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The Odyssey - || Strategy and Discussion ||
By SimonSes 2021-05-12 10:06:02
SE really whiffed with the whole "this will be the hardest NM for the effort" thing
Nah, they simply underestimated the damage geared players can do with Savage blade spam on full buffs. If you couldnt bypass Bumba mechanic this way, it would actually be very hard.
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By Pandemonium.Zeto 2021-05-12 10:12:00
Also they probably assumed people would actually try to do 3 NMs per entry. Instead of what we do with 1 super comp to kill the 1 NM we care about and then going home.
Hence their giving us something to try and force us to do the content the way they want us to.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-05-12 10:13:24
SE really whiffed with the whole "this will be the hardest NM for the effort" thing
Nah, they simply underestimated the damage geared players can do with Savage blade spam on full buffs. If you couldnt bypass Bumba mechanic this way, it would actually be very hard.
Less about Savage, more about the mechanic being predictable every single time. It was being done before Savage blade meta because the mechanic is timed if you don't accidentally heal it and force aura. Because of this, players can simply kill before that time and ignore mechanic. Can replace Savage blade with any other non chaining options, it's the same outcome. They didn't do this for other bosses. I have seen A3 put up an aura within 30 seconds of fighting, which makes the fights much more challenging. Once people figured out to avoid healing it, it just became a race against the clock.
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By Asura.Sechs 2021-05-12 11:50:19
So Canopierce from Mboze is AoE damage and it's magic based.
Anybody knows if it's also earth based by any chance?
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-05-12 12:33:17
Canopierce is Needles effect evenly distributed among targets. Unknown what the total damage for the move is for Mboze, as it varies for each Yggdreant.
According to JP wiki, it is listed as Earth damage.
It also lists this note indicating that Migawari can block the effects. Not heard this confirmed/tested by anybody on the NA side, though.
Quote: Kanopiasu of damage because there is a capitation, avant-garde about three people out before, Mikawa with a ninja necessary to take measures such as putting. Verification is required for the total amount of damage .
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By Asura.Bippin 2021-05-12 12:41:19
Any one got porter packer working for in there?
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By Asura.Sechs 2021-05-12 12:48:44
Canopierce is Needles effect evenly distributed among targets. For the other Trees (Wopket etc) I think you're right, it's a needle effect.
For Mboze it's not needle. We were receiving the same damage even without luopan down and we were receiving noticeably more damage when the random aura was "Magic Defense down" meaning its damage is reduced by MDB, I assume.
Unless my line of thought is wrong somewhere?
Damage was pretty much between 900/1100 and >1300 when we happened to get the Mdef random aura.
(same buffs all the runs, same players, same Vengeance level)
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By Bahamut.Mhysa 2021-05-12 12:51:21
I can confirm that Sacro will prevent damage taken from Cano.
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By Asura.Bippin 2021-05-12 15:13:32
So what is the best way to farm Bumba now with with Mog amp?
V15>V15>Bumba(amp)>Bumba(amp)>Exit and start over?
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By Asura.Aburaage 2021-05-12 15:21:33
Order does not matter, but here's what my group did:
initial run: Bumba 392 RP > v15 > v15 (bonus obtained) -> exit
(amp) Bumba 3528 RP > v15 > v15 (bonus obtained) -> exit
(amp) Bumba 3528 RP > v15 > v15 (bonus obtained) -> exit
(amp) Bumba 3528 RP > v15 > v15 (bonus obtained) -> exit
(amp) Bumba 3528 RP > v15 > v15 (bonus obtained) -> exit
etc
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By Shiva.Spynx 2021-05-12 15:32:51
Order does not matter, but here's what my group did:
initial run: Bumba 392 RP > v15 > v15 (bonus obtained) -> exit
(amp) Bumba 3528 RP > v15 > v15 (bonus obtained) -> exit
(amp) Bumba 3528 RP > v15 > v15 (bonus obtained) -> exit
(amp) Bumba 3528 RP > v15 > v15 (bonus obtained) -> exit
(amp) Bumba 3528 RP > v15 > v15 (bonus obtained) -> exit
etc
That's what I'd like to do but the fact you can't use the same job twice makes the rotation a pain. Which NM are you focusing on and what setup do you use for each kill in the 3x V15 runs?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-05-12 15:39:22
If you do it that way, you have everything preset. You know you're going to be job1 job2 job3 every time. You're gonna fight the same mobs every time.
Not much rotation, well, a set rotation.
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By Asura.Aburaage 2021-05-12 15:53:10
That's what I'd like to do but the fact you can't use the same job twice makes the rotation a pain. Which NM are you focusing on and what setup do you use for each kill in the 3x V15 runs?
We did T1 v15 for both, Gogmagog because the ammo RP is worth, and Dealan Dhe because it's piss easy.
Gogmagog:
PUP tank
RNG doing trueflight great dmg now with hover shot even though no buff
NIN to open light w/ shun for TF closer
RDM for debuffs/dispel,very light healing if at all.
other pt members pretty much afk
Dealan Dhe:
Tank: RUN or PLD, doesn't really need tank probably
random DDs blu/dnc/etc w/e available
SCH healing,Regen5 was the only healing needed, light cures.
