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 Asura.Eiryl
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-10-10 06:46:57
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They do love to over explain and embellish. Make the mobs hp 0 and keep yours above 0, that's "the" "strategy".

Really over zealous for 30 seconds faster kills

They get weirdly over excited thinking they figured out some undiscovered tactic like gravity kiting, like it wasn't being used for 10 years prior. So weird.

And then they'll try to explain it as complicated as possible, instead of just saying; Use gravity, walk behind mob.
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By Dodik 2025-10-10 06:48:09
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Yeah, it's clear neither of you have any idea what you're talking about or any practical experience with fights like this.

Good chat. Nice Ody thread bump.
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By K123 2025-10-10 06:59:56
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Dodik said: »
Yeah, it's clear neither of you have any idea what you're talking about or any practical experience with fights like this.

Good chat. Nice Ody thread bump.
Says the guy that says if you don't treat Absorb-TP like a science means a HM kill takes 40mins.

Serious copium for taking the game so seriously.

Also if Male is still not using gearswap it shows how laughable the min-maxing arguments are.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-10-10 07:46:32
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Absorb-TP strat is literally identical to the Mew Strat. Just with a different macro.

Been doing it since 2017 or so.

The only differences are 3-4 /drk instead of 2 /smn, and "we've" "discovered" that dancer is more optimal than thf.
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By K123 2025-10-10 08:02:39
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Dodik said: »
Yeah, it's clear neither of you have any idea what you're talking about or any practical experience with fights like this.

Good chat. Nice Ody thread bump.


ok dude :)
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By Asura.Saevel 2025-10-10 08:32:44
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Asura.Dexprozius said: »
K123 said: »
I don't know what male is saying but I'm seeing a lot of what I find to be the biggest problem with ffxiah here - making content sound way harder and more complex than it is. You can have everyone spam absorb tp as soon as it's up without acting like it's a science and win every time no problem.

This happens every month with ambu when people make it sound way harder than it is with obscure set ups and plans that once you're experienced with it realize are all ***.

I don't know what this phenomena is but it's like people make things sound harder than that are so they can pretend to themselves that they are "good at" ffxi. It's really not a complex game when everything of mild difficulty is melee burned or cheesed (tp denial, etc).

While a large part of your point is correct, the discussion was about getting a very fast kill. Coordination helps in that regard a great deal when your pushing vast amounts of TP onto the mob at a fast rate, and everyone going simultaneously at once with their drain then waiting 12 seconds with no drains will likely result in a TP move.

While your criticism is that we're overcomplicating it, you're simply oversimplifying it. Spamming drain on cooldown is what I'd say is a good rule of thumb, but identifying when you can hold your drain because someone just did and the number was sub 100, or identifying when everyone drained and too many actions have gone off since, asking the team to stop for another drain, is what makes the team function more cohesively and efficiently.

When you're min/maxxing content these kinds of optimizations are necessary. I'd also counter argue that extremely lax and lower end content like ambuscade is silly to demand high degrees of precision and execution, while one of the premier endgame bosses is a different discussion entirely.

And just because something is very dull in concept to tackle (TP suppression is boring and stupid... I hope they don't do NM's like this anymore), doesn't mean its invalid to push the limit to how well a team can preform that strategy. Of course, it's brain dead to beat aminon... you can easily get a 10min+ kill having the DNC solo DPS and its super chill, everyone spams drain on cooldown, you always suck under 100, there's 0 risk. It's when you have everyone go balls to the wall and you consistently see 200-300 drains because your riding that line, that it's no longer brain dead

Our team has had wipes before because we were too aggressive on WS spam. The not-DNC's had to hold back a bit on WS to ensure sufficient drains were staggered and it's been buttery smooth sailing. 9 boss kill with 5~7 minutes remaining to nab the aurum chest.

So yeah it's not just button smashing, you really do need to spread out your TP drains and WS's.
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By Kadokawa 2025-10-10 09:10:44
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Guys this ody discussion, not sortie discussion. yes i'm that guy.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-10-10 10:26:06
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I do kind of find it interesting that when people don't share information, it's gatekeeping. But when they do share valuable information, nuanced, experience, and otherwise smaller tidbits to make execution and success cleaner (whether it's v25s or Sortie, same difference), it's "it's not that hard, make mobs HP zero, you're overcomplicating it". Funny that the "problem" is sharing TOO MUCH information.

