Null Gear For Frazzle/Distract 3 Or...

Who is we? How does the community participate in the We discussion? Or is limited to You and SpicyRyan and a few others? Did you guys poll the community to see what they like? So far I have gotten 100% feedback on the updates, outside, of course, of FFXI elderly-baby-crying wizards. That's why I didn't immediately removed them - instead made them collapsible to accommodate.

While I made jokes about people throwing tantrum, I have incorporated their opinions to some degree because I thought that this was true:





May the True King Marcus Byrthus Aurelius return and set us free once again!

Make BG-Wiki Free Again (MBGWFA) - MBUHGEEOOFA!

(Posted from Godfry on his TruthSocial account.)

Hello friend,

Foxfire is right on all accounts, the info you were putting on that page does not belong there. Furthermore, proper etiquette is to make any content draft under your personal userpage, and only move it to mainspace pages once it's reasonably complete - this is to avoid polluting namespace pages with a gazillion tiny edits. Basically, do the chaotic work in an userpage, then copy over to mainspace page once you're done.

Please come to the bgwiki discord if you want more advice, guidance, or istructions on how to proceed, from the bgwiki team themselves.

EDIT: it also feels this is totally and royally off topic in this topic. Wasn't this about Null gear?

Hello there fellow Female (maybe?) Wizard.

Changes have been made to Sandbox before pushed to main pages. I do apologize for pushing content to the main pages too fast.

As a member of the Wizardry, I do like to ask for the higher Echelon to be honest about their conduct. I had direct permission from King Byrth to update the pages. Since then, I have been directly engaged with current active FFXI players (not the ones who quit) trying to incorporate their opinion and streamline how information is distributed in order to have consistency across pages. I'd like to see proof that Positron and SpicyRyan consulted anybody before reverting and locking the pages.

Also, I'd like to know if SpicyRyan and Positron can singlehandedly reverse other Wizard's effort without consulting the community, while also bypassing a King decree. If that's the case, I suggest we please update the banner:



Lastly, I have been told by The King himself to update the pages. Was he bluffing? God forbid, I hope he was not joking. I hope he was serious when he said that "wikis should reflect the opinions of those who invest the time in editing them". Please read bellow the full King's Decree:


May the True King Marcus Byrthus Aurelius return and set us free once again!

Make BG-Wiki Free Again (MBGWFA) - MBUHGEEOOFA!

(Posted from Godfry on his TruthSocial account.)

what in the jesus syphilis *** is going on here

I am extremely confused at what you're saying. Are you under the influence? Is it better if we have another conversation later? I am not making fun of you, these are real questions.

Byrth is a Certified Cool Dude^TM, but he is not the king of the wiki anymore than I am Grand Chancellor of Ankh-Morpork - much to the relief of everyone.

Positron and Foxfire are both current staff of bgwiki, whether they're admins or editors. Spicy is former staff and still a very active user on the wiki, and while he is a controversial figure he correctly predicted that this kind of edit you made is not compatible with the style and design choices that the current bgwiki staff prefer, and that continuing to change a spell page in that way would have lead to a protect - which promptly arrived because bgwiki staff deemed it necessary, not because Spicy and Posi are in cahoots (believe me, they really are not).

I renew my invitation to come to the bgwiki discord so you can get better advice on how to publish this info on bgwiki. Using the sandbox is a great start, but there's more to know.

(as a side note do note that such information is normally for spell category pages such as https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Category:Dia_Spell, rather than individual spell pages)

Please put your sandboxes on your userpage, or subpages of your userpage, rather than in the main namespace. I have not moved them yet because I want to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your intention to contribute to the wiki. I have no intention of pushing people away who actually want to contribute, but we really can't have gear tables on individual spell pages. Maintaining the wiki is hard enough without perishable and/or editorial content.

Please feel free to add gear sets to either the spells' talk pages, or a dedicated Guide page. We have those for this specific purpose.

As for the tables you made for showing the potency of the spells, those are totally fine, but please make sure they are compatible with dark mode--this can generally be accomplished by utilizing the various CSS classes we've already defined for tables; I've been working on making them all dark mode compatible slowly over the last 2 years or so.

We were talking about Null gear, Frazzle III and Distract III, and then suddenly, we were here.

Letter of Resignation


Well, as sad as this is, it answered my question. It's not what the community, but the staff, Spicy and Positron, think.

I'm not saying that the final result should have had the gearsets there, but SpicyRyan being able to come back, redo someone's effort and locking the pages right after, without the participation of the community is a major red flag. At least I put myself out here, for suggestions, insults and criticism. I tried to incorporate people's opinion (every suggestion was included to some degree) because I respect the banner:



But I am glad the Wizard Establishment, also known as the swamp, had the decency to update the banner to reflect the staff wishes, not the community.