Yeah we have every person with jobs preset before we run, barely any time changing jobs and setting up
By Nyaanu 2021-05-12 16:25:32
That's what I'd like to do but the fact you can't use the same job twice makes the rotation a pain. Which NM are you focusing on and what setup do you use for each kill in the 3x V15 runs?
We did T1 v15 for both, Gogmagog because the ammo RP is worth, and Dealan Dhe because it's piss easy.
Gogmagog:
PUP tank
RNG doing trueflight great dmg now with hover shot even though no buff
NIN to open light w/ shun for TF closer
RDM for debuffs/dispel,very light healing if at all.
other pt members pretty much afk
Dealan Dhe:
Tank: RUN or PLD, doesn't really need tank probably
random DDs blu/dnc/etc w/e available
SCH healing,Regen5 was the only healing needed, light cures.
Yeah we have every person with jobs preset before we run, barely any time changing jobs and setting up
Not that the fight is too bad when you have the RDM, but why not use PLD for Gog and PUP for Dealan? The rationale being Gogmagog is the only one with a threatening move or issue if he turns, and he's jndead; The PUP on Dealan doesn't have to worry about coal dispel or amnesia.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-05-12 18:18:10
So I hate to be "that guy", but is somebody going to submit the Asylum glitch (might as well include the Entrust glitch) as a bug on the OF? .
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By Bahamut.Mhysa 2021-05-12 19:24:29
These people must be fun at parties. “If I can’t have it, no one else can!” *Reports*
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By Asura.Aburaage 2021-05-12 19:42:42
Not that the fight is too bad when you have the RDM, but why not use PLD for Gog and PUP for Dealan? The rationale being Gogmagog is the only one with a threatening move or issue if he turns, and he's jndead; The PUP on Dealan doesn't have to worry about coal dispel or amnesia.
since it's basically only rng dd, hate wasn't really an issue, pup tanking just because it doesnt need any healing. he's only dangerous during 1hr, and automaton makes that a non-issue
as far as the other nm, it's already easy as it is, we just go with what we have
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By Shiva.Thorny 2021-05-13 06:13:42
These people must be fun at parties. “If I can’t have it, no one else can!” *Reports*
About as fun as people who can't win within the rules of the game and need to cheat at content so they can pretend they are bleeding edge? There isn't anything to do past Odyssey, why even do it if you're going to cheat? It's like buying a master trial.
Also, everyone can have it. It is super easy to do and was posted publically. The game is better off with noone having it.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2021-05-13 08:28:10
These people must be fun at parties. “If I can’t have it, no one else can!” *Reports*
About as fun as people who can't win within the rules of the game and need to cheat at content so they can pretend they are bleeding edge? There isn't anything to do past Odyssey, why even do it if you're going to cheat? It's like buying a master trial.
Also, everyone can have it. It is super easy to do and was posted publically. The game is better off with noone having it. You saying its cheating while everyone use every add on which is cheating to get pass stuff im confused. About as fun as people who need gearswap to play the game.
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By Bahamut.Mhysa 2021-05-13 08:32:25
These people must be fun at parties. “If I can’t have it, no one else can!” *Reports*
About as fun as people who can't win within the rules of the game and need to cheat at content so they can pretend they are bleeding edge? There isn't anything to do past Odyssey, why even do it if you're going to cheat? It's like buying a master trial.
Also, everyone can have it. It is super easy to do and was posted publically. The game is better off with noone having it.
Wow, totally, this 15 minute single NM fight compares to a Master Trial. You’re right, your logic is totally super on point. Thank you. I also hope when you did any MT you didn’t bring a single outside buffer because at that point you’re also cheating at content. Bohoo your feelings got hurt someone found a loophole around the NMs you fought normally and probably cried every night because your group wasn’t beating them.
And well, I guess the sarcasm wasn’t clear on “If I can’t have jt, no one else can” or maybe the smoooth brain to compare a MT to Odyssey did it. I don’t know, hope you get better.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2021-05-13 08:52:24
this 15 minute single NM fight compares to a Master Trial
The analogy was 'cheating to win an event with no further purpose'. Ok, so you cheat and get your R15 Nyame gear. Great, now what? There's nothing post-Odyssey to do. You look cool in town with your new augments that you had to cheat to obtain.
Ok, so you buy a master trial clear. Great, now what? It doesn't change any of the rest of the game. You look cool in town with your shiny weapon that you didn't earn yourself.
If you don't enjoy the game enough to try to beat things as intended, why even play? Does it build your ego to collect gear? What's the endgame here?
And no, I didn't bring outside buffers to my master trials, of which I was the first non-JP to clear any, and provided the strategies for everyone else after doing so. It's not the same thing anyway, they very clearly did not intend for Asylum to let you carry buffs. If you cast buffs and go in, they are stripped. This is an exploit by absolutely any reasonable measure, and if you want gear so much more than gameplay I feel obligated to repeat: Why even play?
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2021-05-13 08:56:46
this 15 minute single NM fight compares to a Master Trial
The analogy was 'cheating to win an event with no further purpose'. Ok, so you cheat and get your R15 Nyame gear. Great, now what? There's nothing post-Odyssey to do. You look cool in town with your new augments that you had to cheat to obtain.