This is why people just don't bother posting valuable info on here anymore and it's buried in discord channels or obscure wiki pages.
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By K123 2025-10-10 10:28:40
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I do kind of find it interesting that when people don't share information, it's gatekeeping. But when they do share valuable information, nuanced, experience, and otherwise smaller tidbits to make execution and success cleaner (whether it's v25s or Sortie, same difference), it's "it's not that hard, make mobs HP zero, you're overcomplicating it". Funny that the "problem" is sharing TOO MUCH information.

This is why people just don't bother posting valuable info on here anymore and it's buried in discord channels or obscure wiki pages.
This isn't at all what is happening here.
There's a difference between saying "to minimise kill time it is possible to save a minute by only using Absorb TP after every 4-5 actions on Animon" and people waving their *** about kill speeds and acting like anyone not min-maxing to the 0.1% is doing it wrong.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-10-10 11:16:14
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(Not a response to anyone in particular)
Here's an example of how sharing information, even smaller details can "help" other groups:

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No Slow No Para intentionally to get him to swing on us more

Dex's group is very efficient and tenured, and he mentioned his group doesn't use Slow on Aminon to feed him more TP. I've been in other groups where they DO use Slow/SV Elegy to "help" control Aminon. Turns out, you don't need to bother wasting your time debating with Slow effect on Aminon all; I've posted in the past from Lute' video that Slow status effect does nothing vs Aminon. Apparently, even experienced players weren't aware of this and it's at least 7 months discovered.

I've seen similar instances of group differences in strats, but a simple suggestion helps optimize the group even better (ex. Binding Gartell before Stymie Gravity II, using BOG during Bolster so you don't have to resummon 1.5 bubble, SCing bosses/Stun rotations etc). A lot of times, groups will copy/paste other people's strats but not be aware of the mechanics at play or how they can make their runs better. Sharing information helps, and when you run the same boring event every day, I think that's a welcome suggestion to get the most out of your runs. It might be a small tidbit that is <1% difference, but better is still better.
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By K123 2025-10-10 11:29:36
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The solution to 7 boss runs then 8 boss runs becoming commonplace was

The solution to 9 boss runs becoming common was

The solution to 9 boss with HM becoming more common will be
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By Dodik 2025-10-10 11:30:08
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It's obvious which players are willing to press a couple more buttons or, Altana forbid, actually pay attention and use that supposedly big brain to help the team of supposed humans they are in do more things, get more muffins, whatever, vs the people that would just go "*nah not doing that*" at instructions more complicated than simply singing some songs on a 12min timer then afk-ing.

The second group sounds like a fun bunch that any group would love to take along.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-10-10 11:30:32
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It's common sense. (I know common sense isn't common)

Anything that actively contributes to killing itself, is welcome. I don't para/slow/blind anything when i'm on mnk thf war, why, because free tp and free damage. Aminon, as mentioned. Same deal. You want him to hit you. You want him to feed you tp and feed himself tp, so you can drain it.
(letting it hit you also lowers your enmity, and gives pld cure enmity)

This is day one stuff. Para/slow/blind/bio are safety strats. Handicaps. Training wheels. You take them off eventually.
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By K123 2025-10-10 11:34:02
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Hey Dodik, I'm happy for you if you've found 5 other humans that tell themselves they're good at ffxi to cope with the fact that the entire equation has been more time invested = more gear. I'm actually jealous of people that don't get bored doing mind numbing content 100s or thousands of times. I wish I could find it that stimulating and challenging and enjoy it that much.


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By Kadokawa 2025-10-10 11:35:41
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Yeah sharing info in discussion page will make people find it easier, like discussiong sortie on odyssey thread. i believe we need practical guide page with all valuable info regarding sortie and aminon.
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By Asura.Hya 2025-10-10 11:45:23
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Kadokawa said: »
Yeah sharing info in discussion page will make people find it easier, like discussiong sortie on odyssey thread. i believe we need practical guide page with all valuable info regarding sortie and aminon.
This is ffxiah, people will argue and bicker in any and every thread.
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By K123 2025-10-10 12:05:38
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Best places to put write ups without arguing:
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Category_talk:Sortie
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Talk:Aminon
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By Dodik 2025-10-10 12:17:03
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All I hear is a weird buzzing noise, idk where it's coming from.
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By K123 2025-10-10 12:23:41
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Dodik said: »
All I hear is a weird buzzing noise, idk where it's coming from.
Your brain is fried from playing FFXI cus it's so hard for you clearly.

I started playing Pokemon games. So far I have played Fire Red, Emerald, and Diamond. They are more challenging than FFXI, and all you have to do similarly is grind (expend time) and increase your damage output. Amazing.
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