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By Fenrir.Velner 2021-03-12 14:14:15
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eliroo said: »
How can you suck at playing support only BRD. You literally just click 6-7 macros every 10 minutes.

I've seen it. I once took a BRD with me to do Lilith and had to summon Ulmia because he couldn't or wouldn't keep up with Scherzo.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2021-03-12 14:15:25
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eliroo said: »
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the VAST majority of "bad Bards" I've met in my day are also bad meleeing bards. Trying to convince them to first learn to walk before they run is like talking to a wall.

You honestly just aren't a bard if you aren't meleeing though. There are situations where a BRD can heal and maintain other buff like storms though. Regardless if you are just singing, I kind of agree with Eiryl here, its literally the second least active thing you can do in the game, the other being the other support job.. GEO.

Healing is very involved though, and a good WHM is always engaged so if he is saying that support WHM is boring. Idk man. There are always ways to improve your support play though. Classifying a bard as a sing bot in 2021 is a waste of party space.

I'm hopping that the new nyame gear makes melee GEO a thing because their utility outside of a few bubbles every 10 minutes is super limiting.

These days, I do agree. Its the same evolution that happened with COR- for a long time, a "roll COR" was acceptable, until people saw all that damage just sitting on the sidelines rolling joints between rolling dice. And as more people geared up DD CORs, there just wasn't a place left for the "rolls-only" any more.

Same thing is happening with Bard. But what many seem to forget is you first need to understand all the ins and outs of singing, song-overwriting, split songs between party members, and how to most efficiently do your primary job of being a buffer. That aspect needs to be basically automatic before someone delves into the extremely severe needs to make a respectable "DD-Bard".

I know I couldn't handle it- its why I stopped playing Bard. I was really bad at it. And I had seen enough great Bards handle it all to know that just wasn't going to be me.
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By Bosworth 2021-03-12 15:18:32
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Is people using Anchor to kill the last boss in Odyssey bannable? Asking for a friend
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By Littleflame 2021-03-12 15:21:50
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Is people using Anchor to kill the last boss in Odyssey bannable? Asking for a friend
Only if you stream it on twitch.
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By RadialArcana 2021-03-12 15:22:27
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Of course it is, using windower is if you want to ask that. The issue is, can they prove it.

The issue with JA0wait, Anchor and stuff like fastfollow is other players can very easily see you're using them. Which isn't the case for a lot of other stuff.

I can spot people using the 3 things above a mile away, and if i can so can a GM if they are called out for any reason to look at you. However if a GM isn't called out then they won't see it.

If you stream it and annoy people they will call a GM on you, so you're gonna get it. If you show off and annoy people they might GM you.
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By Odin.Senaki 2021-03-12 15:46:29
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Bosworth said: »
Is people using Anchor to kill the last boss in Odyssey bannable? Asking for a friend

I really don't understand the reason why people use Anchor. Yes you can get banned for it and it is SUPER noticeable. To me, it's a dumb add-on to get banned for especially since you can easily just position your back to the wall as a tank.
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By Crossbones 2021-03-12 15:49:05
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I have every job geared up except lolnin and pld. Also have at least one rema for most of those jobs. 95% of the time I just play rune, brd, or rdm. Two of those are supports, one is a tank, but all 3 are also dps. If someone wants to play dps that's fine but personally I find that super boring. I have the greatest sense of power when I'm one rune, which is my favorite job, especially when tanking endgame content with almost zero chance of death and also doing pretty much the same damage as a dps does. The other day I was tanking a full wave 3 circle with last resort up no problem, idk if I even hit yellow hp. I'm surprised so many people would rather play dps but I guess to each their own.
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By eliroo 2021-03-12 16:11:24
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Crossbones said: »
I'm surprised so many people would rather play dps but I guess to each their own.