Ok, so you buy a master trial clear. Great, now what? It doesn't change any of the rest of the game. You look cool in town with your shiny weapon that you didn't earn yourself.
If you don't enjoy the game enough to try to beat things as intended, why even play? Does it build your ego to collect gear? What's the endgame here? Again the pot calling the kettle black lol. Your calling this cheating but find other stuff not its weird. Even if you beat this without the buff what do you gain? Cool you cleared it to stand around in town in for some kinda ego. Alot you people on here acting all high and mighty while not playing on vanilla as if windower itself isn't a cheat.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2021-05-13 09:00:18
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »Your calling this cheating but find other stuff not its weird Such as? I call gearswap cheating. I call anchor cheating. I call react and send cheating. They are all cheating. They offer some ways to make the game more fun, aside from straight power creep, so I can understand why people use them, but I'm certainly not saying they're fair.
This is a different and much more blatant type of cheat. It will absolutely be patched once SE is aware of it. Any argument for keeping it or trying to hide it so it can be abused longer can only come from the perspective of a group unable to win without using it(shocker, you and Mhysa are in the same group). I have to repeat, why play if you don't want to be challenged? Do you see this as a gacha game? Do you just want to be given gear for logging in next?
Beating it without cheat buffs(or even better, beating multiple NMs and using the job change mechanic) is a reward in itself. The point of a difficult encounter is to give you opportunity to lose, examine what happened, improve your gear or tactics, and try again until you can beat it. This really shouldn't have to be explained, it's a key tenant of video games and has been for decades. Most people find it enjoyable to succeed due to their own efforts.
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By Bahamut.Mhysa 2021-05-13 09:04:39
this 15 minute single NM fight compares to a Master Trial
The analogy was 'cheating to win an event with no further purpose'. Ok, so you cheat and get your R15 Nyame gear. Great, now what? There's nothing post-Odyssey to do. You look cool in town with your new augments that you had to cheat to obtain.
Ok, so you buy a master trial clear. Great, now what? It doesn't change any of the rest of the game. You look cool in town with your shiny weapon that you didn't earn yourself.
If you don't enjoy the game enough to try to beat things as intended, why even play? Does it build your ego to collect gear? What's the endgame here?
And no, I didn't bring outside buffers to my master trials, of which I was the first non-JP to clear any, and provided the strategies for everyone else after doing so. It's not the same thing anyway, they very clearly did not intend for Asylum to let you carry buffs. If you cast buffs and go in, they are stripped. This is an exploit by absolutely any reasonable measure, and if you want gear so much more than gameplay I feel obligated to repeat: Why even play?
I mean you really really sound bitter at people exploiting this. Like, jesus, you sound REALLY PRESSED. Now, looking at what the person above said, you’re out here throwing war because of Asylum and people exploiting it, but I was just lurking, I didn’t know a player could have a GM status? Or what it looks like to be buffer timers remaining on other players? If you’re cheating to have the gameplay experience that you LOVE to bring up so much and get the gear…
I feel obligated to repeat: Why even play?
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By Shiva.Thorny 2021-05-13 09:10:42
You attacked people for wanting it fixed and reporting it. Don't try to flip the script after the fact. It's pretty simple:
1. Do you honestly believe SE intended for you to be able to carry buffs into fights with Asylum?
2. Do you honestly believe SE will leave it functional after they become aware of it?
If the answer is no to both, then you're just nitpicking over how long you're allowed to cheat for. Obviously I'm not going to convince anyone that desperate not to do it, but aside from risking a ban all you're accomplishing is devaluing the only piece of content you're likely to get in the next 6 months for yourself.
If you want to draw comparisons between other tools, I'm happy to criticize most of them. However, you have to be incredibly foolish or willfully lying to suggest that recast timers provide anything near the advantage of carrying buffs in an event with such strict job restrictions.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2021-05-13 09:15:08
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »Your calling this cheating but find other stuff not its weird Such as? I call gearswap cheating. I call anchor cheating. I call react and send cheating. They are all cheating. They offer some ways to make the game more fun, aside from straight power creep, so I can understand why people use them, but I'm certainly not saying they're fair.
This is a different and much more blatant type of cheat. It will absolutely be patched once SE is aware of it. Any argument for keeping it or trying to hide it so it can be abused longer can only come from the perspective of a group unable to win without using it(shocker, you and Mhysa are in the same group). I have to repeat, why play if you don't want to be challenged? Do you see this as a gacha game? Do you just want to be given gear for logging in next?
Beating it without cheat buffs(or even better, beating multiple NMs and using the job change mechanic) is a reward in itself. The point of a difficult encounter is to give you opportunity to lose, examine what happened, improve your gear or tactics, and try again until you can beat it. This really shouldn't have to be explained, it's a key tenant of video games and has been for decades. Most people find it enjoyable to succeed due to their own efforts. What reward? SE patting you on the back? As someone whos beat it all without cheats at what point of saying your enjoyment is ruined because other people did something that didnt hurt you at all? It shouldn't have to be explained that the stuff you find enjoyable doesn't mean someone else will. Odyssey fight isn't about skill when stuff like timber is in and people are winning because he doesn't use timber. Its not skill its luck which should have to be explained.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2021-05-13 09:19:25
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »What reward? SE patting you on the back? As someone whos beat it all without cheats at what point of saying your enjoyment is ruined because other people did something that didnt hurt you at all? It shouldn't have to be explained that the stuff you find enjoyable doesn't mean someone else will. Winning a difficult event is a reward in itself for most people. If you only have fun by obtaining fake items, that's your choice, and explains why you so heavily support using any cheat you can. Probably gamesharked all your console games too, but that's your choice.