Long live The One True King Marcus Byrthus Aurelius, who used to listen to us all.
Make BG-Wiki Free Again (MBGWFA) - MBUHGEEOOFA!

(Posted from Godfry on his TruthSocial account.)

what the absolute blue *** happened to the Chapeau Mafia?

we just gonna turn into haters and whiners like some 2006-era DRK thread?

Spicy is not a current staff member, and he did not lock the page as he does not have the ability to do so.

The page was locked by Positron after internal discussion between bgwiki staff members, which includes a multitude of people, and the lock was done in good faith to prevent an edit war and because the changes you were making do not belong where you were putting them. We appreciate the intention and the effort, but it was misplaced: the standard operating procedure when this happens is to revert and lock the edits, until a conversation can be had.

"The community" is not the judge of quality of how to edit bgwiki - we are. Spell pages should not contain information that needs regular maintenance, which spellsets are. That stuff goes somewhere else.

I tried approaching you in good faith, and we gave you a few pointers on how to best proceed, but you seem to want to focusing on something else, so I am no longer going to respond. If you're serious about making good quality contributions* then please come to discord and ask in there. Otherwise have a nice day.

*"good quality contributions" as defined by bgwiki team, not by byrth or some of your friends who play the game.

Statement from a Former Wizard - Godfryus the Grey



Weird flex, coming from a staff of a website built by the community to downplay the role of the community so blatantly.

But my name is Maximus Godfryus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the Noobs, General of the One Marble Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor Marcus Byrthus Aurelius. Father to a murdered page, husband to a murdered template. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.


Long live The One True King Marcus Byrthus Aurelius, who used to listen to us all.
Make BG-Wiki Free Again (MBGWFA) - MBUHGEEOOFA!

(Posted from Godfry on his TruthSocial account.)

Roleplayers, man

Imagine getting so butthurt over your misplaced, bad sets being called what they are that you start actual conspiracyposting about a guy that lives so rent free in your head despite having nothing to do with the entire process.

Just follow the style guide and learn how to write, dude.

The game within the game.

A wild Spicyryan appears

It's been completely forgotten in the argument, but the Poison and Poison II pages got caught up in the storm of editing too. I haven't checked on other spells.

I agree that all the gear stuff had no place on a spell page, but I maintain that it would be worthwhile to add to each spell's description exactly what Quick Draw and Enfeebling Magic Effect +x do, to the extent that it's known or been measured. On that, I like the Song way of doing it with a simple table, compared to the Geomancy way of saying what certain specific items do.

Of course, if it's just a linear effect, a simple sentence would do (i.e. "Enfeebling Magic Effect +1 = DOT +1" or similar).

It's not linear, depends on how much your base potency is, and there are dozens of different values you could have for "Enfeebling magic effect+ gear" so the table would be about 70 columns long.

Imagine making your very first post an insult in a discussion you have nothing to contribute to. But let me dissect your post to show you how you are 100% wrong.



There was back-and-forth do-redo updates to the spell page from SpicyRyan (who quit, but felt the need to roll back the updates without even consulting Positron).


I included Positron in the discussion because Positron made the last reverse call before locking the page.

So which conspiracypost are you talking about? What I said was what actually happened.



What made you conclude I was butthurt? I have agreed with the reason as to why they do not want the spell page to have sets.



By the way, their argument is an effort one - not an user experience one. I created a process that was modular and was working on automating the updates so that people could simply hide the parts of the spell page with a single click (that's why Spicyryan was able to remove the gearsets without damaging the rest of the pages).



I don't know any of these people. What made you think they live rent-free in my head?


Furthermore, I did join the discord and saw that I could solve a whole lot of the automation problems they are currently struggling with. But the fact that decisions are made by the staff, and not the community, threw me off. User experience is enhanced by engaging with the community and I think it's a mistake for the decisions on a community-backed website to be made by just a few people.







Long live The One True King Marcus Byrthus Aurelius, who used to listen to us all.
Make BG-Wiki Free Again (MBGWFA) - MBUHGEEOOFA!

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1) I think Null Shawl is good here

2) I think Ob sash still pulls ahead here

3) I think Duelist's Torque is superior here as well

These questions were already answered accurately like...2 posts after he asked them but...the items aren't really comparable for RDM.

You're comparing a macc piece with:
1.) a potency piece
2.) a duration piece
3.) a potency piece

So...if (for some reason I cannot possibly fathom) you want more macc instead of a stronger/longer spell, then...yeah they could be considered better.

The fact is, unfortunately for some people, RDM enfeebling is much too complicated for one-size-fits-all answers of what's "BiS".