For me a lot of it falls into the parse. Doing as much damage as I can without dying and pushing my limits in that regards. Each DPS in this game has some interesting mechanics and weapons as well so it gives me a sense of progression and achievement. When it comes to tanking I usually feel like I'd a hit a brick wall the moment I can survive something.


That being said, I've also mained supports in other games and was playing mostly bard on XI for awhile, and they can definitely be fun if you push them past their basic functions.

Messing with WHM and figuring out how to push damage and efficiently heal the party has also been fun too.
 
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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-03-12 16:50:15
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Control 1 for Fudo/Upheaval/SB/LS

Or

Control 1 for HM, 2 for Minuet, 3 for Ballad

it's the same ***, just more of it.

FF7 mash O
FF8 mash X
FF11 mash C1
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By eliroo 2021-03-12 16:52:48
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This game is about progression anyway.

Control 1 for Fudo but it does 10k more damage than last time because I spent a few hours in abyssea.

Hitting Control 4 on Bard to play my fourth song because I spent a few hours in abyssea.
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By Crossbones 2021-03-12 17:37:03
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Yeah the only difference is at least on brd you don't only do one thing. You buff, debuff, crowd control, and dps vs just dps. Again to each their own, but playing support and pure dps is nothing alike and you can try to oversimplify it as much as you want,it doesn't necessarily make it so.
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By GlassyCraver 2021-03-12 18:05:24
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What kind of sick deformed hands do you people have?

ALT+1 is for WS!!
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By eliroo 2021-03-12 18:13:58
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I think its pretty easy to overcomplicate things. I am about just as active on a DD than I ever was on Bard and I would DD, maintain 5 songs and sleep/elegy/nocturne when needed. I want to say that Eiryl's main point is that if you over simplify everything, you can make anything seem boring / easy.

Everything is also all content related. In some Content a BRD will have to hussle. On other content they will play songs once and just mash Savage Blade, while a DPS may have to make a multi-step skillchain or off-tank certain mobs. I think they are all pretty comparable in terms of something like number of actions or number of factors to worry about. They all also have a base form that can seem extremely boring but can expand into other roles to make their job more interesting. The quality of a SAM just spamming Fudo in some glass cannon set vs. a Bard just singing songs is the same level of low quality play.
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By mhomho 2021-03-12 18:39:34
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eliroo said: »
The quality of a SAM just spamming Fudo in some glass cannon set vs. a Bard just singing songs is the same level of low quality play.

6 boxers rely on that low quality of play threshold. They're able to clear because they can sit their off-boxes to the side when they aren't needed or would otherwise be feeding the mob TP.

It makes me question players I see doing the bare minimum because I have to wonder who their other box is. Sometimes you'll find dual or multi-boxers in with the singlets pretending they're multiple people to avoid loot lock-out.
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By eliroo 2021-03-12 18:54:42
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I digress a bit back from my point. RUN, RDM and non-boxed WHM are some intense crap that will blow any other job out of the water.
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By Guyford 2021-03-12 20:02:05
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960 deeds KI increases weaponskill merits by another 5, very disappointing, wanted 10 at least.
 
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By RadialArcana 2021-03-12 20:46:33
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They are talking about allowing you to reset and reobtain some, who knows which.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-03-12 20:49:12
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They'll just recycle from the beginning, only one they have to change is monbraeux

2 years you'll have another 10 merit point ws
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By Asura.Geriond 2021-03-12 21:01:13
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Next 960 points will give +1 to cap to each job point category, for 21/21 at max.
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By Leviathan.Eloc 2021-03-12 21:09:13
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GlassyCraver said: »
What kind of sick deformed hands do you people have?

ALT+1 is for WS!!

What kind of monster doesn't play with a controller?
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By Asura.Geriond 2021-03-12 22:36:18
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But how do you choose between the 20 (or more) macros that are available at a time?
 
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By Asura.Geriond 2021-03-12 22:44:43
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I can see it being fast, and plenty sufficient for anything in FFXI, but I can't imagine it being faster than keyboard.
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