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »Odyssey fight isn't about skill when stuff like timber is in and people are winning because he doesn't use timber. Its not skill its luck which should have to be explained. You can win with any set of TP moves used if you formulate a less braindead strategy and stop relying on your addons to replace every bit of gameplay.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2021-05-13 09:19:53
You attacked people for wanting it fixed and reporting it. Don't try to flip the script after the fact. It's pretty simple:
1. Do you honestly believe SE intended for you to be able to carry buffs into fights with Asylum?
2. Do you honestly believe SE will leave it functional after they become aware of it?
If the answer is no to both, then you're just nitpicking over how long you're allowed to cheat for. Obviously I'm not going to convince anyone that desperate not to do it, but aside from risking a ban all you're accomplishing is devaluing the only piece of content you're likely to get in the next 6 months for yourself.
If you want to draw comparisons between other tools, I'm happy to criticize most of them. However, you have to be incredibly foolish or willfully lying to suggest that recast timers provide anything near the advantage of carrying buffs in an event with such strict job restrictions. Your a fool to sit here and act as if anything breaking TOS cant be considered cheating. It doesn't matter what it is recast timers spell cast weather tracker. I know you may not do anything else but this game has more content than odyssey to do. Odyssey isn't hard with or without the buff in lobby strat. A pick up group has already been doing bumba along with other nms. Im not defending the ***but im not gonna act like im the best player in the game and im above all because i just comment on ah all day. A cheat is a cheat like a crime is a crime.
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Hmmm...
Initial Speculations:
Looks like they took components of Walk of Echoes (setting), and Elemental Circles and brought it together.
They must of learned new ideas through the Lilith HTBF and how they can play with those elemental fetters to create unique battlefield environment and apply further stress with them..
Instead of Abyssea, this may be a Walk of Echoes 3.0? Anything iLvl 140+ .. We are ready!
Keep this thread clean, hoping to post critical details and discuss strategies.. Eventually I will create a Node on this with full details.. We can then update BG-Wiki with information that we gather..
Those of you who play on Nasomi.. Please don't post on here, you have a Fafnir to camp.. so get back to work.. This is isn't Bubbly Bernie version 3.0. He will be OG 1.0 forever on Nasomi.. ^_^
Sorry about the delay on updating this as I have been slammed with a lot of work since COVID-19 defense ramp up procedures at my hospital facility.
I have barely had time to update and barely any time to explore this content myself. I appreciate everyone's work so far. I will update this OP Thread with some resources and information that people have found across all servers including videos and screenshots..
Keeping this as a basic vital post highlight source so as new posts with vital information emerges I will just pin it here so it is all in one space and no need to jump around different pages..
To Begin.. The Basic Release Info from SE:
Some First Initial Basic Discoveries:
looks like you enter through Rabao
And you have 30 min to kill a bunch of trash mobs. Probably a boss at the end too.
More Initial Entry Discoveries Pinned:
About to enter Odyssey for the first time.
I'll report back. Setup is PUP, COR, BLU x2, SMN, RDM
Ok, it's looking like they made this content specifically to prevent BLUs from cleaving through this content.
Only main target took full damage. Surrounding targets took 90% reduced damage (main targeet 15k, all others 500 or less)
All mobs can be fully enfeebled (Sleep, Silence, Slow, Para) but standard rules apply for mob types (we saw Skeletons, couldn't Blind them)
I can very easily see a RUN or PLD tank running in and aggroing the group of mobs, with a BRD sleeping them all. 2 DDs kill one by one with proper support. SMN Bloodpacts were doing full damage on single mobs (same rules for BLU applied for SMN when we tried Thunderspark for lulz)
At the end, we found a group of mobs (bats) with a Fetter and a group of untargetable Yagudo. We cleared the bats, then killed the Fetter. Once the Fetter is killed, the Yagudo become targetable. For killing all of the Yagudo, you get 10 Izzat.
In total, we farmed 20 Izzat. We'll try using them tomorrow on boxes, maybe even spawn an NM. After we killed the fetter, a conflux spawned that gave us the opportunity to spawn a monster for 10 Izzat. We were low on time, so we just chose to exit.
Player with Trusts.. First Experience Testimonies:
Went in with trusts. Was able to 1 shot most things with leaden.
Yield: 31 scales and 3 scale boxes (from the chest).
Edit: Chests gave 11, 13 and 16.
