual chest in AMEN has a specific pool to draw from, and the thuds and mimics are a "second roll" from the initial load afterwards. Could even make attempting to narrow down AMAN more possible? Aka always pick X chest first ups your odds for X items? Someone would have to sacrifice a ton of attempts to try to narrow down if that's a thing or not though.

Edit: again just to be clear this is all speculation, I have no concrete evidence to support my crazy ideas on this.

If I could have any question answered about trove, it would be about belligerent bang. It seems to randomly show up sometime between the 3rd and 5th turn, but it's not guaranteed. There also doesn't seem to be any obvious conditions to be met to see it.

But you're right, it's all speculation until a developer offers up the actual factual.

BwahHa, love it. Added to my lexicon.
Forgot about this also! Good point!
I've been away for about a year, and I am a stoner, so I appreciate y'all's patience when I forget some basics.
Edit:
Yup this could also be the test. I think to be able to narrow it down, as I mentioned, the only way to confirm pick one specific NQ chest only then the middle, over and over would be the only way to confirm this theory, then, someone else would have to sacrifice a a different chest pick and end many times over also, in order to attempt to see if it narrows down, or is just truly random.

We need a more extreme version of trove for all of us real gamblers...

For 50 silver vouchers you can buy a Pluto Orb. You trade it to the same BCs, but with the following modifications:

Instead of there always being 1 mimic, now there are always 9 mimics.

The one chest that is not a mimic rewards a deafening thud, which is good for a top tier bonanza prize. If this chest is correctly selected, all of the mimics are replaced by various gold and rainbow chests. The terminal chest always rewards loud thud.

I love the bonanza weapons, I don't need more gil or anything else really from trove so that would be the easiest choice to make, the main losers would be all the new/returning players who would otherwise get free pulse weapons from me.

This level of a gamble should definitely, if you win, amount to nothing but some kupons, a variety of them, but good kupons to select a reward that you want, instead of full rando for current meta gear also, stuff like a muffin or seg type of kupon, or something like, oh daaaayum, well here is a kupon for a full 50x worth of an empy items needed, etc....

Those odds are still too good. Everyone would pick this.

50 silver vouchers for a 10% chance to get 4-7 LT boxes
vs
10 silver vouchers for a ~30% (?) chance to get 1 LR box, sometimes 2, very rarely 3.

Without doing a deep dive into the numbers, that pluto orb would be the way to go, would it not?

30% is based on my own experience. I've used 155 Venus Orbs, I've opened 50 LT boxes over 46 successful runs.

You will remember that you said this the next time you farm something with a 10% drop rate and it takes you 50 kills...

So I did this for fun waiting on a new game day, this took me like 20 minutes between all the travel and figuring out how the BC works. You cant even just go in and OHKO the fight, you have to build up 10k points. No wonder the sash is 6 mil.

And from a whooping sample size of 1 (6 chars), but no slot 2 drops.

What's funny is it's only 6m on Asura. There's one for sale on Bahamut for 80k. Just do a server hop...

I dont care about the sash, but if I'm gonna drag my *** up to the promies, I'm gonna take a second to find out which one has the best potential ROTI.

Figured I might as well track what comes out of each box as I run it, here's my data so far. 25 50 75 runs, three characters, each consistently choosing the same box. I'll come back and edit this later rather than making further comments when I have more runs recorded.

Brown box (Shami's Chest)
Whiteshell: 27 (36%)
Bronzepiece: 21 (28%)
Byne Bill: 16 (21.33%)
Alexandrite: 11 (14.66%)

BONUS ITEMS (4%)
Pluton Coffer (1)
Beitetsu Coffer (1)
Boulder Coffer (1)

Gold box (Shami's Coffer)
Whiteshell: 27 (36%)
Bronzepiece: 15 (20%)
Byne Bill: 16 (21.33%)
Alexandrite: 17 (22.66%)

BONUS ITEMS (5.33%)
Pluton Coffer (2)
Beitetsu Coffer (1)
Boulder Coffer (1)

Red box (Shami's Crate)
Whiteshell: 22 (29.33%)
Bronzepiece: 19 (25.33%)
Byne Bill: 21 (28%)
Alexandrite: 13 (17.33%)

BONUS ITEMS (5.33%)
Silverpiece (1)
Jadeshell (1)
Pluton Coffer (1)
Heavy Metal Pouch (1)


It's weird that there's such a bias toward whiteshells, that has to be an anomaly, hopefully a larger sample set will smooth that out (or confirm that two boxes really do spit out whiteshells nearly half over a third of the time, that would be fun too.)

Shouldn't be surprising that pluton coffers, being the least worthwhile of the bonus prizes, seem to be the most common.

You playing again??? Enjoy!