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March 2021 Version Update
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1410
By Fenrir.Melphina 2021-03-11 10:02:15
Quote: I wouldn't say it's "overthinking" when it takes about a lot of grinding to cap one piece, let alone 5. And you have to throw away your piece and do it all over again if you later change your mind. Discussing the set pros and cons up front is kind of a smart thing to do to make sure you're happy with the decision you make for the time invested, especially when there's similar sets that have overlapping roles
In addition to that, simply "adding the stat that you may not have access to" doesn't necessarily even mean you get a better piece. I already mentioned a couple pages back that the path B augments don't always correlate to better weaponskill gear in every case. The nyame set has very low dex values and below average strength values, so weaponskills that have powerful dex or strength modifiers and especially ones that scale well with TP may be worse off with the path B augment than a job specific piece because the gains you get from weaponskill damage are offset by the loss of stat mods. The same is true for multi hit weaponskills with low stat mods because they don't benefit much from weaponskill damage at all. Rudra's storm is the example I used because it's the one I'm most familiar with, but there are plenty of others. For some jobs and some weaponskills path B is going to be an upgrade, but for others it's a downgrade. Understanding why that would be the case is important, and knowing these things before you augment a piece is kind of smart because as you said... it's a serious grind to rank these pieces up. It's pertinent to plan ahead rather than diving right in haphazardly.
By Sylph.Brahmsz 2021-03-11 10:26:35
Break up your damn paragraphs ffs.
By RadialArcana 2021-03-11 10:37:45
Break up your damn paragraphs ffs.
"that minor thing you just did, it annoyed me to much and I'm so angry!"
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Lakshmi.Buukki
Server: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-03-11 10:44:52
Are you that guy in the office that requires double spaces after the periods of each sentence?
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Asura.Sechs
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 10350
By Asura.Sechs 2021-03-11 10:50:59
The nyame set has very low dex values and below average strength values, so weaponskills that have powerful dex or strength modifiers and especially ones that scale well with TP may be worse off with the path B augment than a job specific piece DEX sure, STR not so much. STR values on Nyame are not the top but are not super low either, it's okaysh.
Plus you need to consider you don't get a WSD10 option for every slot and every job.
On mage jobs you get none, minus the Body for BRD and Head/Hands for RDM (6% value though).
Well mage jobs get 6% from Jhakri hands I suppose.
Then each job (except THF) gets two WSD10 option in different slots, so Nyame still means somethign if anything for the other 3 slots, at least for WSs that benefit a lot from WSD of course, not considering the others.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2021-03-11 10:53:46
Break up your damn paragraphs ffs.
"that minor thing you just did, it annoyed me to much and I'm so angry!"
This is funny. He's not wrong though.
This is why I post in the way I do, it's easier to read.
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Asura.Sechs
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 10350
By Asura.Sechs 2021-03-11 10:57:04
It's a really tough choice whichever way you wanna put it, especially for a job like Carn BRD.
I don't think it's too much of a tough choice for a Carn BRD. As you said Volte is greatly inferior to TP and they don't have anything else on the level of Nyame A as far as TP goes. As for Mordant Rime, the WS doesn't have massive fTP on the first hit, so the significantly lower CHR on each piece of Nyame compared to Relic+3 makes less of an impact than the WSD, I'd say. For people who only care for BRD, for people who have BRD mules, and so on, sure.
I'd totally go for Nyame A on BRD.
What if you have other jobs too though? Or what if you're not a Carn BRD?
There are people who like to spam Rudra or -the heresy!- Savage Blade.
You don't really get a lot of WSD options on BRD, aside from crazy DM augs on Chironic, which doesn't exactely shine for its melee stats outside of the augs.