More Vital Data Testimonies Discovered:
Random info:
-Killing trash gave izzat and lustreless scales
-Using 10 izzat to pop chest gave 2 scales and a box
-Killing fetter made untargetable yagudo killable, giving 10 izzat killing them all
-Popping NM with 10 izzat from ethereal junction spawned a red morbol that did blood weapon and dropped 2 boxes of scales
-Not sure what items you need to trade to junction to spawn monsters
-Was unable to use the thing at the start after killing fetter/yagudos/morbol, may have to kill all trash? I looked around and missed a pack, timed out before I could kill them all
-Moogle keeps track of trash killed, physis, and chests, and the power of your alter egos while in odyssey (Moogle Mastery)
More Testimonials and Discoveries..
Does anyone know what is needed to clear the RoE for Sheol A?
You need to run (can do on sneak/invi, only trasnparent mobs are true sight/sound) to last floor (A7) using confluxes. On last floor there is Otherworldly Vortex mentioned in RoE quest. You need to touch it (it lets you leave Odyssey too) to complete the quest. Credit for that info goes to Mischief from Bahamut. Here is a video of my first experience with Odyssey:
YouTube Video Placeholder Tried exploring, found more information
- I didn't realize there was a conflux on each floor to move up
- Each floor increases in mob level, capping at 131, and general nastiness of monster family (manticores, giants I remember on last floor)
- Translocators bring you down to previous levels, so the first floor one doesn't work until you find the higher level ones
- One character got stuck on a floor and couldn't move up, nor did they get the RoE objective upon someone else reaching the top
So for soloers, seems like it's best to stick to lower level floor to farm scales, more experienced parties can move up to desired difficulty for more scales. First time in would be best just getting the RoE objective and unlocking translocators.
Initial Video Detailing Climb to 7th floor for easy RoE Completion for Augment Unlock on Gear:
YouTube Video Placeholder
More Info about Moglophone KI's:
Anyways did a solo run this morning and got about 100 scales from just killing trash in first floor. Wondering what others are getting from parting up vs solo.
edit: Also can you hold one Moglophone KI on you, and then have the moogle hold one?
I was wondering this too. I picked up my KI last night and am holding it until later today and going to see if I can run two times in a row.
You can. I used my ki after few hours yesterday and when I checked moogle timer was at 15h, so it was going down while I had KI on me.
More Testimonial Higlights:
Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »Maybe Mischief will post about it, he figured it out on his mule. I'll try and post what i know, but it seems like we skip everything and just kill the fetters, mobs around the fetters, and sometimes the UNM near the fetters. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »and if u get to the final thing upstairs, personal chest for everyone. Not sure if someone said it already, but you CAN store a KI. So only need to farm every 2 days! I am confused on how people move up using sneak and invisible, in this run I explored everything, vortexes just said "you can't use this yet", or let me summon an NM but never move somewhere else, even after i killed the fetter, all the guards, the NM, opened one chest, and killed about 90% of all the mobs. If anybody can spot where in this video I should have been able to "move up" it would really help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i9GhE5nO3I
thanks At the mandies in your run. Just hug left wall and you'll find it. It took me a while to find the first flux as well, but the rest were less "hidden". A video was posted a couple pages ago showing the route.
YouTube Video Placeholder Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »vortexes just said "you can't use this yet" Need to click Shimmering lights for access to some portals or not have aggro iirc. I may be wrong though Bahamut.Lexouritis said: » It rewarded me again with a box + 50k gil.
did u kill a fetter? Seems like 50k per Fetter and 1 box per fetter (per character). The big Box from RoE seems to be just 1 time thing. The smaller boxes seem to be fetter based?
Killing all 4 fetters netted us about ~70 scales per run per person after touching otherworldy vortex.
Edit: With RoE quest being completed in a run, was more like 110-130. So how many scales is it per upgrade? Didn’t see on Bg-wiki and don’t feel like shifting through posts on here. Should be just under 12 stacks to max. Based on scales only being worth 5rp instead of 10 :/ Clip to the top and nab the box, in and out, 5 minute adventure.
For realsies? SE let content like that out after the mass-ban clipping/duping-alex adventures get onto the live server? Thought they learned their lesson since the AMAN trove boxes can't be scouted via Hex IDs. The box he means is the one from completing the RoE once. You can walk to it in 6-7 mins without speed hacks anyway. The big deal about completing the RoE is you can start augmenting your gear at that point. Well if dude already finished a piece few days after update, there isnt much time gate here it seems.
Probably just the appetitizer was released (im on a work trip, cant "enjoy" the new content till weekend...)
He finished because he bought scales or have legion of mules. Regular player with 1 account will need realistically around 10-14 days for one piece farming daily. Traded 5 Emperor arthro shells to vortex (dunno how many it took from inventory, might have only taken 1 of the 5). Summoned Brachys, a crab that had a high ass counter rate and instantly killed me on my thf in one attack round. 500+ damage counters with no DT set. Likely not advisable to spawn mobs solo with trusts. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »Personal box at the end when touching Otherworldy Vortex for each FETTER you kill, for all party members. If u kill all 4 fetters AND EVERYTHING around them it seems you will get 4 boxes.
~edited phrasing
So looks like if you solo, go for trash and farm with th4+ and for group you kill featers and go touch otherwordly.
Unless maybe kill 2 featers solo and go to the top? You could open 2 chests that way and get 2 boxes. So in theory maybe even get 4 chests and some scales from farming. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »
Personal box at the end when touching Otherworldy Vortex for each FETTER you kill, for all party members. If u kill all 4 fetters AND EVERYTHING around them it seems you will get 4 boxes.
~edited phrasing
So looks like if you solo, go for trash and farm with th4+ and for group you kill fetters and go touch otherwordly.
Unless maybe kill 2 fetters solo and go to the top? You could open 2 chests that way and get 2 boxes. So in theory maybe even get 4 chests and some scales from farming.
I'm not sure if you need to just kill the fetters or the fetters + all the semi-invisible beastmen around the fetters.
It's possible to kill a fetter without aggro from the semi invisible beastmen that are sight aggro like Yagudo and Orcs. I'm assuming Quadav will sound aggro which makes them easier to gather in a group.
On the first day, when I duo'd with my cousin on RUN and me on COR with a THF4 set, we killed 1 fetter but stopped killing the semi-invisible beastmen because they were not dropping anything. Not all of the beastmen aggro'd. Only the Yagudo beastmen that were in sight of us or each other aggro'd us. Care needs to be taken by support in this case as support will get aggro'd if they rush in too early before the tank has claim on everything. These mobs hit very hard.
Definitely go in with at least th4 if solo farming just trash mobs.
Go in with a full, balanced party to maximize drops from fetters. The fetters are easy to kill. The beastmen hit hard and have a little more hp than common trash mobs. Helps to sleep them too as they can easily overwhelm even the toughest of tanks. Me and a group of peeps went in yesterday, to do some testing.
Killing a fetter + beastman group rewards 10 izzat, no special drops were seen, we did not have a thief, just a range using bounty shot.
Gonna test farm some nms tonight. i tried to spawn 1 today with my alt using unity items, turns out 1 is not enough. My second run of this is probably the best I can do.
Went in, killed all normal monsters, Feters and Beastmen, killed all of the Yaguado. I had 20 Izzat, spawn a Unity NM Which was a Sporebat type mob that died in a 4 step SC. This NM used Blood WEapon, the NM I tried yesterday used 100 fists and rek'd me.
I got 90 Izzat from Monsters and 22 from the 2 boxes that I got from NM and a chest I used them on. The only thing I didn't do on Floor 1 was spawn the Junction that said "Item can be used to pop something here" I had 3 Sarama Hides, 2 Thuban Things and neither worked, nor did a combination of them work.
All of my drops were done with TH2 from Gear. Few unanswered questions:
How is the augmentation to Trust power in Odyssey earned? I believe the requirement must be more than simply killing sets of trash mobs and making it to the otherworldly at the end.
Rewards upon reaching end were:
360k gil from a group that killed everything on first floor, 2 NM's popped.
100k gil for solo killing 2 groups (4 izzat) worth of scrubs and reaching end.
On another run I also got 100k gil for solo killing more scrubs (4 sets I think. Seems like the NMs from either spawn point will be one of the 119/122 unity NMs with similar mechanics, but not exactly the same as my morbol didn't go through 3 stages and only did blood weapon. May be a good ideal to either focus on repeatedly killing one to raise its kill count for the moogle or killing all of them at least once. Can't wait for Pandemonium Warden v3 in the future lol Yep. Surprised the hell out of us.
But as I said I was getting 100k for just clearing a couple of easy rooms and heading for the exit solo for the RoE.
Thinking about it, we did a bit more than the first floor full clear on that run, did a second fetter and agon mobs and popped another NM at least. spawn a Unity NM Which was a Sporebat type mob
What method did you use to spawn this nm?
So there seems to be 2 spawn methods, Unity Item (I think 5 minimum) or Izzat once you have killed a fetter.
In terms of the invisible mobs I don't know if its a coincidence or not but every time they have aggro'd they go after my GEO and no other character. Dunno if the bubble is causing something funky to happen.
It should be possible, to kill fetters on all floors + escape as low as 3 man, I cleared everything in my run and had about 3 minutes to spare but a lot of it was goofing about looking at chests etc. I'd say 4 man would be the most optimal though as you can't really AOE.
Only flaw would be is that the fetters on floors seem to be placed randomly so you could get screwed over on travel times but imagine if you wanted to eat some taco's and take that risk you could and do it no probs. My second run experience soloing on COR with trusts:
Leaden Salute all the things
Tact/Sam with august, ygnas, monb, star sybill, koru
Killed everything on floor 1 and 4 groups on floor 2
30 izzat but could only find 2 chests to open
both chests only dropped 1 box each so was a little unlucky
TH4
Ended up with 135 scales. Could have been alot higher if I found a third chest and if the chests dropped more than 1 box each.
(I also got a message saying 'moogle magic II' when I killed a regular enemy. Must be to do with the total amount of things killed.) Leviathan.Kingkitt said: »My findings thus far:
As stated multiples times already here, you can sneak/invisible to maneuver around the mobs here. However..
The invisible mobs appear true sight and/or sound, so you have to be cautious of them.
Appears that killing fetters gives personal loot. We all got a box.
You can solo for the RoE if you want following the guidlines above.
Competing RoE gives you 1 large box.
Clear is NOT party wide and each person must touch it individually for credit. (Also recieved 60k gil, we cleared 1 fetter/quadavs, and the mob family near it)
Didn't notice until after fetter and invisible mobs were dead, but one or the other gave 10 izzat.