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 252
By Asura.Friedrik 2021-03-11 11:26:47
Pretty much, however if you aren't guaranteed to cap attack on Drakes or if your pdif ratio isn't really really low Trishula is ahead of Ryu. Ryu lives at the extremes
Even at attack cap, im not exactly sure if Ryu wins. It has higher WS frequency and higher WS damage at 1000TP, but Stardiver picks up damage so much with TP and DRG soul/spirit jumps usually provide a lots of TP overflow.
There is also whole new problem now with Nyame, where path B is so good set for so many jobs (either for pure WS damage or same WS damage with massive boost to survivability) and can even be used as hybrid TP set (path B still has 12%DA, which is something for TP), but path A is obviously amazing TP set for DRG and especially for Ryuo. If you only play DRG, then I guess the choice is easy, but otherwise its hard >.>
Yeah for sure, these last two months have been a roller coaster with all these armor sets
Server: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1410
By Fenrir.Melphina 2021-03-11 11:27:20
Quote: This is funny. He's not wrong though.
This is why I post in the way I do, it's easier to read.
The majority of my posts are just a few lines for that very reason. I only post longer things in bigger discussion threads, and I do try to break up paragraphs where I can. Sorry if I'm still hard to read sometimes. I do made a conscious effort to make my posts readable, and I've improved my writing style a lot over the years. If you think my post above is bad you should have seen how I wrote over a decade ago.
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Server: Leviathan
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2021-03-11 11:36:23
Are you that guy in the office that requires double spaces after the periods of each sentence?
nah. I'm that guy who requires it just because its proper.
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Server: Sylph
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By Sylph.Funkworkz 2021-03-11 11:40:48
Done adding augments to BG for the new armor. I also added a level-by-level breakdown of the augments on each armor page. PS: they are rank 20.
I am planning on going back to Atonement 3 and doing the same - switching them to rank 20 augments and adding the breakdowns by level.
Ragnarok.Martel
Server: Ragnarok
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2021-03-11 11:48:34
Done adding augments to BG for the new armor. I also added a level-by-level breakdown of the augments on each armor page. PS: they are rank 20.
I am planning on going back to Atonement 3 and doing the same - switching them to rank 20 augments and adding the breakdowns by level. Thank you for your continued efforts.
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Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget
Server: Quetzalcoatl
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Posts: 1394
By Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget 2021-03-11 11:52:05
This new set is like Malignance for all jobs.... Is this SE's way of telling us i119 gear is almost finished? Are you setting up for another ilvl increase?
Server: Asura
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By Asura.Tawhoya 2021-03-11 13:22:53
Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »Are you that guy in the office that requires double spaces after the periods of each sentence?
nah. I'm that guy who requires it just because its proper.
It's not proper though. There isn't any reason to use it in this day.
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Shiva.Thorny
Server: Shiva
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Posts: 3144
By Shiva.Thorny 2021-03-12 06:44:43
It's not proper though. There isn't any reason to use it in this day.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/05/two-spaces-after-a-period/559304/
It has cognitive benefits for people who are accustomed to it, which implies(but admittedly doesn't prove) that it is better to continue doing it and teaching it. One could argue that if nobody used it, those benefits would come with single spacing, but it's unsubstantiated. By seperating distinct thoughts with something that can be observed visually, you make it easier to read content.
Bahamut.Belkin
Server: Bahamut
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By Bahamut.Belkin 2021-03-12 06:57:33
It's not proper though. There isn't any reason to use it in this day.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/05/two-spaces-after-a-period/559304/
It has cognitive benefits for people who are accustomed to it, which implies(but admittedly doesn't prove) that it is better to continue doing it and teaching it. One could argue that if nobody used it, those benefits would come with single spacing, but it's unsubstantiated. By seperating distinct thoughts with something that can be observed visually, you make it easier to read content.
Look at this academic, my heavens.
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By RadialArcana 2021-03-12 07:36:23
Remember when they added master trials and people were furious because it was too hard and literally nobody could clear them, mercs are selling the gear now.
Shiva.Thorny
Server: Shiva
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By Shiva.Thorny 2021-03-12 07:50:19
Remember when they added master trials and people were furious because it was too hard and literally nobody could clear them, mercs are selling the gear now.