Have tried a few different unity mats for unm 119/122 and traded 5 to pop a NM. NM that spawned was of the same mob family as items traded. Tonight ill be going in with my COR GEO duo. How do you do the fetters? Kill the surrounding mobs then attack the fetter while trusts keep you alive with invisible beastmen smacking you? Then the beastmen?
Pull and kill regular mobs, until you see opportunity where nothing is close to fetter (there is always a moment when there is max 1 mob close to it at some point). Kill fetter fast (It's easy to kill. One good 2 step SC will kill it), then kill remaining mobs. I wouldn't try to aggro more than few mobs in general when solo or duoboxing, especially if you dont have Malignance set on COR. Something of note to add was that our rng and cor were doing 0 dmg to the fetter from distance and had to move much closer to do any damage. This may relate to how aoe does much reduced damage. Max gil reward is higher than we thought, just got 495k from today's run.
Btw force popping nm's uses a single UNM mat, not 5. And they cannot be reused within the same run. Spawning NM appears to be unrelated to what you use to pop.
So far NM's we faced: Tipuli(fly),Aegupius,harpe(weapon),leucippe and physis (morbol).
Moogle mastery ranks up as you kill stuff, @287 kills, 8x NM and 2 chests we at Mastery III. Max gil reward is higher than we thought, just got 495k from today's run.
Btw force popping nm's uses a single UNM mat, not 5. And they cannot be reused within the same run. Spawning NM appears to be unrelated to what you use to pop.
So far NM's we faced: Tipuli(fly),Aegupius,harpe(weapon),leucippe and physis (morbol).
Moogle mastery ranks up as you kill stuff, @287 kills, 8x NM and 2 chests we at Mastery III.
Do you need to touch the flux on the top floor to get the gil? Or when does the gil actually get distributed to you? Yes, you have to leave personally to get it, and as always if other party members are fighting its locked out. My second run experience soloing on COR with trusts:
Leaden Salute all the things
Tact/Sam with august, ygnas, monb, star sybill, koru
Killed everything on floor 1 and 4 groups on floor 2
30 izzat but could only find 2 chests to open
both chests only dropped 1 box each so was a little unlucky
TH4
Ended up with 135 scales. Could have been alot higher if I found a third chest and if the chests dropped more than 1 box each.
(I also got a message saying 'moogle magic II' when I killed a regular enemy. Must be to do with the total amount of things killed.)
Tonight ill be going in with my COR GEO duo. How do you do the fetters? Kill the surrounding mobs then attack the fetter while trusts keep you alive with invisible beastmen smacking you? Then the beastmen?
Pull/kill regular mobs with ranged attack. Run in to fetter with max 1 or 2 shadows aggro. Kill fetter > kill the rest. Just look out what you aggro. Aggroing BLM mob that stand close to middle will probably result in mass link eventually. Regular mobs dont link at all, but transparent mobs (before and after killing fetter) do. Each flux takes you to a higher floor. There are 7 floors with the 7th floors flux being the exit and the RoE objective. Each flux takes you to a higher floor. There are 7 floors with the 7th floors flux being the exit and the RoE objective. Not sure if it was mentioned, but looks like you can't pop the same NM twice from UNM mats in the same run. Popped once on first floor, and later on the 4th floor it gave a message saying we couldn't pop the same NM again. Sharing Shamgi's notes posted in the BST forum for relevant details:
Ok, just went into an Odyssey and discovered some things:
1. You can charm things in there. Things seemed to be fairly simple to charm, and Charm+ gear meant that my dhalmel stayed charmed 15+ minutes.
2.Charmed pets seem to be quite strong. Beyond the normal HP, they seemed to have fairly high damage, hitting other mobs in their own pack for 4-600 a swing, with crits as high as 900. My Dhalmel once used Berserk and those numbers got pretty big, same with their Sound Wave move. My record was a crit for 1500 or so. This is with NQ food and no other pet related buffs. I had one crawler end up at 74% when it killed another crawler in the pack, likely benefiting from all the DA and Haste.
3. Pets seem quite effective at killing the Halos. They hit hard already, but notably, they aggro nothing, not even the Beastmen around the Halos when doing so. The Halo produces a damaging AOE every couple of seconds that was hitting for 200 or so, but the pet, with it's 40k+ HP, doesn't care at all. Indeed, I left the pet to it's own devices and killed other packs with trusts while it worked the halo down itself, which actually seemed quite nice. When it died, the Orcs around it didn't aggro, so it was easy to pull them one by one, as they don't link either.
4. Mob spawns are random, which can hurt this strat, but from two runs a majority of the packs seem charmable, and many of them are often pretty powerful. Given the strat above, I feel like a monk style pet would be best here.
Overall, I'm super interested in trying this with a full group where you can use the pet to deal with adds while you work on a pack yourself and to safely kill Halos while you clear other things.
One issue was Sic, the recast was way worse than I remembered, and my lua isn't set up at all to deal with it. My best guess is to just set up my gearswap to always produce a physical damage set for Sic and then just use pets who focus physical damage with their TP moves. If it's a buff move, then no big deal, if it's physical then it's the right set. They do link, my experience has been all sight linking though (fought orcs and yags so far). Do not link with the Fetter though, found this out by trying to range attack the fetter down, only to realize the fetter is immune to auto-range attacks. They do link, my experience has been all sight linking though (fought orcs and yags so far).