They haven't been 'too hard' for literally years now, I was 5manning the first 2 to sell in 2017. The gear creep is insane, turns an already easy game into mobile gacha tier.
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By RadialArcana 2021-03-12 08:53:09
The funny part is, the game is too easy for the best geared players and still too hard for most casual players that are still doing Ambu N in groups and paying for VD clears and Reisenjima gear.
Server: Leviathan
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Posts: 3753
By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2021-03-12 09:10:43
The funny part is, the game is too easy for the best geared players and still too hard for most casual players that are still doing Ambu N in groups and paying for VD clears and Reisenjima gear.
They can make the game "faster" as much as they want, but as their customer population ages and gets responsibilities they didn't have when they started FFXI (full time work, family, etc), the gap between the haves and the have-nots will increase.
My experience has always been that access is the biggest skill in this game, not performance or knowledge. Tons of people out there who are no better than those casuals, they just happen to have a friend or two in the "right" shell.
By mhomho 2021-03-12 09:34:44
Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »Tons of people out there who are no better than those casuals, they just happen to have a friend or two in the "right" shell.
That's the social aspect of an MMO. Sometimes it's a matter of who you know that will take you with them. Although, I guess it's easy to level every job and make a bunch of REMA when you play on a dead server with minimal competition. How long have you been on Leviathan? Forever? Some of groups are exclusive, too. There may be a group you could slot right into. If they don't like you, then you don't get to play.
This doesn't even touch upon multi-boxers. Singlets get upset by multi-boxers and don't want to play with them. If you do, they'll enforce arbitrary loot rules like only letting you lot on one of the boxes.
The 'right' shell is more along the lines of friends that have consistently played forever to keep up with all the content. (These groups are usually closed unless you determine who thebbig honcho is and worship them.) Conversely, the 'right' shell can be one filled with cheaters. Packet stuffers. RMT. Whatever. They're more closed than the ones that have played forever for fear of getting reported for their activities.
That leaves us with:
Make your own group
or:
Play the whole party yourself a la the Lakshmi crew (people like Ejin).
The easiest is Ejin style 6 box, but that breaks TOS with the amount of automation. That means if one person gets their panties in a wad, then you're going on a vacation. I see more people going the 6 box route. Especially, older players that have responsibilities. They can't make it every whatever day at whatever time, but they can clear the content on their own. Ruins the MMO aspect a bit.
"Access" is a bit misleading, but describes the social experience. Either you're on someone's white list or you're on their black list. You can get just as many flies with ***as you can with sugar.
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Server: Leviathan
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2021-03-12 09:37:58
oh I wasn't finding fault in those with friends, that's kind of the point of an MMO as you state!
It was more of an appeal to the fact that some people are just one invite away from being "good".
Although, I guess it's easy to level every job and make a bunch of REMA when you play on a dead server with minimal competition. How long have you been on Leviathan? Forever? Some of groups are exclusive, too.
Feel free to inquire all ya want about me, I've had a very "varied" history in terms of linkshells and roles- and yes, even servers. But I am very proud of the team I'm part of right now, and we very frequently are adding people to our group that fit on personality. The skills, more often than not, can be picked up if the "newbie" is interested and given good information, or where to find it.
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By mhomho 2021-03-12 09:51:47
Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »very frequently are adding people to our group that fit on personality
That's what I was getting at. If people don't like you then you don't play. The alternative is to 6 box and run the risk of the ban hammer.
The game isn't particularly hard, but you do need a party to get things done.
People might not like you because of things outside the game. They may not want to play with some polycule twitter transbian or some trumpet. It might not have to do with what the individual wants either if they're walking around adorned with a scarlet letter.
Server: Leviathan
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2021-03-12 09:55:39
personality meaning can they handle our crazy sick sense of humor and insults. Not do they suck up to leadership. We've got all kinds in our mix- as do many/most shells!
Maybe check out one of those smaller servers. We're pretty tight-knit, yes, but we're also for the most part good people.
Well, except me. I'm a total ***. Just ask anyone on Leviathan <3
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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2021-03-12 09:56:07
It's pretty easy not to be a douchenozzle in game. Keep your XI and your social media personality independent.
One could say that lack of social skills should be a barrier to entry.
Leviathan.Andret
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1008
By Leviathan.Andret 2021-03-12 10:12:36
You can change your wacky personality to please the world or you can just roll it your way and screw it.
By mhomho 2021-03-12 10:14:58
Keep your XI and your social media retard personality independent.
You realize Discord is social media now-a-days, right? The problem is the opposite. Most shells want you to participate in their social media. God forbid you don't want to use Discord or voice chat with them.
Those social media personalities are the same people in game as on discord or whatever else. They don't just magically change who they are. Some people will brazenly show you. Some will low-key leave links to their social media in profiles. Regardless. If you don't want to participate in the social aspect in the same manner as them you get shadowbanned.
One could say that lack of social skills should be a barrier to entry.
Yet it's not. It's often a lack of a discord pressence. The norm has shifted over the years with modernization. People see other players more as long distance friends than more intricate npc's. Sometimes they meet up in real life even. They want voice chat and interconnectivity that comes with a discord server community. If you choose not to particpate then you're ousted. You lose credibility or trustworthiness. They think you're either foreign or hiding something.
That doesn't even take into consideration the heirarchies of cliques within the echo chambers.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2021-03-12 10:19:26
It's a role playing game.
play the role
By Trillium 2021-03-12 10:31:41
"They can't make it every whatever day at whatever time, but they can clear the content on their own. Ruins the MMO aspect a bit."
This is the part that I am not as sure about. I mean I suppose it is possible some subset of the multi-boxers would party up for everything and take on the part-time/full-time job that can be being in an end-game linkshell? I know for myself the one reason I have not joined a shell is I don't have the time. If I couldn't dual box I would probably just quit the game and do something else where I can make progress by myself. I actually do party up for low man stuff, but creating a dynamis shout run etc is something that I personally don't have interest in doing.
I suspect my money in some small way helps in keeping servers open? Not trying to justify my dual boxing, I do try to play with others, and if this were a solo game I would probably abandon it as well, but I just can't play anything where if my child hurts themselves I can just afk in 1 second for half an hour if I need to. /shrug Certainly glad there are people that have time to play things hardcore, before kids and my career-job I had time too and had a blast. It was certainly more fun and way more relaxing doing things on one box as part of a group. It is also fun, but a bit more stressful dual boxing lol... perhaps I should look into this automation people keep talking about. As far as it being against ToS, I am pretty sure that breathing while playing the game is against the ToS if you read it... so much latitude in favor of SE on that side.
At this stage of the game, I am happy for all the subs that keep SE keeping the servers open. Even the dreaded RMT have money that keeps us afloat and does allow a subset of the playerbase to participate... I think where I get a bit annoyed is when stuff against the ToS interferes with regular players (hogging salvage entrances/xp/cp camps). I remain unconvinced multi-boxers fall into that category... or at least most of them, but maybe I am not looking at it correctly.
By mhomho 2021-03-12 10:41:21
It's an MMO first. You can't just play your role like a trust unless you play a support like WHM. Most groups would take robot personality supports with little to no gear before they would want a decked out DPS or tank.
You could be a dumpster fire of a human being; but, if you have BiS REMA BRD GEO WHM, and you're not just rolling your face on the keyboard, then people will take you so long as you want to go.
Part of it depends on class preference. I've noticed some players play the supports until the old guard phases out so to speak. The supports become the DPS (because they gear them on the side) and recruit new supports. Playing support can feel like getting hazed at times.
Trying to gear solely a DPS legitimately has always been difficult throughout the history of the game.
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