Well its kinda expected. Orc, Yagudo and Goblins are all sight aggro/link. Quadavs are sound aggro/link and it's how they are in Odyssey too. They arent immune to ranged attacks you just need to be stood in the fetter to do damage.
So not immune to ranged attacks, but immune to any attacks from a range. XD As with all farming things it's more efficient to solo, if the kill speed is high, like 119 content. 6 solos have 6x more chances for boxes.
Luck's definitely a factor; and yeah I think solo probably is best.
I think a lot of it has to do with people finding each other, people needing to sneak/invis themselves, and having to stagger the flux (so it doesn't glitch out). Was a lot of wasted time there.
Was just curious if other groups were experiencing it as well. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them. As group you are suppose to kill Fetter at floor 1,3,5 and 7 and run to otherworldy vortex at the end. You should get 4 PERSONAL box from otherworldy that way and I think one more personal box from killing beastman kings at floor 7 (they are around Fetter there).
So thats 5 personal chests
At least 40 Izzat to open chests
Probably at least 40 single scales from killing trash around fetters if you take at least TH4 with you.
Small boxes are on avg around 13 scales?
So probably around 70-80 scales at least per person, maybe more if you have time to farm more.
Very good geared solo player on specific job like COR, can get more with luck, but it might be other bonuses from killing fetters and NMs that we might dont know about. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them.
No, you need to kill Fetter AND beastman mobs around it to get credit for personal box at the end and 10 Izzat. I assume you killed only Fetters. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »THF can pick the locks/chests in odyssey, in case no one mentioned, or knows about it yet. However some times mimic will pop out. Unsure how hard they are, as it opens with deathtrap, and his mule has sparks gear (and it got one shot). Credit goes to mischief
"Either gave a 'however it has no effect' message and consumed the tool, opened the chest, or a mimic popped out" I made a quick map of Odyssey to make ease to hit the fluxes.
Etheral Junctions, Fetters and camps change apparently random.
EDIT: all maps have North heading the upper border.
Aegypius NM:
Bird
Popped using 5 Abyssdiver feathers
Uses Broadside Barrage and Damnation Dive
Uses Perfect Dodge at low HP and gains an Encumbrance aura that stays for the rest of the fight Carbuncle.Papesse said: »Beware of the Treant NM Ptelea and its dangerous Leafstorm AoE. Leafstorm is hybrid wind based. It can crit, miss, be absorbed by shadows and Elemental Sforzo. One For All, Gelus Valiance and Baraero substantially reduce damage. As far as getting these telepoints, mentioned on BGwiki's Odyssey page that you're supposed to be able to travel between to get to further levels of Odyssey, does anyone have any info on the requirements to gain access to these? Do you have to kill all of the fetters to go up a floor? Also, has anyone tried going in with a group of six and then disbanding and everyone using their own trusts to expediate the process of both killing enemies on every floor, taking care of all the fetters on a floor and then popping the nm's so that you might progress to these tele-points if those happened to be the requirements? I know some players might have found that they can farm higher amounts of the Lustreless Scales solo rather than teaming up but if you go in with 6 and then make you're own parties with trusts.. and there are multiple telepoints with up to say 15 sets of mobs and fetters then the possibility of having a high return still might be worth it. Another thing i noticed maybe means nothing but i saw some pixels floating out of nowhere that seemed like a mobs name. Maybe a glitch? Or the others maps? Or a random mob?
 I'm sure people regularly killing fluxes/beastmen already knew this, but AoEs that would have hit the untargettable/invisible beastmen will still generate enmity on them, so people should watch for that if they're sleepgaing or horde lullabying fodder. We spawned an NM in today's run.
Brachys: Crab NM (PLD/MNK)
Had a pretty decent (25-30%) Counter rate. Bubble Curtain's Shell effect reduced enspell (RDM with Crocea Mors) dmg to 0 unless it was dispelled. Used Invincible at 25%. Easily landed enfeebles (Slow, Para, Blind, Frazzle, Distract) Pretty easy fight overall.
It was spawned using 10 Izzat after we killed Fetter + Beastmen mobs surrounding it. Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »I have Moogle Mastery III, not sure what's doing it. Status report has:
Nostos killed: 306
Damysus: 2
Salmandra: 2
Cynara: 1
Chests: 3
Seems I ranked up when I killed an Agon Bruiser. The augment system is “tiered”. I’m working on my alts Emeici +1.
Ranks 1-5 give +2 damage. Ranks 6-10 give +2 damage, +3 acc/macc. I assume ranks 11-15 give +2 damage, +3 acc/macc, +2 crit rate.
That’s a neat way to do it, it incentivizes the more expensive ranks. Just had a bad solo experience... turns our not all popped NM's are soloable. Do not recommend popping the nm's for 10 izzat.
Got a cactus who would constantly triple attack and did 600 normal / 1200 crit per attack round. August got insta-KO then healer then myself within 7 seconds. YouTube Video Placeholder
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